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It doesn't have ere we go since I think it was printed before that was a rule.

Anvildude wrote:
Very nice.


You know, I'm surprised that more Orks don't go with Unbound armies- I mean, yeah, Objectve Secured is handy, but aren't there people out there that want to build completely fluffy lists? Or just try stuff that's silly, like an entire army made up of Lootas or Burnaboyz?

When the rules for Unbound came out shortly before the 7th Ed Ork Codex I knew the exactly list I wanted to run:

A mob of 10 BikerNobz including Painboy on Bike (those were the days) and ten BikerBosses.

The unit would start out at Majority T6 and as long as you lost Nobz first, would stay that way all game. Then 7th Ork Codex came out along with an unimaginable hatred by the majority of the gaming community for unbound lists.

Until my weekly league required bound lists, I only ran unbound Biker lists with Lootas in BW's.

I still don't understand the unbound hate but now only play bound lists since that's what's required.

 PipeAlley wrote:

Anvildude wrote:
Very nice.


You know, I'm surprised that more Orks don't go with Unbound armies- I mean, yeah, Objectve Secured is handy, but aren't there people out there that want to build completely fluffy lists? Or just try stuff that's silly, like an entire army made up of Lootas or Burnaboyz?

When the rules for Unbound came out shortly before the 7th Ed Ork Codex I knew the exactly list I wanted to run:

A mob of 10 BikerNobz including Painboy on Bike (those were the days) and ten BikerBosses.

The unit would start out at Majority T6 and as long as you lost Nobz first, would stay that way all game. Then 7th Ork Codex came out along with an unimaginable hatred by the majority of the gaming community for unbound lists.

Until my weekly league required bound lists, I only ran unbound Biker lists with Lootas in BW's.

I still don't understand the unbound hate but now only play bound lists since that's what's required.

I too love the Nob bikers...

as for the unbound... i really don't want to deal with 46 individual necron wraiths... even in a KP mission that would suck to deal with

I wouldn't mind unbound so long as you know I had some warning.

What's the best loadout for Big Meks? I have:

Big Mek with 'eavy armour and Shokk Attack Gun (Big mek Lotzaboltz)

Big Mek with 'eavy armour and Kustom Force Field (Big mek Drillzeye)

Depends on what you want them to do. All my Big Mek has is a KFF and I usually run him with a squad of shootas, or even with my lootas to give them a chance to pass mob rule checks. In general, I don't want him getting into combat. His best gear only works at range, so keep him with the ranged boyz. The shokk attack gun is a decent way to make shooty units more killy, and the KFF is a good way to make them more durable. I generally go for the KFF since I'm more reliable.

When I run Lootas, I have a MA, DLS Big Mek to tank for them and give them Relentless (but no Overwatch, so keep them on back objectives).

 Vitali Advenil wrote:
Depends on what you want them to do. All my Big Mek has is a KFF and I usually run him with a squad of shootas, or even with my lootas to give them a chance to pass mob rule checks. In general, I don't want him getting into combat. His best gear only works at range, so keep him with the ranged boyz. The shokk attack gun is a decent way to make shooty units more killy, and the KFF is a good way to make them more durable. I generally go for the KFF since I'm more reliable.

Thanks!

I now have another question.

I have a Squig-Boss, and am currently scratch-building a warbike (more like a jetbike) and want to know if I can take both a squig and a warbike for the same boss.

I don't think there's anything that says you can't.

I think you can. I use big meks for either repairing, shokk attack guns, or giving out KFFs.

I didn't have any success with SAG at all, sadly. And i've run a list with 3 of them a couple of times vs casual opponents.

Oddly enough 5/8 times when I have used them I have gotten double 6s. I almost always get the teleport into combat too but they have only won said combat once against tau. Normally I just target termies or some sort of infantry if I can but I try to position it near vehicles or a MC if I can.

I think i've got 1-1 like 5 times and 6-6 1 time on the whole. Including 5-th ed.

The first and only time I fired a Shokk Attack Gun it was in a 400 point fun tourney at my local club, I was put up against a list which was a Nurgle Lord, some Plaguemarines and a Rhino. I rolled double 6's and tabled my opponent with the first shot of the game.

Really not fun for the Ork player when you get the 2,2-Oops! result though. Str4 large blast to the face! Sigh.

Just want to add to the discussion, I built a new ork list for 1500 games and so far I am 5-0 with it in maelstrom. I am dreading the day when I lose though =(

Big Mek w/ Shokk Attack Gun (put with Lootas)
Warboss w/ Lucky stikk + Mega Armor + Attack Squig - stick him with MANZ

5 MANz w/ 2-3 burnas. Stick em in a battlwagon with the warboss + boarding plank + dangerous terrain reroll
5-10 tankbustas w/ 1 tank hammer (depending on how you allocate points) - in a trukk + boarding plank + dangerous terrain reroll

2 squads of 24 boys w/ nobs, bosspole, powerclaws. Give them all 4+

6 Warbikes no nob (i know i know) but i've just been using them for shooty harass/objectives/3+/2+ jink depending on where they are.

12 Lootas w/ big mek w/ shokk attack (might have to try KFF in the future).

So far variations of this list have been working excellent, usually end up calling WAGGHH! turn 2 and smash into enemy faces. If you don't have turn 1 make sure to deploy your ass in cover.

The manz will literally murderize anything they come into combat with, most squads if they aren't assault focused only have 1 or 2 AP2 weapons the unit so just choose your fights carefully and use the tanky AV14 battle wagon to get them there. +1 ws +1 str on the charge = instagib everything but the toughest opponents and the lucky stikk makes for some hilarious krumpin'

Looking at adding 1-3 Traktor Kannons for dealing with pain in the ass stormravens/stormwing.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
What's the best loadout for Big Meks? I have:

Big Mek with 'eavy armour and Shokk Attack Gun (Big mek Lotzaboltz)

Big Mek with 'eavy armour and Kustom Force Field (Big mek Drillzeye)

I have a BM on foot with a Burna, MA BM with twin Killsaws, and a BikerBM with single Killsaw. All three have KFF's and usually run them as my warlord with DLS. My second HQ is either Mad Doc or Pain Boy on Bike.

Hi folks,

Warseer has been down a while and the climate on The Waaagh forum is fairly dismal and these days. I stumbled here after chasing the new Daemon rumours and have been reading through this thread. I have an upcoming game vs a Chaos Warhound titan and I'll be sans my Stompa so I was after some pointers on what to do.

Just wanted to extend a thanks to everyone who contributed. It's a positive thread with lots of great tidbits.

Much thanks!!!!

popisdead wrote:
I have an upcoming game vs a Chaos Warhound titan and I'll be sans my Stompa so I was after some pointers on what to do.

MSU. If you can get a tarpit on a Warhound, it is primarily neutralized.

tag8833 wrote:

popisdead wrote:
I have an upcoming game vs a Chaos Warhound titan and I'll be sans my Stompa so I was after some pointers on what to do.

MSU. If you can get a tarpit on a Warhound, it is primarily neutralized.

That and loads of tankbustas. Shoot and charge into close combat with your meltabombs.

Why do so many use Zhadsnark Da Rippa? Is a Bikerboss a good substitute for him?

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Why do so many use Zhadsnark Da Rippa? Is a Bikerboss a good substitute for him?

Three reasons mainy.

1) Skilled Rider. Having your BikerStar not have to worry about terrain and potentially get 2+ Jink saves is huge.
2) AP2 at Iniative is amazing, particulary when it's S10.
3) Objective Secured on Warbikers - this is the primary reason to take him - the amount of mobility you gain from Warbikers as Troops makes them potentially the best troops choice in the Ork army.

A Bikerboss can give your star Fearless, but I would much prefer the advantages Zhadsnark provides first

 Frozocrone wrote:

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
Why do so many use Zhadsnark Da Rippa? Is a Bikerboss a good substitute for him?

Three reasons mainy.

1) Skilled Rider. Having your BikerStar not have to worry about terrain and potentially get 2+ Jink saves is huge.
2) AP2 at Iniative is amazing, particulary when it's S10.
3) Objective Secured on Warbikers - this is the primary reason to take him - the amount of mobility you gain from Warbikers as Troops makes them potentially the best troops choice in the Ork army.

A Bikerboss can give your star Fearless, but I would much prefer the advantages Zhadsnark provides first

Wow! A bikerboss is nothing compared to him!

I fielded my Battle wagon with Lifta-droppa for the first time yesterday. Now there is a huge difference between the rules in IA:8 and the Dreadmob list. The first auto-hits, the second only hits on a BS2. Furthermore the IA:8 rules do twice as much damage (d6 instead of d3) to the lifta'ed model and on top of that damage to the model into which it is flung. Now the IA:8 rules are insanely good, the Dreadmob rules are very bad.

Which ruleset did you use and how did you use the lifta-droppa?

So I got something cool you Orkies might like, I got the top placing Ork list from the ITC in my list data base.

It's actually pretty cool and while I'm not super familiar with Orks it does look like it has some different stuff in it than usual. They're running the Bikes for sure, and the cheap Stompa, but how common are Lootas and Copters?

 Tinkrr wrote:
...but how common are Lootas and Copters?

Lootas in units of 5...not sure about that, would be interesting to see if they managed to kill anything.

The single Deff Koptas are great in maelstrom, just keep them back and grab a free point each before dying. Or they can eat overwatch.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 Tinkrr wrote:
...but how common are Lootas and Copters?

Lootas in units of 5...not sure about that, would be interesting to see if they managed to kill anything.

The single Deff Koptas are great in maelstrom, just keep them back and grab a free point each before dying. Or they can eat overwatch.

I always felt like Lootas could put out crazy fire power, but they're also fragile and slow, so never knew how to feel.

How about the Tankbustas? They're in the CAD and I don't know if they're seen that often, though I've seen them before.

Lootas aren't supposed to move and are kept in deep protection due to their 48" range. I'm still on the fence about tankbustas. They're perfect for anti-meq at range, and since they all have S8 rockets they can do work against anything with armor 12 or less, while 13 is pushing it, and I wouldn't even bother against 14. Issue is, they're going to be a huge target, and unlike lootas, they don't have the range to stay deep in the pocket, but like lootas, they're extremely squishy. If I did take them, I'd have them target tough, scary units, and leave the tankhunting to my meganobz. The great part about tankbustas though is that they can do both anti-meq and anti-vehicle, while meganobz are much better at the latter than the former. I'm definitely going to look into getting some in the future, probably dropping them in a BW armed to the teeth with rockets.

 Tinkrr wrote:
So I got something cool you Orkies might like, I got the top placing Ork list from the ITC in my list data base.

It's actually pretty cool and while I'm not super familiar with Orks it does look like it has some different stuff in it than usual. They're running the Bikes for sure, and the cheap Stompa, but how common are Lootas and Copters?

Deff Koptas are the best unit in the Ork Codex, and super common in Ork Tourney lists. They win games like crazy. Lootas are ok but have some problems. They go super well with a Void Shield Generator. No Cheap stompa in the top Ork player's list. He did a video with Blue Table Painting showing off his army:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PaghCY_1u0

I was hoping it would be a bit more unique. The only unique thing about it is that he is walking his tankbustas. Otherwise it is bikestar + Trukk Boyz.

He told me that the meta was somewhat unprepared for the type of list he was running, and they tended to put most of their shots into his bikestar. Congrats to Rich for doing so well.

tag8833 wrote:

 Tinkrr wrote:
So I got something cool you Orkies might like, I got the top placing Ork list from the ITC in my list data base.

It's actually pretty cool and while I'm not super familiar with Orks it does look like it has some different stuff in it than usual. They're running the Bikes for sure, and the cheap Stompa, but how common are Lootas and Copters?

Deff Koptas are the best unit in the Ork Codex, and super common in Ork Tourney lists. They win games like crazy. Lootas are ok but have some problems. They go super well with a Void Shield Generator. No Cheap stompa in the top Ork player's list. He did a video with Blue Table Painting showing off his army:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PaghCY_1u0

I was hoping it would be a bit more unique. The only unique thing about it is that he is walking his tankbustas. Otherwise it is bikestar + Trukk Boyz.

He told me that the meta was somewhat unprepared for the type of list he was running, and they tended to put most of their shots into his bikestar. Congrats to Rich for doing so well.

Ah, ok, I think I read "Stompabout" as a stompa. That makes a lot more sense now as he has a bike.

I have to say that was a treat to watch, the army is very pretty and the banter is a lot of fun. One thing I want to do, is once I can consistently get lists from ITC events, is to include this kind of stuff as links in the files. They're just awesome and I'm happy I got to see this because of what I'm doing. Thanks.