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2015/06/02 20:35:00
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
DaveC wrote: KS old rules explicitly prohibited offering discounts on future products however the new rules are a lot more vague in the wording it depends how you define coupon. At any rate the KS has been a staff pick and lasted this long without issue so KS most likely don't have an issue with it.
As regards the prize draw it should be OK as well the rule is more geared towards KS that are just for a raffle or prize draw that's not allowed this is just incidental to the overall purpose of the KS.
"Contests, coupons, gambling, and raffles" falls quite squarely into "heavily regulated," and it is smart for KS to avoid the potential liability.
I would bet my boots that this prohibition is absolutely not limited to 'entire' projects geared towards that type of 'reward'. And as this..errrmmmm...contest...is a new thing on the MEdgeKS page, I don't think the campaign's history of non-censure has any relevance to its permissibility.
It is something SAS should consider, as opposed to handwave away or make assumptions about. This kind of contest could easily be done on Facebook, for example, where there is no cost of 'entry', rather than on Kickstarter, where it could be potentially problematic.
If SAS got approval from KS, rock on, but if it was a spur of the moment decision, it bears further careful consideration.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
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2015/06/02 20:45:11
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Sinful Hero wrote: Is anyone else in that odd position of where you really like the idea of the game, you want to support the game, but nothing about the miniatures really inspires you?
I just don't know- I really like dakka, and I like helping out dakka, but I'm just not a fan of the game. I don't really know how to express what I don't like about it.
Subscribe for the rules alone. You don't have to buy the figures.
It's a little more complicated for me than that. None of the current models really pull me in, and the next faction is at least 1-2 years off correct? I mean, why would I buy the rules for a game that I'm not sure I'd ever play?
The models don't look bad, but I just can't build an attachment to them. Or at least enough to commit to a pledge.
I feel like I should like this game more than I do. It's a "dakka game", HIPS, science fiction, robots, aliens, guns, long-term support, fleshed-out universe, and all that good stuff I like, but I just can't put a finger on what doesn't engage me.
Sinful Hero wrote: Is anyone else in that odd position of where you really like the idea of the game, you want to support the game, but nothing about the miniatures really inspires you?
I just don't know- I really like dakka, and I like helping out dakka, but I'm just not a fan of the game. I don't really know how to express what I don't like about it.
It seems to be the case with a fair number of people, pretty much like any game. I think what it comes down to (for a certain degree) is that you're only looking at two (human) factions right now. Were 40k only Space Marines versus Chaos Space Marines, there would probably be many less people playing it.
What I'm getting at is perhaps a new faction will come along that you find better fits your tastes in the future. I wouldn't feel obligated to get the KS if you don't like it, just keep an open mind (as I'm sure you do with most games tbh) and maybe offer this to other people who are looking for something that MEdge offers.
I have to say the criticism of the minis, and especially the Epirians, seems to be a lot more prevalent and in-depth than it is for "any game". I think dismissing it would be foolish.
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2015/06/02 22:00:14
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Accolade wrote: Were 40k only Space Marines versus Chaos Space Marines, there would probably be many less people playing it.
Not the best analogy considering the popularity of Forgeworlds 30k line!
If I could get into 30k, I'd love it more than 40k by a longshot. I just stare at the monitor and dream about it though.
Hmm, fair enough. I do remember the old Horus Heresy box sets from way back. Well, scratch that! My point was more just about not investing if things don't strike you, and maybe in the future something would.
Sinful Hero wrote: Is anyone else in that odd position of where you really like the idea of the game, you want to support the game, but nothing about the miniatures really inspires you?
I just don't know- I really like dakka, and I like helping out dakka, but I'm just not a fan of the game. I don't really know how to express what I don't like about it.
It seems to be the case with a fair number of people, pretty much like any game. I think what it comes down to (for a certain degree) is that you're only looking at two (human) factions right now. Were 40k only Space Marines versus Chaos Space Marines, there would probably be many less people playing it.
What I'm getting at is perhaps a new faction will come along that you find better fits your tastes in the future. I wouldn't feel obligated to get the KS if you don't like it, just keep an open mind (as I'm sure you do with most games tbh) and maybe offer this to other people who are looking for something that MEdge offers.
I have to say the criticism of the minis, and especially the Epirians, seems to be a lot more prevalent and in-depth than it is for "any game". I think dismissing it would be foolish.
I never dismissed criticisms for Epicarians, although I don't know how you quantify their complaints as greater than "any game." I was merely telling SinfulHero to just keep an eye out since he would like to do something supportive but doesn't feel enamored by the current kits. Or do we have to go into "man, Epicarians sucks" again?
2015/06/02 22:19:53
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Hmm, fair enough. I do remember the old Horus Heresy box sets from way back. Well, scratch that! My point was more just about not investing if things don't strike you, and maybe in the future something would.
Nah, I got your point. Space Marines V Imperial Guard would have been a better analogy perhaps?
2015/06/02 22:53:21
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Hmm, fair enough. I do remember the old Horus Heresy box sets from way back. Well, scratch that! My point was more just about not investing if things don't strike you, and maybe in the future something would.
Nah, I got your point. Space Marines V Imperial Guard would have been a better analogy perhaps?
Yeah that works well, especially if it was Cadians (not FW ones obviously)
EDIT: holy moly, I realized tomorrow is the deadline! I pledged near the beginning, and since this KS has been longer than most I just kind of lost track of time- I knew it was close to the end but the fact that it is sitting at 24 hours made me think "I better make sure I got everything out in right!"
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2015/06/03 00:07:49
Subject: Re:Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
We are soooooo close to getting those bases.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
And there it is indeed.
Bases for everyone!
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2015/06/03 01:15:39
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
So I went out bought some overly priced high-end picture frames.
Lego/SAS. Did you guys do any other picture frame dioramas? Aside from the trade with RiTides, that was really what got me to back.
I'm currently trying to figure out how to do a greenish blue swamp with water effects just for those Karists. I am thinking purple lighting would make a nice contrast to dark greens and browns but, I am unsure. I am not sure if that will work though, so time to consult the trusty color wheel.
Anyways. Do you have any other pictures of the red and yellow Karists? (Sorry for being a pest, just curious.)
After deciding that I was not going to do ANY kickstarters this year I seem to have been broken by this project. Expect $90 from me soonish. I don't care much for the Karists but I love the Eprians.
PS. My limited shelf space hates you and your game, I however quite like the look of the miniatures ( and am keen to see how the rules work).
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2015/06/03 05:35:53
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Sinful Hero wrote: Is anyone else in that odd position of where you really like the idea of the game, you want to support the game, but nothing about the miniatures really inspires you?
I just don't know- I really like dakka, and I like helping out dakka, but I'm just not a fan of the game. I don't really know how to express what I don't like about it.
Subscribe for the rules alone. You don't have to buy the figures.
It's a little more complicated for me than that. None of the current models really pull me in, and the next faction is at least 1-2 years off correct? I mean, why would I buy the rules for a game that I'm not sure I'd ever play?
The models don't look bad, but I just can't build an attachment to them. Or at least enough to commit to a pledge.
I feel like I should like this game more than I do. It's a "dakka game", HIPS, science fiction, robots, aliens, guns, long-term support, fleshed-out universe, and all that good stuff I like, but I just can't put a finger on what doesn't engage me.
Thanks for all the replies guys, I appreciate it.
Hm. Care to elaborate? Not evena single model appeals to you? For instance, I hate the Corporation footsloggers except for the single dude with the half visor, as that reminds me of a certain character from the original FMA. They're not worth owning in my book. I like the drones but, not enough to want them. The hunter? It's my favorite model so far besides the larger Karists that made me back. The angel? I like the nostalgic feel it gives off but, I will probably trade most mine. Scarecrows are freaking sweet and I hope to see the drone handler soon, his concept is pretty ace.
Moving on to the Karists as a whole, I love all of them. I don't really like the smaller troops but, the bigger ones with the larger shoulder-pads just hit all the right places for me. The minnows... I don't know really, same if not worst than the drones. I would love to play against them or see them in person but, not enough to display or field myself.
That being said, if you want to support it you could go in for a pledge, and trade out the dudes you don't like. I feel like by doing that I got my monies worth and got to support Dakka's game. I would play the game but, no one in my area is even interested.
However, as I said earlier it is a good way for me to christen the new display cabinet.
Bullockist wrote: After deciding that I was not going to do ANY kickstarters this year I seem to have been broken by this project. Expect $90 from me soonish. I don't care much for the Karists but I love the Eprians.
PS. My limited shelf space hates you and your game, I however quite like the look of the miniatures ( and am keen to see how the rules work).
Welcome to the dark side, we have cookies... I honestly thought I would never use KS though I was familiar with it. I am now in for Titanforge Marines, MEdge and Modcube.
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Maelstorm's Edge
Legoburner, one of the owners at Dakka Dakka and a friend of mine, reached out to me about his kickstarter Maelstrom’s Edge. Dakka Dakkka is one of the largest and liveliest homes of miniature gaming in the world. Their members are always on the pulse of the hobby and there’s always spirited discussion of the latest in miniature gaming, including our own kickstarter campaign and releases. I’m grateful for their enormous part in keeping the hobby active.
I decided the best thing I can do is reach out to you guys with my own personal and honest take on their project as a miniatures enthusiast and hobbyist.
Maelstroms Edge to me, feels very “old school”. It’s artwork is more rooted in classic Sci-fi and the miniatures are designed for ease of assembly and their appearance as a unit. Looking at the project as a whole, made me realize there is something very interesting lurking under it’s hood.
The core of Maelstroms Edge is the reason I am writing this. It’s a core any tabletop miniature gamer knows very well. To me, it seems Spiral Arm Studio has set out to “master” this core. They are in a very unique position with the experience of running a community that has deliberated and explored this subject more then anyone else. One could easily argue, that they are the ideal choice, the best pit crew, to take apart something they love and rebuild it with a perspective that no one else can possibly have.
That is what interests me and that is why I am pledging my support to their project. Without spoilers, I want to feel and play what they have built and what I suspect will be tuned and mastered version of a very old school core that I do indeed love too!
Maelstrom's Edge Kickstarter Campaign
Thank you!
(Actual KD news soon!)
but no twilight knight crossover mini..... boo
2015/06/03 07:11:09
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Maelstorm's Edge
Legoburner, one of the owners at Dakka Dakka and a friend of mine, reached out to me about his kickstarter Maelstrom’s Edge. Dakka Dakkka is one of the largest and liveliest homes of miniature gaming in the world. Their members are always on the pulse of the hobby and there’s always spirited discussion of the latest in miniature gaming, including our own kickstarter campaign and releases. I’m grateful for their enormous part in keeping the hobby active.
I decided the best thing I can do is reach out to you guys with my own personal and honest take on their project as a miniatures enthusiast and hobbyist.
Maelstroms Edge to me, feels very “old school”. It’s artwork is more rooted in classic Sci-fi and the miniatures are designed for ease of assembly and their appearance as a unit. Looking at the project as a whole, made me realize there is something very interesting lurking under it’s hood.
The core of Maelstroms Edge is the reason I am writing this. It’s a core any tabletop miniature gamer knows very well. To me, it seems Spiral Arm Studio has set out to “master” this core. They are in a very unique position with the experience of running a community that has deliberated and explored this subject more then anyone else. One could easily argue, that they are the ideal choice, the best pit crew, to take apart something they love and rebuild it with a perspective that no one else can possibly have.
That is what interests me and that is why I am pledging my support to their project. Without spoilers, I want to feel and play what they have built and what I suspect will be tuned and mastered version of a very old school core that I do indeed love too!
So it looks like we're heading for a 70k finish. Respectable, but I do wonder if it's enough to even cover the costs of getting the miniatures and game supplies into production and the costs for the miniatures that have already been produced. Near as I can figure there's at least 8 different kinds plastic sprues that have to be produced and when it comes to hard plastic, 70k doesn't go a far as many folks would like.
Not trying to be a downer, I hope the game and it's creators do well, just wondering out loud about this.
Necro wrote:Audio books unlocked. I'm a very happy customer now.
Great work guys. Congratulations to all the backers as well.
May even get the bases too....
We already did get the bases!
Eilif wrote:So it looks like we're heading for a 70k finish. Respectable, but I do wonder if it's enough to even cover the costs of getting the miniatures and game supplies into production and the costs for the miniatures that have already been produced. Near as I can figure there's at least 8 different kinds plastic sprues that have to be produced and when it comes to hard plastic, 70k doesn't go a far as many folks would like.
Not trying to be a downer, I hope the game and it's creators do well, just wondering out loud about this.
Lego said this project would have been complete even if they hadn't don't the KS (indeed, it was started before KS was a thing). As such, the project would have went forward even if only for the minimum $20k. That being said, I'm sure the KS has given them a lot of information on how to make the product even better as time goes on. And as responsive as they've been during the KS, I imagine that the info will get put to good use.
I believe you just pledge the $12 and don't assign it to anything- once the KS is over, they said they would put out a survey to see how people wanted to sort those funds (the terrain being the main add-on). I have a main pledge plus the extra $12 unassigned (I.e. $102 total), and I believe it works the same with just the $12 pledge.
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2015/06/03 12:07:21
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
Eilif wrote: So it looks like we're heading for a 70k finish. Respectable, but I do wonder if it's enough to even cover the costs of getting the miniatures and game supplies into production and the costs for the miniatures that have already been produced. Near as I can figure there's at least 8 different kinds plastic sprues that have to be produced and when it comes to hard plastic, 70k doesn't go a far as many folks would like.
Not trying to be a downer, I hope the game and it's creators do well, just wondering out loud about this.
I believe they have said that the Kickstarter will help them with determining how fast they should proceed beyond the initial project, not whether or not they will go to production at all.
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2015/06/03 12:18:49
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
angelofvengeance wrote: Have they said you can have more than 1 terrain sprue? Or is there not enough for that?
Yup you can add as many as you want by just adding $12 to your pledge for each one. If you dont want anything except the terrain, you need to pick the '$1' pledge level so that we can contact your afterwards though.
Sorry for the lack of presence in this thread today and the pile of unanswered questions - a lot of last minute chasing all over the place to do!
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2015/06/03 12:31:07
Subject: Dakka's Game - Maelstrom's Edge - Live on Kickstarter - update: Win free, printed books: p77
angelofvengeance wrote: Have they said you can have more than 1 terrain sprue? Or is there not enough for that?
Yup you can add as many as you want by just adding $12 to your pledge for each one. If you dont want anything except the terrain, you need to pick the '$1' pledge level so that we can contact your afterwards though.
Sorry for the lack of presence in this thread today and the pile of unanswered questions - a lot of last minute chasing all over the place to do!
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