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2015/04/15 01:37:46
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Blacksails wrote: No, I'm ready for the people who are going to defend it and claim its fair and balanced and that we just have to adapt and play better.
"Just play Maelstrom, bro!"
2015/04/15 01:39:32
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Blacksails wrote: No, I'm ready for the people who are going to defend it and claim its fair and balanced and that we just have to adapt and play better.
"Just play Maelstrom, bro!"
But then, aren't Eldar also in a damn good place with Maelstrom, considering how fast and manoeuvrable they are? So it's not even like that's a weak link for them.
2015/04/15 01:42:32
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
I totally get that the enjoyment of this game will be dependent on your opponents and how well you can come to a compromise in power levels and mission types. That said, this does nothing to help a game that already has dramatic differences in power level with lists that actually make an attempt to cover all the bases or at least most of them.
I probably just need to learn to play though, or adapt, or buy an AdLance formation.
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2015/04/15 01:42:50
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Blacksails wrote: No, I'm ready for the people who are going to defend it and claim its fair and balanced and that we just have to adapt and play better.
"Just play Maelstrom, bro!"
But then, aren't Eldar also in a damn good place with Maelstrom, considering how fast and manoeuvrable they are? So it's not even like that's a weak link for them.
You're not good at sarcasm are you?
Are you Sheldon?
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Blacksails wrote: No, I'm ready for the people who are going to defend it and claim its fair and balanced and that we just have to adapt and play better.
"Just play Maelstrom, bro!"
But then, aren't Eldar also in a damn good place with Maelstrom, considering how fast and manoeuvrable they are? So it's not even like that's a weak link for them.
You're not good at sarcasm are you?
Are you Sheldon?
Oh no I got it (I was going to put a note at the end saying 'I do know you were joking btw...') it's just ridiculous because that isn't even a weakness that they have, it's like they can do everything pretty damn well. I'm just a little increndulous that they've made possibly the best faction in the game better, is all.
2015/04/15 01:49:10
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
They're only T4, and they only have a single wound. Just, like, bring enough firepower and, you know, out play them. Don't forget to try and grab those objectives before those 60 bikes get there first.
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2015/04/15 01:50:24
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Clearly you guys are anti-social neckbeards who can't negotiate houserules and restrictions with your opponents. After all, you shouldn't expect quality when you pay upwards of a $100 on rules alone.
Sometimes I wonder why people even bother playing 40k competitively. Is it just an exercise in outcheesing your opponents or a legacy of GW treating 40k like an actual game instead of a narrative forger?
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2015/04/15 04:46:22
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
TheCustomLime wrote: Clearly you guys are anti-social neckbeards who can't negotiate houserules and restrictions with your opponents. After all, you shouldn't expect quality when you pay upwards of a $100 on rules alone.
Sometimes I wonder why people even bother playing 40k competitively. Is it just an exercise in outcheesing your opponents or a legacy of GW treating 40k like an actual game instead of a narrative forger?
At least with playing competitively you and the other player are being honest with each other. These insanely abusable units coming out with Necrons and Eldar test the honesty of people. Is the guy you're up against playing with greater-than-typical jetbikes because it fits his army's "fluff" or because they deep-down he wants that slight edge...or at least, from his perspective, make the game more "fair" against your cheaty army.
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2015/04/15 04:57:51
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Poly Ranger wrote: Take out the new necron codex and the introduction of Knights and tell me where the power creep is happening?
Go look at the new Eldar jetbikes.
Until I have my Farseer edition codex in hand, I will steadfastly refuse to believe that the word "Any" in the WD article is anything other than a blatant misprint.
Then again, this wouldn't be the first time. One could make a compelling case that a certain entry in the last codex's vehicle equipment section contained one...
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Poly Ranger wrote: Take out the new necron codex and the introduction of Knights and tell me where the power creep is happening?
Go look at the new Eldar jetbikes.
Until I have my Farseer edition codex in hand, I will steadfastly refuse to believe that the word "Any" in the WD article is anything other than a blatant misprint.
Then again, this wouldn't be the first time. One could make a compelling case that a certain entry in the last codex's vehicle equipment section contained one...
I'm assuming you're talking about the shield range on the wave serpent? That *never* got changed?
It would have to be a pretty gross error in that White Dwarf, considering the language used wouldn't make sense if it said anything else (i.e. "one out of every three"). You're of course free to not entirely believe it, I'm not going to harass you about it or anything. I just can't see things turning out any differently than the way they are now.
2015/04/15 07:03:15
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
There's not much of a case considering that
a) the codex was out for 2 years and had numerous FAQs but the range of the serpent shield wasn't one of them
b) GW clearly knows people were complaining about it due to the SL change, yet did not FAQ it
c) the stormfang large blast was listed as AP2, that actually was a typo and was fixed within 2 months of the codex being released
Anyone who thinks the serpent shield was a typo is living in a fantasy world. Please tell me what your compelling argument is for that?
2015/04/15 09:16:31
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Yeah pretty much, its taken me a long time but Ive finally kicked the habit and left 40k. I know people say there's a counter to everything but the problem is that counter is usually a new and or expensive unit I end up not owning and have to go out and sink money into a unit I never wanted. I mean you're pretty screwed if you're building an army around a theme and some new flyer comes out that wrecks it unless you have some AA maybe I don't want your ugly AA tanks or emplacements GW.
Maybe thats why I'm just not suited to playing 40k to be competitive you have to build a list around winning or countering whilst I like to buy like I did when I was a kid getting into it, based on what I want rather than what I need and too many knights, eventually all models are going to be apocalypse scale and troops will become pointless. I knew something was wrong when I was trying to cut down troops as much as possible to have points to put into other things. I used to value taking troops but too many table sized blast templates been fired out of every new units eyeballs took care of that.
lore wise im also trying to wrap my head around it. The idea of the 40k universe was that everything is always at war, ships take hundreds of years to get places even through the warp and the technology they are using is left overs from a golden age that have become so old that they have become religious icons themselves and only the techpriests and enginseers know how to even fix them. Tanks that have been in service for hundreds of years and all technology been used has been in service for millennia. so where did all this sudden new technology come from, can't tell me they found whole armies of new tanks and guns that also happen to be ancient just lying around all at the same time. did the space marine chapters forget for thousands of years they had a load old centurion suits laying about. shame you didn't have those for the battle of macragge guys or a few knights on station or those flyers.
Awe well im still holding slim hope they're going to fix fantasy so I can have something to play
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2015/04/15 11:24:25
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
Toofast wrote: There's not much of a case considering that
a) the codex was out for 2 years and had numerous FAQs but the range of the serpent shield wasn't one of them
b) GW clearly knows people were complaining about it due to the SL change, yet did not FAQ it
c) the stormfang large blast was listed as AP2, that actually was a typo and was fixed within 2 months of the codex being released
Anyone who thinks the serpent shield was a typo is living in a fantasy world. Please tell me what your compelling argument is for that?
Exalted. Seriously, If it was actually a typo it would have been fixed by the first FAQ.
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2015/04/15 11:46:42
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
SlaveToDorkness wrote: It is not unheard of to have really bad typos in a White Dwarf. I would wait for the actual codex to see if its "1 of 3" or "any".
Not, it's not. However they probably just copied and pasted that page over from the codex, in which case it'll be there too.
2015/04/15 13:26:35
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
After playing numerous games over the years, online, tabletop, and more one thing I learned is that updating/changing rules to favor one race/class/faction/playstyle is pretty common.
I don't know if it is intentional in all cases and some are more overt as in GW's case. I wish this weren't true and that a balanced game would exist but I think in no matter the case there is going to be some sort of imbalance.
Being that this concept is something we have to deal with I just wish that the pendulum would swing other ways from time to time. Why can't other armies get cool and over the top combos from time to time? Instead a supplement or add on codex comes out and changes nothing and whoever the devs favored books are keep getting re-tooled to be even better.
Toofast wrote: There's not much of a case considering that
a) the codex was out for 2 years and had numerous FAQs but the range of the serpent shield wasn't one of them
b) GW clearly knows people were complaining about it due to the SL change, yet did not FAQ it
c) the stormfang large blast was listed as AP2, that actually was a typo and was fixed within 2 months of the codex being released
Anyone who thinks the serpent shield was a typo is living in a fantasy world. Please tell me what your compelling argument is for that?
Exalted. Seriously, If it was actually a typo it would have been fixed by the first FAQ.
The part about the Serpent Shield being a typo was a joke, if you didn't catch that.
Honestly, our only hope at this point is that GW comes out with a Day 1 FAQ that says "Nope! Denied".
SlaveToDorkness wrote: It is not unheard of to have really bad typos in a White Dwarf. I would wait for the actual codex to see if its "1 of 3" or "any".
Not, it's not. However they probably just copied and pasted that page over from the codex, in which case it'll be there too.
There is also the fact that from the White Dwarf, the Bloodsthirsters of <insert name here> all had the options to take Demonic Rewards, which made them ridiculous (A S weapon on a 3++, 4+++ FMC was a bit much). However, in Khorne Daemonkin, they aren't able to take the rewards, in fact I think they have no upgrade options whatsoever.
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2015/04/15 19:13:11
Subject: Re:Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
SlaveToDorkness wrote: It is not unheard of to have really bad typos in a White Dwarf. I would wait for the actual codex to see if its "1 of 3" or "any".
Not, it's not. However they probably just copied and pasted that page over from the codex, in which case it'll be there too.
There is also the fact that from the White Dwarf, the Bloodsthirsters of <insert name here> all had the options to take Demonic Rewards, which made them ridiculous (A S weapon on a 3++, 4+++ FMC was a bit much). However, in Khorne Daemonkin, they aren't able to take the rewards, in fact I think they have no upgrade options whatsoever.
That's because the datasheets in the WD are for chaos daemons. The new BTs can be fielded by them too and their points cost, equipment and options can be found in the WD. At least that's how I understood that move.
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2015/04/15 19:50:29
Subject: Is anyone else just bored of 40k and constantly upping itself?
SlaveToDorkness wrote: It is not unheard of to have really bad typos in a White Dwarf. I would wait for the actual codex to see if its "1 of 3" or "any".
Not, it's not. However they probably just copied and pasted that page over from the codex, in which case it'll be there too.
There is also the fact that from the White Dwarf, the Bloodsthirsters of <insert name here> all had the options to take Demonic Rewards, which made them ridiculous (A S weapon on a 3++, 4+++ FMC was a bit much). However, in Khorne Daemonkin, they aren't able to take the rewards, in fact I think they have no upgrade options whatsoever.
Can't those Bloodthirsters be taken in Codex: Daemons where they can pick up rewards?
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