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**Quickjager**

Str: D ranged weapons confirmed.

Serpent shield offensive power did actually get nerfed.

Yes the codex is actually even stronger than before.

One of the formations guarentees a 6 inch run, and battle focus has not changed.

Please come celebrate our overlord's re-election in News & Rumors.

Someone please fire Kelly.

**ZebioLizard2**

So Ward Broke 7th edition Fantasy with Daemons.

So in return, Kelly broke 7th edition 40k With Eldar.

**BoomWolf**

Have seen no confirmention on the S: D thing, but the jetbikes alone makes me want to punch the rules team.

They are seriusly paid to scratch their asses or what?

For every good release (khorne, skitari), you get an abomination like necron and eldar.

It like they are TRYING to bring down 40k.

**MrFlutterPie**

I for one welcome our old pointy eared overlords

**SGTPozy**

Just wait until Space Marines are released; they'll make Eldar look like a middle tier army (like Tau).

Mark my words!

**Quickjager**

Pozy you wonderful bastard! Did I ever tell you how much I love Tau and the Greatest Good?

**crazyK**

At least games against Eldar won't last a long time. I can bring a different miniature game army with me to my FLGS to play that after getting tabled in turn 2.

Easy
List
Destroyer
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Range

**Desubot**

BoomWolf wrote:
They are seriusly paid to scratch their asses or what?

A true Dream job if there ever was one.

Il wait and see to make judgment once the codex comes out.

**Blacksails**

Must be nice to get drunk and write rules.

**dpal666**

Quickjager wrote:
Str: D ranged weapons confirmed.

Serpent shield offensive power did actually get nerfed.

Yes the codex is actually even stronger than before.

One of the formations guarentees a 6 inch run, and battle focus has not changed.

Please come celebrate our overlord's re-election in News & Rumors.

Someone please fire Kelly.

where's the proof?

**Quickjager**

Can I write the Ork rules? I promise I'll orkify it.

Big Mek special rule: Masta' Salvaga
-May take a vehicle from any other codex
-Roll a D6 for added effect
1- Rush'd Job: -1 AV to side and rear
2- Harda': +1 Av to front
3- Betta': +1 BS
4- Fasta': "Fast" special rule
5- Stronga': +1 Str of weapons
6- 're Daft mate?: Roll 2D6 take both effects, ignore further rules of 6

EDIT: Look in News and Rumors, there are pics.

**SGTPozy**

Quickjager wrote:
Pozy you wonderful bastard! Did I ever tell you how much I love Tau and the Greatest Good?

Umm... No? Come on though, Tau are pretty bad nowadays; they're nowhere near as good as higher tier armies (like Grey Knights).

Tau will likely be OP too, but nowhere near as bad as Space Marines (yet Tau will get the hate and Space Marines won't as people will still be complaining about how bolters aren't as powerful as their broken Grav guns)

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Quickjager wrote:
Can I write the Ork rules? I promise I'll orkify it.

Big Mek special rule: Masta' Salvaga
-May take a vehicle from any other codex
-Roll a D6 for added effect
1- Rush'd Job: -1 AV to side and rear
2- Harda': +1 Av to front
3- Betta': +1 BS
4- Fasta': "Fast" special rule
5- Stronga': +1 Str of weapons
6- 're Daft mate?: Roll 2D6 take both effects, ignore further rules of 6

EDIT: Look in News and Rumors, there are pics.

Then roll a further d6 to see how many S

guns it has

**BrianDavion**

SGTPozy wrote:
Just wait until Space Marines are released; they'll make Eldar look like a middle tier army (like Tau).

Mark my words!

I don't have a lot of faith in this sadly. they can't do too much as they'll presumably wanna keep the Marines more or less on the same footing as each other cost wise etc. so Marines aren't gonna get any super OP rules or anything. it seems to just be the "hyper advanced alien races" with these rules. still.. Maybe they'll give Marines Arc Rifles? *crosses fingers*

**Orock**

dpal666 wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
Str: D ranged weapons confirmed.

Serpent shield offensive power did actually get nerfed.

Yes the codex is actually even stronger than before.

One of the formations guarentees a 6 inch run, and battle focus has not changed.

Please come celebrate our overlord's re-election in News & Rumors.

Someone please fire Kelly.

where's the proof?

some of us (myself included) have seen the pics of the codex from someone who actually has it. Not the white dwarf, the actual codex. So go ahead and keep saying "proof or it dident happen" the rest of us that know for sure will continue the discussion without you.

**Quickjager**

Obviously we're meant to be Battle Brothers! Imagine the fear we will bring to the Universe with Grau! We must stand united against the threat of Eldar!

**dpal666**

Orock wrote:
dpal666 wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
Str: D ranged weapons confirmed.

Serpent shield offensive power did actually get nerfed.

Yes the codex is actually even stronger than before.

One of the formations guarentees a 6 inch run, and battle focus has not changed.

Please come celebrate our overlord's re-election in News & Rumors.

Someone please fire Kelly.

where's the proof?

some of us (myself included) have seen the pics of the codex from someone who actually has it. Not the white dwarf, the actual codex. So go ahead and keep saying "proof or it dident happen" the rest of us that know for sure will continue the discussion without you.

So, you've seen pics of something that just went on pre-release today, but can't show pics......yup, I believe that.

**Quickjager**

It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

**WrentheFaceless**

Quickjager wrote:
It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

Who also posted pictures of himself with the codex in hand

**Vaktathi**

Yeah, this Eldar release is looking to be a replay of WHFB 7E Daemons, especially in conjunction with the Necron codex.

dpal666 wrote:
Orock wrote:
dpal666 wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
Str: D ranged weapons confirmed.

Serpent shield offensive power did actually get nerfed.

Yes the codex is actually even stronger than before.

One of the formations guarentees a 6 inch run, and battle focus has not changed.

Please come celebrate our overlord's re-election in News & Rumors.

Someone please fire Kelly.

where's the proof?

some of us (myself included) have seen the pics of the codex from someone who actually has it. Not the white dwarf, the actual codex. So go ahead and keep saying "proof or it dident happen" the rest of us that know for sure will continue the discussion without you.

So, you've seen pics of something that just went on pre-release today, but can't show pics......yup, I believe that.

There's a guy with pics of the codex posting on Warseer.

Books almost always get into someones hands a couple of days early. I can't think of a single codex that hasn't. We used to get them a month or two early (e.g the 2007 and 2008 CSM and Ork books).

**ImAGeek**

Blacksails wrote:
Must be nice to get drunk and write rules.

They're drunk when they write all the rules. They must've been high this time. Meth; not even once.

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Vaktathi wrote:
dpal666 wrote:
Orock wrote:
dpal666 wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
Str: D ranged weapons confirmed.

Serpent shield offensive power did actually get nerfed.

Yes the codex is actually even stronger than before.

One of the formations guarentees a 6 inch run, and battle focus has not changed.

Please come celebrate our overlord's re-election in News & Rumors.

Someone please fire Kelly.

where's the proof?

some of us (myself included) have seen the pics of the codex from someone who actually has it. Not the white dwarf, the actual codex. So go ahead and keep saying "proof or it dident happen" the rest of us that know for sure will continue the discussion without you.

So, you've seen pics of something that just went on pre-release today, but can't show pics......yup, I believe that.
There's a guy with pics of the codex posting on Warseer.

Books almost always get into someones hands a couple of days early. I can't think of a single codex that hasn't. We used to get them a month or two early (e.g the 2007 and 2008 CSM and Ork books).

I got the chaos demons codex on the Wednesday before ift was released and was answering questions on Warseer a few years ago.

**AnomanderRake**

Quickjager wrote:
It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

Long overdue. Why did we spend 3rd through now with the Imperium getting every single safe Deep Strike/reliable Reserves trick and the people who can see the future can't put their stuff on the field when they want them?

**Las**

AnomanderRake wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

Long overdue. Why did we spend 3rd through now with the Imperium getting every single safe Deep Strike/reliable Reserves trick and the people who can see the future can't put their stuff on the field when they want them?

Would've been fine if the rest of te codex wasn't such a joke. There's a ton of small, cool buffs like the hawks being able to haywire flyers. The problem is that when you put them with the broken gak in the rest of the dex it just becomes annoying. The book has no weaknesses.

**Talys**

The changes that we know of; the guy took a couple of pics of the actual codex book.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/04/boom-eldar-rules-tidalwave.html

There are some mighty fine Eldar buffs there, though Wraithknight moving to LoW prevents it from being spammed (and actually interferes with other LoWs) in any tournament setting.

Serpent shield is very much nerfed -- 1 shot (in game), 24".

The first batch of first hand codex rules reports are in! OH MY what the Eldar have become! +++UPDATED+++

Iuchiban has verified with cover pics that he has a copy of Codex Eldar Craftworlds in hand. This stuff is almost certainly correct:

via Iuchiban 4-17-2015

Ok. Let’s go.
All Distortion weapons are Strenght D. All of them. But the scythes apply a -1 when rolling on the D table, and the strenght is considered to be 4 when calculating the instant death.

Step by step.
Banshees add +3″ when running or assaulting. They igoner the I penalti when assualting through cover.
There are no “chapter tactics”.

Yes they have:
Primaris: Guide (no changes)
1: Executioner: Focussed witch fire. 24″. Target receives 3 hits, always wounds on 2+. If target diez, another model receives 2 hits. If target dies another gone receives 1 hit.
2: Fatality: You re-roll to wound or to penetrate when firing at target unit. 24″
3: Will of Asuryan: 12″ bubble of Fear and Adamantium will
4: Fortune: As always
5: Mind fight: Mainly the same.
6: Ancestral Storm: Warp charges 3 (5″ blast), Warp charge 4 (Apoc blast), 24″, Haywire, wounds 2+
Names may be different in the English version. (I own the Spanish one).

Wraithknight is LoW (295 points), Jump gargantuan creature
Wraithguard/blades are not tropos anymore if taking a Spiritseer (Only Elites)
Crimson hunter basically the same, but 140 points only.

No changes on Battle focus of the bladestorm rule. No hints on the Iyanden codex

(Wraithknight) Sword + Shield: Free (Sword is Strenght D)
Solar cannon + Shield: Free
(The Wraithknight’s Heavy Wraithcannons) Is the equipment by default.

(Jetbikes) 17/model, every model can purchase one scatter laser or shuriken cannon for +10 points

(Wraithknight Suncannon) Sun (Sorry for the “solar”) remains the same.

(Wave) Serpents are 110 points, and shield is now: S6, Assault 2D6, Ignores cover, One use only.

Shining spears have 4+ cover save if they moved the previous turn. 25/model. Lance is: 6″, F6, Assault 1, Lance. In combat: +3F when charging. Both are AP3.

Wraithblades: Same but 30/model and have Rage.

Hemlock: Same cost, has Lvl 2, can choose Daemonology (Sacred), Telepathy and Battle Runes. D-Scythes are a special D weapon as mentioned above,.

Scorpions: 17/model, Infiltration, Stealth, and Shrouded until they fire or fight in combat
Warp Spiders: 19/model Monofilament rule has changed.They roll to wound against I, although the T is still used to calculate ID.
Hawks: 16/model, they move 18″, and when moving over a Flyer the can do a special attack. Hits on 4+, S4, AP4 Haywire

(Wraithguard) Cost is the same.
(Regards to Autarchs and Swooping Hawk “no scatter”) Basically the same.
(Squadrons of Falcons/Fire Prisms/Night Spinners) YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Up to three!!!!!!!! And they have special rules if done so:
Falcon: if Deep Strike, first Falcon does not scatter. Others are place at 4″.
Fire Prism: For each additional Fire Prism firing +1S / -1AP
Night Spinners: +1S for each Night spinner
(Serpent Shield) Nop, only 24″ (range)
(Eldar Warhost Detachment) The main bonus of the Warhost is that they always run 6″.
(Serpent Shield Defence) When working as a shield, it works as before.
Falcon can DS only if taken in a unit of 3.

Guardians: Same
Dire avengers: They overwatch with BS2
Avatar is LoW, but mainly the same
I cannot see any psyker being able to get malefic daemonology

Formation rules:
Guardian battlehost: Vypers, Warwalkers and Vaul’s support batteries get preferred enemy if they have a unit of Guardias at 12″. Guardians can purchase a Platform for free.
Windrider host: Once per game all formation gets Shred when firing shuriken weapons
Guardian Stormhost: Vypers, Warwalkers and Vaul’s support batteries get preferred enemy if they have a unit of Guardias at 12″. Storm guardians can purchase 2 special weapons for free.
Seer council: They harness Warp charges with 3+.
Aspect Host: They re-roll LD tests and get +1 to WS or BS.
Dire Avenger Shrine: Once per game, Shuriken weapons are Assault 3. +1 to BS
Crimson Death: Preferred enemy (Flying things), 4+ cover save, and if Jink, may re-roll the cover save.
Wraithhost: Get battle trance, if targe is at 18″ or less from spiritser, reroll to hit

(Warp Spider guns) Why is that? You still have S6. Target needs to have I6 to wound him on 4+.
(Dire Avengers Troops) Yes, they are.

Before leaving I will post the list of special ítems:
– A pistol S4, AP3, Rending
– A sword +2S, AP- Rending and if fighting in a challenge, wounds on 2+ and Instant Death
– One sniper rifle, AP2, 120″
– One ítem that if bearer does not cast any phychic power, or shots during the shooting phase, he can run 48″ and may reroll cover saves.
– One sword +1S, AP3, Soulblaze (affects wounded unit and all enemy units at 6″)
– One ítem that when bearer diez, 5″ template is placed and all models suffer one S4, AP5 hit. If at least, one wound is infflicted, bearer comes back to life, with 1W. One use only
– One ítem that makes psyhic powers required 1 WC less. No inv saves if done so.

**MrFlutterPie**

Las wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

Long overdue. Why did we spend 3rd through now with the Imperium getting every single safe Deep Strike/reliable Reserves trick and the people who can see the future can't put their stuff on the field when they want them?

Would've been fine if the rest of te codex wasn't such a joke. There's a ton of small, cool buffs like the hawks being able to haywire flyers. The problem is that when you put them with the broken gak in the rest of the dex it just becomes annoying. The book has no weaknesses.

You really thought that a race that is dying and on the edge of extinction would have gasp weaknesses? I mean you don't get to the top of the bottom without being god tier

Isn't there a trope where the grievously wounded hero goes all crazy and kills all the bad guys and only then he can succumb to his wounds?

**Experiment 626**

AnomanderRake wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

Long overdue. Why did we spend 3rd through now with the Imperium getting every single safe Deep Strike/reliable Reserves trick and the people who can see the future can't put their stuff on the field when they want them?

Considering the rumor dump says you need a full squad of 3 Falcons in order to get the 'no scatter' Deep Strike, AND, that the other two have to be within 4" of the first, that's a motherfething huge footprint to try and plonk down on the table!

Good luck getting it to fit anywhere reasonable... That's going to be harder to pull off than a single DS'ing Land Raider, and how many BA armies suddenly started dropping those all over the place? Oh, right, pretty much none of them.

**Talys**

Experiment 626 wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:
Quickjager wrote:
It's the same guy who did the leaks of the Deamonkin codex; he isn't the type to lie.

EDIT: BLOODY HELL THEY GET NO SCATTER DEEPSTRIKE ON VEHICLES. bs I'M A DEEPSTRIKE ARMY AND I DON'T EVEN GET A REDUCTION IN SCATTER!

Long overdue. Why did we spend 3rd through now with the Imperium getting every single safe Deep Strike/reliable Reserves trick and the people who can see the future can't put their stuff on the field when they want them?

Considering the rumor dump says you need a full squad of 3 Falcons in order to get the 'no scatter' Deep Strike, AND, that the other two have to be within 4" of the first, that's a motherfething huge footprint to try and plonk down on the table!

Good luck getting it to fit anywhere reasonable... That's going to be harder to pull off than a single DS'ing Land Raider, and how many BA armies suddenly started dropping those all over the place? Oh, right, pretty much none of them.

I thought the same thing. Like... WTF, where are you ever going to be place three falcons LOL.

**Shigematsu**

AFAIK Kelly doesnt write the crunch anymore, just the fluff.

So this is Cruddace and Vetock and the rest of the team.

**Kanluwen**

Shigematsu wrote:
AFAIK Kelly doesnt write the crunch anymore, just the fluff.

So this is Cruddace and Vetock and the rest of the team.

I don't believe for a second that Kelly didn't have a hand in the rules portion of this.

**epronovost**

From what Talys just wrote, it doesn't seem so bad. The Wave Serpent has finally been fixed in a reasonnable way. Scatter laser have lost laser lock, and pretty much everything else remains the same. Shure, formation are good, but that's pretty much where all power gaming is going: in formations. Jetbikes are very problematic with their options to buy so many high strength weapons for a relatively low price on the most mobile platform there is. Yet, I think it's possible to fight them, even with those odds, with multiple small units to force them to waste some of their firepowers and their relatively low endurence point wise. At almost 30 pts each, you certainly pay for those unlucky roles. Cheap access to 4+ armor save can really save a lot of damage against scatter lasers and some deep striking abilities can help you get the jump on them. Since their squads are usually small, it's rather easy to force a Ld check and guardians only have Ld 8 so it's possible to break them. Shure, a max out army of these guys will make things tedious has hell and require specilised forces to fight them.

**jreilly89**

Time to drink!