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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If you can show me the GW Codex where it's printed, I'm good with it.

If you're just making gak up, I can do that, too.

I'll take that as a "I'm going to say yes knowing that there is not actually a 1 point reaver Titan anywhere officially, and I hope he doesn't realize I would quickly change my tune if one ever showed up."

The 1 point Titan is an analogy for anything that is obviously unbalanced in a very powerful way, in case you were unsure.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
I don't know if that's sarcasm or not...

Its certainly a great parody of a few posters' thoughts I've read so far.

If you are serious, I'm sure everyone just needs to adapt harder. Buy the latest book, buy the latest expensive model, ignore themes or fluff and just build the hardest list possible. Nevermind that a codex that is substantially more powerful than the rest hurts all players, regardless of their preferred style of play.

But I'm sure everyone just needs to adapt and learn to play better. That'll fix it.

Deadly fething serious, pal.

This "chicken little" stuff comes out every time. Also the "my army is destroyed". It's ridiculous.

Again, DEADLY SERIOUS.

They do. Especially the playing, as in "having fun", separate from "kicking the other guy's ass".

The difference here is that ranged D just became a troop/elite option....so yeah there is a piece of sky falling.

 agnosto wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
I don't know if that's sarcasm or not...

Its certainly a great parody of a few posters' thoughts I've read so far.

If you are serious, I'm sure everyone just needs to adapt harder. Buy the latest book, buy the latest expensive model, ignore themes or fluff and just build the hardest list possible. Nevermind that a codex that is substantially more powerful than the rest hurts all players, regardless of their preferred style of play.

But I'm sure everyone just needs to adapt and learn to play better. That'll fix it.

Deadly fething serious, pal.

This "chicken little" stuff comes out every time. Also the "my army is destroyed". It's ridiculous.

Again, DEADLY SERIOUS.

They do. Especially the playing, as in "having fun", separate from "kicking the other guy's ass".

The difference here is that ranged D just became a troop/elite option....so yeah there is a piece of sky falling.

Wraithguard can no longer be taken as troops according to what individuals are saying.

That being said where is the rest of the troop D coming from ?

The Imperial Answer wrote:


Wraithguard can no longer be taken as troops according to what individuals are saying.

That being said where is the rest of the troop D coming from ?

According to the guy who seems totally above board, and has snapped pictures of himself holding the codex, yeah:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/04/boom-eldar-rules-tidalwave.html

Says they are Elites, can't be taken as troops with Spiritseer.


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 Blacksails wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Can we all please step back a second and realise we're talking about little plastic men? Seriously, calm down. If you treat 40K as anything other than a weird little hobby, maybe you should slow down a little bit....

Everyone's calm, I can assure you. There's been plenty of comedic relief to indicate that. If you're sensing seriousness, maybe you're reading this too intently, and I'd ask you to calm down and remember we're talking about plastic soldiers.

As soon as I pick up my latest overpriced black-spined hardcover on Tuesday or Wednesday, my plastic soldiers (Women too... where's the Sisterslove!!) will suddenly implode, swallowed by the void. So it has been written by the Lords of Chaos, so shall it be.

If that doesn't happen, well, praise be the Emperor, and PARTY ON!

Okay to everyone who keeps saying sales are all they worry about. Your right and your totally wrong. I'm going to explain.

A company is not an all seeing all knowing entity.

If they see models all of a sudden stop selling they could think almost anything.

Most of the time they'll turn to try and true methods of data to attempt to get things back on track.

If there is no message to the actions then they have no way to know why their sales are falling.

To them it just looks like an army is unpopular and they'll just stop selling it and making it. Simple as that. Then make something new and perpetuate the cycle.

Everyone in here is under the impression that boycotting them would suddenly make them enlighten. No it wouldn't. It would get their attention, but we also need to let them know why. Which is why we would need to bombard them at all levels of social media with the message and stir up a big controversy as well as a boycotte.

Doing one or the other alone in a bubble will not achieve anything.

Now if there is a huge gak storm of anger and rage combined with the action of boycotting and bad press that's something any company hates. This way they know why we're mad, we're getting the wider geek community involved by showing how terrible this company is, and we're hurting their sales all at once. If all we did was just stop buying their stuff they'll just stop making it and go on with life.

Your passive bs isn't cutting it folks. Seriously when a girl thinks she is being all subtle and cute trying to get your attention by doing some random thing instead of just woman up and speaking to you don't you feel a lot better? Like gak no more of these stupid games that just gets each party confused. You need to get in their face and be eye catching. With GW you need to be obnoxious. I'm attempting to do that by pissing off the Eldar player base and Tournament player base so much they ban Eldar. Wow think of the headlines. The more negative press we generate, the more people we get, and the more negative press we can thus make. This gak needs to explode. And it easily could if people have even the tiniest fraction of backbone.

At the same time I am encouraging all Eldar to use the maximum cheese and crush every last opponent and codex under the sun so bad no one but Eldar will play.

 Blacksails wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Why don't the Eldar players need to learn to play?

Eldar players have already transcended the need for petty things like tactics and strategy.

Yup, all our low T, high armor save units (the entire codex), make it a brainless army. You can just push the models around the table making pew pew noises and you automatically score every possible victory point while denying every possible point for your opponent. Hell, I could probably give a 13 year old my eldar list and he could beat Nanavati with his Adepticon list the first try.

/sarcasm

The hyperbole over this new eldar book has reached record levels, even for dakka. This army is powerful but it's also a glass cannon. 3+ save doesn't mean much any more. If you move 20-30 bikes in and out of ruins, some will die from terrain tests. If you don't have them in cover, they will end up jinking. If they jink, their firepower is seriously reduced. If they don't jink, their firepower is also reduced from taking casualties. It's not unbeatable, you just won't be able to use your DA from dark vengeance with an expansion and a couple models you thought looked cool to beat eldar (which you couldn't do with their last codex anyway, or space marines, or necrons, or daemons).

A general reminder to all users that insulting other posters does not help your argument at all, and also that we do not allow single image posts, either type a proper answer or don't bother.

Thank you.

 Toofast wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Why don't the Eldar players need to learn to play?

Eldar players have already transcended the need for petty things like tactics and strategy.

The hyperbole over this new eldar book has reached record levels, even for dakka. This army is powerful but it's also a glass cannon. 3+ save doesn't mean much any more. If you move 20-30 bikes in and out of ruins, some will die from terrain tests. If you don't have them in cover, they will end up jinking. If they jink, their firepower is seriously reduced. If they don't jink, their firepower is also reduced from taking casualties. It's not unbeatable, you just won't be able to use your DA from dark vengeance with an expansion and a couple models you thought looked cool to beat eldar (which you couldn't do with their last codex anyway, or space marines, or necrons, or daemons).

Do you really think there's a codex in game currently that is not less powerful than the current Eldar one?

Personally, I don't think they're unbeatable by any of the good codexes currently in play (I'm also looking forward to adding 15-20 jetbikes to my Tau army ), just that they're the most powerful codex ATM, and by the looks of it not by a small margin.

 reds8n wrote:
A general reminder to all users that insulting other posters does not help your argument at all, and also that we do not allow single image posts, either type a proper answer or don't bother.

Thank you.

Thank you. It is getting beyond the pale now with so many people insulting those who are merely stating they think the new eldar broken.

Also to those who say it is just a game of little plastic men. You are correct. However you are entierly missing the point that many of us have put thousands and thousands of pounds into this hobby and something that has the potential to take out enjoyment from the hobby is a big deal.

to be honest I don't think the jetbikes are the problem, its the mass of strength D on small units of 5 which is just beyond amazing.

I think wraiths constructs are OP, and jetbikes are borderline but the two together makes for extremely competitive lists


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Distort has always been good but usually amazing on a roll of 6, now they are just straight up always amazing.

it should be something like a 6 to hit causes the shot to be D. (still amazing IMO)

 RED EYE JEDI wrote:
to be honest I don't think the jetbikes are the problem, its the mass of strength D on small units of 5 which is just beyond amazing.

I think wraiths constructs are OP, and jetbikes are borderline but the two together makes for extremely competitive lists


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Distort has always been good but usually amazing on a roll of 6, now they are just straight up always amazing.

it should be something like a 6 to hit causes the shot to be D. (still amazing IMO)

IMO that isn't a terribly big problem. before it was str 10 ap2 anyways so it was wounding most things on a 2-3 anways, plus they are 12" range and will melt to any ap3 weapon, which there are plenty.

Boycott! of Eldar! named Operation Pitchfork! I love it.

I dont love it because of rules, I just hate ponytail Eldar. Cant join though, not playing the game atm.

It's hilarious how the codieces are now both bland and unbalanced.

Boycott of the new codex only sounds more realistic btw. Play with old dex or go home, it's time for something like that preferably for all blatantly overpowered codieces from now on.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 RED EYE JEDI wrote:
to be honest I don't think the jetbikes are the problem, its the mass of strength D on small units of 5 which is just beyond amazing.

I think wraiths constructs are OP, and jetbikes are borderline but the two together makes for extremely competitive lists


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Distort has always been good but usually amazing on a roll of 6, now they are just straight up always amazing.

it should be something like a 6 to hit causes the shot to be D. (still amazing IMO)

IMO that isn't a terribly big problem. before it was str 10 ap2 anyways so it was wounding most things on a 2-3 anways, plus they are 12" range and will melt to any ap3 weapon, which there are plenty.

Unless they come across a Titan and kill it in one round of shooting.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 RED EYE JEDI wrote:
to be honest I don't think the jetbikes are the problem, its the mass of strength D on small units of 5 which is just beyond amazing.

I think wraiths constructs are OP, and jetbikes are borderline but the two together makes for extremely competitive lists


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Distort has always been good but usually amazing on a roll of 6, now they are just straight up always amazing.

it should be something like a 6 to hit causes the shot to be D. (still amazing IMO)

IMO that isn't a terribly big problem. before it was str 10 ap2 anyways so it was wounding most things on a 2-3 anways, plus they are 12" range and will melt to any ap3 weapon, which there are plenty.

Unless they come across a Titan and kill it in one round of shooting.

this is what I was thinking ^

Poly Ranger wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
A general reminder to all users that insulting other posters does not help your argument at all, and also that we do not allow single image posts, either type a proper answer or don't bother.

Thank you.

Thank you. It is getting beyond the pale now with so many people insulting those who are merely stating they think the new eldar broken.

Also to those who say it is just a game of little plastic men. You are correct. However you are entierly missing the point that many of us have put thousands and thousands of pounds into this hobby and something that has the potential to take out enjoyment from the hobby is a big deal.

Correct. It is just a game with man dollies, but not all of us agree that the codex is broken. Some of us play with everything allowed and have no issue with the new codex information. Thus, demands that the book be immediately FAQ, altered, comped or whatever else folks are demanding are not universally shared. Adjust the book however you want so you and those you game with have fun. Others, like myself, will take it at face value and still enjoy the game.

 Sarigar wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
A general reminder to all users that insulting other posters does not help your argument at all, and also that we do not allow single image posts, either type a proper answer or don't bother.

Thank you.

Thank you. It is getting beyond the pale now with so many people insulting those who are merely stating they think the new eldar broken.

Also to those who say it is just a game of little plastic men. You are correct. However you are entierly missing the point that many of us have put thousands and thousands of pounds into this hobby and something that has the potential to take out enjoyment from the hobby is a big deal.

Correct. It is just a game with man dollies, but not all of us agree that the codex is broken. Some of us play with everything allowed and have no issue with the new codex information. Thus, demands that the book be immediately FAQ, altered, comped or whatever else folks are demanding are not universally shared. Adjust the book however you want so you and those you game with have fun. Others, like myself, will take it at face value and still enjoy the game.

I'm curious how you play that you don't find issue with it. I don't mean that rudely or sarcastically just I see people always counter argue that their group finds nothing wrong with otherwise-OP options, and I always wonder why, because it's apparent to everyone that being able to take ranged D weapons on regular units is very powerful, or being able to take a ton of high STR shots the same. I get that not everyone is going to just spam scatter lasers because they can (in fact I'd wager most people aren't)

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
I don't know if that's sarcasm or not...

Its certainly a great parody of a few posters' thoughts I've read so far.

If you are serious, I'm sure everyone just needs to adapt harder. Buy the latest book, buy the latest expensive model, ignore themes or fluff and just build the hardest list possible. Nevermind that a codex that is substantially more powerful than the rest hurts all players, regardless of their preferred style of play.

But I'm sure everyone just needs to adapt and learn to play better. That'll fix it.

Deadly fething serious, pal.

This "chicken little" stuff comes out every time. Also the "my army is destroyed". It's ridiculous.

Again, DEADLY SERIOUS.

They do. Especially the playing, as in "having fun", separate from "kicking the other guy's ass".

It's a competitive game whether GW wants to admit it or not. 95% of the games I've had have been about kicking ass, not the narrative. And that's since 1994.

This is the silliest thing I have ever read. Seriously - just go play another game that you will enjoy.

Yeah, screw that guy for trying to improve something he cares about. He should just throw all his models away and find something else on which to spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours.

 Sarigar wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
A general reminder to all users that insulting other posters does not help your argument at all, and also that we do not allow single image posts, either type a proper answer or don't bother.

Thank you.

Thank you. It is getting beyond the pale now with so many people insulting those who are merely stating they think the new eldar broken.

Also to those who say it is just a game of little plastic men. You are correct. However you are entierly missing the point that many of us have put thousands and thousands of pounds into this hobby and something that has the potential to take out enjoyment from the hobby is a big deal.

Correct. It is just a game with man dollies, but not all of us agree that the codex is broken. Some of us play with everything allowed and have no issue with the new codex information. Thus, demands that the book be immediately FAQ, altered, comped or whatever else folks are demanding are not universally shared. Adjust the book however you want so you and those you game with have fun. Others, like myself, will take it at face value and still enjoy the game.

Oh look another Eldar player who says the codex is fine... and the classic the game is about man dollies. How about whenever you play a game you do an army swap? At this rate I'm of the opinion if you have Eldar flavor text under your name, opinion discarded.

Considering I've heard people argue on this board that Sisters of Battle are overpowered, I take anything any of you say with more salt than Earth's oceans contain.

You always have to consider the source. Does the math support SoB being considered OP? Didn't think so. Better than some other lists? Sure.

Yeah, and to me it looks like the source is "people complaining that a codex other than theirs is strong and using that as an excuse to spout hyperbole and pretend to ragequit".

Just like they do every single edition for some other codex. It's nothing new under the sun. You'll live. 40k won't 'be destroyed, hell it probably won't even be hurt by this. Every single time, someone spouts "well this time it's worse and I mean it!" but then life goes on and their hyperbole ends up being just that-- hyperbole.

tl;dr: people here have cried wolf so many times that I don't care what they think any more.

Well, I took a hiatus from mid 6th until the 7th ed BA codex came out. It wouldn't break my heart to sit out again until BA get a codex that can compete. There's lots of other things I can do. And if I have to move across the country in the meantime, I'd have no hesitation in letting go all my models. They just aren't that dear to me.

Martel732 wrote:
Well, I took a hiatus from mid 6th until the 7th ed BA codex came out. It wouldn't break my heart to sit out again until BA get a codex that can compete.

I've been waiting for new models for well over a decade, BA at least had their time in the sun

 Melissia wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Well, I took a hiatus from mid 6th until the 7th ed BA codex came out. It wouldn't break my heart to sit out again until BA get a codex that can compete.

I've been waiting for new models for well over a decade, BA at least had their time in the sun

Not really. Unless you mean 3rd ed. The Ward codex was never really better than SW, and was quickly made a joke by Necrons and GK.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, and to me it looks like the source is "people complaining that a codex other than theirs is strong and using that as an excuse to spout hyperbole and pretend to ragequit".

Just like they do every single edition for some other codex. It's nothing new under the sun. You'll live. 40k won't 'be destroyed, hell it probably won't even be hurt by this. Every single time, someone spouts "well this time it's worse and I mean it!" but then life goes on and their hyperbole ends up being just that-- hyperbole.

tl;dr: people here have cried wolf so many times that I don't care what they think any more.

Oh hey,

fact: They have a easily spammable Str: D
fact: They have the best troop in the game
fact: They have the best GC in the game
fact: They currently have an awesome psychic deathstar and the current leaks point to it becoming better
fact: They have always been THE top army for the majority of this game's lifespan

Other tidbit, none of us said 40k was dead. There still are other factions to play with and get a balanced game.

Martel732 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Well, I took a hiatus from mid 6th until the 7th ed BA codex came out. It wouldn't break my heart to sit out again until BA get a codex that can compete.

I've been waiting for new models for well over a decade, BA at least had their time in the sun

Not really. Unless you mean 3rd ed. The Ward codex was never really better than SW, and was quickly made a joke by Necrons and GK.

Necrons weren't really any better until 6E hit, and the whole book was just built to fit 6th to a tee perfectly.

BA were still very much a power army in 5th and did rather well in that edition. 6E pretty much wrecked most Imperial armies however.

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, and to me it looks like the source is "people complaining that a codex other than theirs is strong and using that as an excuse to spout hyperbole and pretend to ragequit".

Just like they do every single edition for some other codex. It's nothing new under the sun. You'll live. 40k won't 'be destroyed, hell it probably won't even be hurt by this. Every single time, someone spouts "well this time it's worse and I mean it!" but then life goes on and their hyperbole ends up being just that-- hyperbole.

tl;dr: people here have cried wolf so many times that I don't care what they think any more.

Except...we don't see this with every release. Aside from this and the Necron codex, there really hasn't been much in the way of "omg OP codex" in quite a while except Knights, and particularly in the last year or more. There certainly wasn't anything remotely near the same gnashing of teeth with the GK, Ork, Skitarii, IG, Harlequin, SW, BA, etc books, and what little there was was usually confined to specific things like Formation bonuses.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Except...we don't see this with every release.

Yesssss you do. Five years I've on this forum, five years that this forum has been filled with hyperbole and nonsense.


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 Quickjager wrote:
fact: They have a easily spammable Str: D
fact: They have the best troop in the game
fact: They have the best GC in the game
fact: They currently have an awesome psychic deathstar and the current leaks point to it becoming better
fact: They have always been THE top army for the majority of this game's lifespan

Other tidbit, none of us said 40k was dead. There still are other factions to play with and get a balanced game.

Hyperbole claiming to be facts is not the same as actual facts.

The Imperial Answer wrote:


Wraithguard can no longer be taken as troops according to what individuals are saying.

That being said where is the rest of the troop D coming from ?

So they're going to expressly invalidate the Iyanden supplement? Groovy.

Yeah, you're right. For some reason I confused Vauls with guardian platforms...

With wraithknight moving to LoW, you can take Vaul batteries in the heavy so 3 units of those can produce 9 S D blasts, granted at 24". The stated formation gives them preferred enemy too. All for the current price of 165pts per battery. . That's some cheap S D shooting...

5 wraithgaurd in a holo-fielded/bright lance WS for 295pts x 3 = 885
50 scatter jet bikes = 1350
Vaul battery (3) @ 165
farseer on a jetbike for 115....hm 15 pts over 2500. meh, whatevs.

15 12" S D shots, 200 S6 AP 6 shots, 3 24" S D blasts. that's a lot o shooting tex.

 Melissia wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Except...we don't see this with every release.

Yesssss you do. Five years I've on this forum, five years that this forum has been filled with hyperbole and nonsense.

There's always hyperbole and nonsense, but who was concerned with the GK, IG, Skitarii, Ork, etc eleases with anything like we're seeing now?

That said, a lot of the stuff in the game now, especially with this Eldar release, was just a *very* short time ago quite literally was confined to the realm of hyperbole.