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I played necrons against orcs at 1,5k. He got only 3 x 30 boyz with nob, PK, bp. I barely killed 2 mobs, at turn 5, not mention that 12 wraits was in combat for about 1,5 turn (3 comabats) vs 30 boyz he got also 2dakka jets and 3 x5 mek gunz.
At this points he could take 6x 30 boyz with nob and i think i couldnt deal with that list.
So how many boyz is enough to swarm whole table and left almost nothing.
At 1850 i saw list with 8x30 boyz warboss and 2 painboyz.

...Could be worse.

There's a formation called the Green Tide - essentially it's a single mob with a minimum of 100 boyz in it. Expect a painboy for excessive rage-inducing.

Having 'enough boyz' is like having 'enough dakka'. It's a worthy goal but it's not achievable in reality.

locarno24 wrote:
...Could be worse.

There's a formation called the Green Tide - essentially it's a single mob with a minimum of 100 boyz in it. Expect a painboy for excessive rage-inducing.

Having 'enough boyz' is like having 'enough dakka'. It's a worthy goal but it's not achievable in reality.

The truest essence of 40k is a 10k point apocalypse game with nothing but ork green tides and tyranid endless swarms.

But yes, you really can't go wrong with more boyz in an Ork list as long as you can fit in the points The alterations to mob rule do hurt, but most armies wish they had basic grunts as versatile and cost effective as the average shoota boy.

Just make sure you have enough points left over for AA, MC-killing, and vehicle cracking. Luckily, the Orks have really great anti-air in the form of the Traktor Kannon and Dakkajets, and the new codex has much more reliable anti-vehicle options than the last one; particularly at range, and because pretty much all Ork shooting has great weight of fire, most ork anti-vehicle options can also work against monstrous creatures. Brought Tankbustaz into a game against Tyranids? No worries, they can kill pretty much every TMC that isn't a flier or a Tyrannofex pretty easily.

Simple, never. You can never have enough boyz.

You only have enough Boyz when you can fit no more points in and even then, you absolutely, must claim that extra 10% as yours.

Yes Miniwargamer Dave is referring to dice when he said that...but said statement has other applications

When you breathe in, if you choke on errant Boyz sliding through the pile into your mouth, you still need moar Boyz!

Only when you've covered the board enough that small blasts are hitting 20+ boyz do you have enough boyz. And even then there's a strong argument for MOAR!

The only time you don't need more Boyz is when you need more Stompas instead!

locarno24 wrote:
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But yes, you really can't go wrong with more boyz in an Ork list as long as you can fit in the points The alterations to mob rule do hurt, but most armies wish they had basic grunts as versatile and cost effective as the average six point shoota boy.

Shoota boyz aren't 6 points anymore.

To explain let me put it this way. Boyz are exactly like Dakka, you can never have enough. When it comes down to it everything in your army is technically boyz, unless they are nobz or bosses (bigger boyz). The only way you could have enough boyz is exactly like enough dakka in that the boyz would have to occupy every single inch of the table for the entire game including the parts where your enemies should be. Only then can you come even remotely close to having enough boyz. But even at that point you can still stack more on top. The simple answer is you can never have enough.

The serious answer is probably around 100 vs an elite army or against an army with very little template and blast weapons. It becomes just too many models to kill and the fact that on average a single 6 or 7 point boy can put out 3 or 4 attacks a turn returns a volume to the enemy that is hard to compete with. That said if you face IG they will likely have a good deal of templates along with anyone who knew they were facing orks. Bring something to snipe (as much as orks can actually snipe) their templates and blast weapons and then reign free dominating the board.

Enough Boyz???
I do not understand the concept of Enough. Is this something like having to many???

Unfortunately the rules won't let you stack Boyz on top of each other, so the biggest number you can have is probably in the hundreds, depending on the board size. A shame.

You have enough boys when you have enough Guardsmen.

I've never known a problem that couldn't be solved by throwing more Orks at it!

tophit101 wrote:
Unfortunately the rules won't let you stack Boyz on top of each other, so the biggest number you can have is probably in the hundreds, depending on the board size. A shame.

Play 2nd Edition, when the Ork transport rules allowed you to put as many Boyz in the transport as you could physically pile on. But, if any fell off during movement, they took a hit of the appropriate strength value.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

tophit101 wrote:
Unfortunately the rules won't let you stack Boyz on top of each other, so the biggest number you can have is probably in the hundreds, depending on the board size. A shame.

Play 2nd Edition, when the Ork transport rules allowed you to put as many Boyz in the transport as you could physically pile on. But, if any fell off during movement, they took a hit of the appropriate strength value.

I remember that hahaha, so hilarious and so bad for well painted models.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

tophit101 wrote:
Unfortunately the rules won't let you stack Boyz on top of each other, so the biggest number you can have is probably in the hundreds, depending on the board size. A shame.

Play 2nd Edition, when the Ork transport rules allowed you to put as many Boyz in the transport as you could physically pile on. But, if any fell off during movement, they took a hit of the appropriate strength value.

*ahem*

Sorry. Not sorry.

Always moar Ork Boyz! But these days (7th ed), it doesn't really seem like Boyz before toys anymore, considering how cheap some of the other units are now. Warbikers, Deffkoptas, Buggies, Tankbustas, Mek Gunz, etc, etc, etc.

I played a minimum size green tide in my FLGS (plus a few nobs, of course) for the last 3 games and just about got jeered out of the store for cheese.

It's a very powerful unit against the vast majority of lists out there. What surprises most people is how lethal it is. Nothing (other than invis or some equal level of shenanigans) lasts longer than a turn or two in the sea of boys and klaws, doesn't matter how big it is.

I hate to poison this thread with talk of the new eldar, but it won't stand up to the new jetbikes at all and I'll have to stop playing it. A roughly equal (slightly smaller) points investment of jetbikes will kill the whole squad in 2 turns. This is, unfortunately, going to be the true death of boyz in our locale.

If there are enough boys, you're not a true Ork player.

More boyz is always good to have. Careful, players might still be stuck in old edition mentality. 7th edition any unit can capture objectives and most Ork stuff got cheaper. It's not necessarily boyz before toyz anymore. But still being able to drop more dice then the enemy can save is still the reliable approach for an Ork army, so moar Boyz!

Never enuff boyz. Boyz carry dakka and saying that there are enough boys means that you are saying there is enough Dakka. And that's just wrong.

Yeah, I love footslogging armies. That said, they really go down fast compared to older editions. Especially once the templates start flying - and all the AP weaponry. And everything with a higher Initiative. The Boyz are great in H2H. But there's so much out there these days that's designed to take down rank and file. Plus of course, Ork armor is poor. Ork armies do best with more armor these days, especially Battlewagons. You have to make sure they can get to the battle. Anything shot on the way there suffers greatly.

All this said, a KFF is your best friend. Sometimes I take two.

Good luck!

Ya just cant get a horde big enough, it never seems too big!

tophit101 wrote:
Unfortunately the rules won't let you stack Boyz on top of each other, so the biggest number you can have is probably in the hundreds, depending on the board size. A shame.

Wrong. A foot is 144 square inches and a standard board has 24 of them. You can literally fit thousands of small bases on the table, and then there are reserves...

 Talizvar wrote:
Ya just cant get a horde big enough, it never seems too big!

Is there the second one in reserves? Might not be enough as is.

You have enough boyz when there is no place for enemy models to put on the table ! But than hou would you're other half of boyz come from reserves hmm...

Never enough Boyz.

 Talizvar wrote:
Ya just cant get a horde big enough, it never seems too big!

Almost enough???

 Mr.T wrote:
I played necrons against orcs at 1,5k. He got only 3 x 30 boyz with nob, PK, bp. I barely killed 2 mobs, at turn 5, not mention that 12 wraits was in combat for about 1,5 turn (3 comabats) vs 30 boyz he got also 2dakka jets and 3 x5 mek gunz.
At this points he could take 6x 30 boyz with nob and i think i couldnt deal with that list.
So how many boyz is enough to swarm whole table and left almost nothing.
At 1850 i saw list with 8x30 boyz warboss and 2 painboyz.

Orks are so fun. 120 might be enough. Getting in your own way gets to being a problem beyond that. Deployment zones and terrain and the like... But you can fi about 150 total models out there with ease.

This thread is full of win.

Fill your deployment, constantly refill your deployment with the reserves you bring on after.

Gork (or Mork) will let you know when there is enough boyz.