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2015/04/25 15:02:09
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
timetowaste85 wrote: It's okay: the other countries are inferior, so they needed this little nugget of joy earlier than us to feel worthwhile/equal to America.
Also, you'd probably enjoy it better if you weren't watching it on a torn, stained sheet with a crappy old projector. Dumb England and its backwards ways.
*its 5 in the damn morning, and I was up for work at 3:45. If you hate my post, attribute it to you being butthurt, aka I'm tired.
Im not butthurt, i am offended
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Not sure if serious. TTW was clearly joking (as if the emoticons weren't enough of a giveaway), but I'm not sure if you are or not.
Yeah, if you thought I was actually serious, I have a really small, crappy island in the Atlantic to sell you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And Fraz, I have an Alamo Brewhouse nearby too! In Yonkers. Real popcorn with real butter for the win!!
Alamo Drafthouse is the best.... I have one really close to where I live, I can't wait for AoU to get here!
KiloFiX wrote: Wait, and sorry don't mean to digress, but Winter Soldier was good?
I skipped it thinking it was meh. Guess I should go pick it up.
Winter Soldier is probably the best film in the Marvel phases to date.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
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"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2015/04/25 19:32:10
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
KiloFiX wrote: Wait, and sorry don't mean to digress, but Winter Soldier was good?
I skipped it thinking it was meh. Guess I should go pick it up.
Yes, it's notable for having an actual plot, rather than a lot of exposition between action scenes. I also thought it would be meh and skipped it at the cinema (along with most of phase 2), but was pleasantly surprised when I watched it on digital release.
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Saw Age of Ultron this afternoon, found it to be very enjoyable. Probably not quite as good as the likes of Cap 2 or Guardians of the Galaxy and in many ways a touch formulaic but still very entertaining.
When I saw the initial trailer I was excited, yet honestly, I was just bored with the ridiculous amounts of comedic bits they have to put in. Yeah, a quick witty line I enjoy every now and again, but they've really overdone it such as the examples below:
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When they're interrogating the arms merchant, and suddenly he blurts out how he doesn't like cuttlefish followed by an awkward silence.
The guy in the Helicarrier trying to say the dropships have been deployed and fumbling his words.
Seriously, what a way to kill the tension built up. That was my main gripe with it, that and the fact that I was expecting Ultron to be this utterly invincible killing machine capable of forecasting any and all forms of attack against him, yet he spent half the time acting like a bumbling child.
Disappointed. Would not see again.
2015/04/25 22:49:27
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
While many of the comedic moments were good, including the running joke throughout the film.
I will have to agree, a lot of them felt a bit like Joss Whedon standup partway through it, as opposed to something the characters were actually saying.
2015/04/25 22:55:23
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
There's no Buffyspeak, if that's what you mean. - Is that the same as Whedonspeak?
It's more, there's a gag or two that's there for the sake of being a joke. Not like something a character would actually rationally say, if that makes sense.
Even if the character was a jokey one.
2015/04/26 00:08:25
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
Compel wrote: It's more, there's a gag or two that's there for the sake of being a joke. Not like something a character would actually rationally say, if that makes sense.
Thor in particular has a shocking one of these. In fact Thor is just poorly handled the whole film. His little sub plot came out of nowhere and
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provided literally divine guidance so he could show up and Frankenstein Vision to life. Not so much a plot hook as a plot harpoon.
And yes, as someone said, Ultron is a bumbling fool.
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No back ups anywhere is just too difficult to accept.
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Also it really bugged me the way Wanda was able to get the drop on almost the entire team, to within a few inches of them, except Hawkeye. And why not kill any of them? Especially Stark? Wasn't that her entire motivation? And for the love of Jeff Hawkeye if this woman has just taken down your entire team DO NOT use a frakking taser arrow on her- she has demonstrated she's a clear and present threat.
And of course Quicksilver is in there just enough to be annoying but never dangerous. With a straight razor he could end Hawkeye, Cap and Widow in the same breath. And Stark if he was dumb enough to get out of his suit and go traipsing around an enemy compound completely unarmed. Oh wait, that happened too. I guess Stark was just lucky Wanda wanted to mess with him instead of kill him- you know excluding that whole scene where she talks about how badly she wants to kill him.
It's still worth watching but I expected more from Whedon.
Ultron DID have a whole bunch of backups, all over the place. But, when Vision did his internet purge thing, all those outside the general area went poof.
I dunno if that was stated or the idea or whatever, but that's the impression I got from it.
I'd more say, Ultron was rather... inconsistent. Sometimes he was like, "this is what I want to see from Megatron in transformers." Othertimes, yeah , it's weird. But, I think it's intentiona in any case.
The first comment situation was a bit weird, yeah. It just came out of nowhere.
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And I still have no sodding idea what that pool thing was, they just mumbled it when getting into a car and poof, weird oracle pool.
In still, saying that. The film is still damn awesome.
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2015/04/26 00:56:06
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
KiloFiX wrote: Wait, and sorry don't mean to digress, but Winter Soldier was good?
I skipped it thinking it was meh. Guess I should go pick it up.
Yes, it's notable for having an actual plot, rather than a lot of exposition between action scenes. I also thought it would be meh and skipped it at the cinema (along with most of phase 2), but was pleasantly surprised when I watched it on digital release.
Cap 2 was my fave. Now, I don't think it was really the "complex political thriller" it was sold as, even if they shoehorned Robert Redford into it to make that point. But it did have a plot, and didn't treat the audience like a bunch of popcorn-chewing lemmings. I'm also a huge fan of the Winter Soldier source material. I easily could have been very grumpy about their handling of the character, and I wasn't at all.
I haven't seen Avengers 2 yet, but I grew concerned about it after reading that interview with Feige in which he talked about timing action sequences in movies with a stopwatch, and how Avengers 2 was going to come out on top in that department. That's a pretty terrible approach to filmmaking, and positively Bay-like.
I'm also generally a Whedon fan. I was never crazy about Firefly like some folks, but I think the guy obviously has a genuine gift for dialogue. However, he also has a tendency to overdo the banter at times. I feel like he uses it to spackle over rough spots. So it's not surprising to me that there might be some glib overload in this film.
I'll still go see it. Maybe I'll enjoy it a little more since now I'm going in with expectations reset.
Also it really bugged me the way Wanda was able to get the drop on almost the entire team, to within a few inches of them, except Hawkeye. And why not kill any of them? Especially Stark? Wasn't that her entire motivation? And for the love of Jeff Hawkeye if this woman has just taken down your entire team DO NOT use a frakking taser arrow on her- she has demonstrated she's a clear and present threat.
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I thought it was pretty obvious she was using telepathy to hide herself in plain sight. Hawkeye also pretty plainly states that he knew she was there after dealing with Lokis staff induced mind control. It's easy to assume he had a little niggle in his head that told him something was wrong.
Maybe she wanted to toment Stark before killing him? She seemed pretty shocked when he managed to break out of the dream. By then they needed to get out.
As for not killing her, that's just standard MCU. Outside of final movie fights, heroes rarely, if ever, actually kill major nemesis.
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2015/04/26 03:51:26
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
I thought it was pretty obvious she was using telepathy to hide herself in plain sight. Hawkeye also pretty plainly states that he knew she was there after dealing with Lokis staff induced mind control. It's easy to assume he had a little niggle in his head that told him something was wrong.
Maybe she wanted to toment Stark before killing him? She seemed pretty shocked when he managed to break out of the dream. By then they needed to get out.
As for not killing her, that's just standard MCU. Outside of final movie fights, heroes rarely, if ever, actually kill major nemesis.
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See I'd buy the telepathy thing if she had brazenly walked up to them, or muttered a line from the shadows or done *anything* to indicate that was the case. But she sneaks up, hits them, then vanishes quick smart. Her presence is obviously felt. Hawkeye spotting her I would put down to him being Hawkeye, he's supposed to be extremely observant/perceptive. Most of them had no idea what happened to them even after being hit- only Thor seemed aware of what was done (though he incorrectly assumed he'd resisted it).
I know that killing Stark outright would be terrible for the plot, but that's kinda why he can't just go gallivanting around an enemy stronghold- one on combat alert no less- as an unarmed civilian. Like the possibility of running into a mook with a machine gun was nonexistent? That the tremendously valuable and important scepter might have, on I don't know, a guard? Or heaven forbid an Enhanced? But that's what makes it such a dumb move, and that dumb move needs to be covered up by 'well maybe she wants to torment him' when we also get a speech about how badly she wants to kill him. The right way to write that scene is to have the Iron Man suit follow Tony, have her get into his head a bit, then have the suit- not at all fooled by her mind games as she can't sense machines- show up to drive her off. Having Tony snap out of the dream doesn't drive her off- unarmed Stark is woefully underpowered compared to her. Worse yet, when her brother is killed she virtually erupts in power. Confronted with the killer of her parents... meh.. just play with him. It's inconsistent character portrayal.
It felt like the characters in this film were invulnerable. From Stark being untouched by Wanda or his battle with Hulk, the bad guys being unable to hit a downed stationary Hawkeye or Black Widow sitting with him (despite *just* hitting that location), to Cap being able to take a full five beam hit from Ultron dead center and not even get knocked off the speeding truck he's on. I get it's a super hero movie but it felt.. unheroic. Having named bad guys who expressly tell you they want to kill someone, giving them the opportunity and then not just cements that. The plot was going one way and nothing was going to stop it.
That probably makes me sound like I hated it way more than I did. I overall didn't mind it, and much of my irritation is probably due to failed expectations. It's still worth seeing but it's not nearly as good as the first.
thedarkavenger wrote: For those referencing the Thor subplot. It's setting up the major tie in film. Called The Infinity Gauntlet.
My biggest issue with it wasn't what it's supposed to lead up to, but how it was worked into AoU.
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It felt like a chunk of plot had been cut and not replaced, and came across as little more than 'Thor had an idea, wanted the scientist's help, and then suddenly magical dream pool'.
What it sets up doesn't factor in to the point that Thor's wandering off in AoU was pretty badly handled, and ideally needed more focus on what he was doing the entire time to explain his actions and disappearance. As it stands, he walked off, went skinny-dipping, and then suddenly reappears and knows what to do without anybody really knowing why. It felt a bit like a lazy deus ex machina, which is why it needed more screen-time: to explain why it isn't.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
2015/04/26 08:54:29
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
Avatar 720 wrote: It felt like a chunk of plot had been cut and not replaced...
Because it has. This is a 3.5hr film with an hour cut out of it. The DVD release apparently has an extended cut that restores some of the missing stuff.
Decent fun, it wasn't Winter Soldier but then I'm not expecting any super hero movie for a while to measure up. Maybe the extended cut will help it a bit.
Still good fun, but
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I wonder how much the mob with the X-Men license had to pay them to kill who they killed ha
I wish I had time for all the game systems I own, let alone want to own...
2015/04/26 16:35:52
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
Avatar 720 wrote: It felt like a chunk of plot had been cut and not replaced...
Because it has. This is a 3.5hr film with an hour cut out of it. The DVD release apparently has an extended cut that restores some of the missing stuff.
I probably wouldn't watch it for 3.5 hours. I like Ultron and Vision. Mostly because Ultron is a better basically Iron Man in that film. Except he has personality beyond his archetype.
Avatar 720 wrote: It felt like a chunk of plot had been cut and not replaced...
Because it has. This is a 3.5hr film with an hour cut out of it. The DVD release apparently has an extended cut that restores some of the missing stuff.
I probably wouldn't watch it for 3.5 hours. I like Ultron and Vision. Mostly because Ultron is a better basically Iron Man in that film. Except he has personality beyond his archetype.
With 2-parter movies being made and still selling tickets and releasing 13-episode seasons all at once for the explicit expectation of being binge-watched in one sitting, I think people are a but more tolerant of a 3.5 hour movie than you might think. If anything, the restriction on runtime would be more on theaters who want 5 showings per theater per day opposed to 3. If it came down to it, I would probably pay extra money to have seen the 3.5 version in theaters opposed to a potentially disappointing version which is later made whole by a DVD.
Anywho... Sounds like it will be a 'good enuff' popcorn flick. I don't expect perfection, but I am not superhero fan. Ready to see it Friday!
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2015/04/26 19:12:07
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
nkelsch wrote: I think people are a but more tolerant of a 3.5 hour movie than you might think.
Not in a theater with those uncomfortable seats, they aren't. 2.5 hours is about the maximum people care to sit for, with 2 hours even being closer to optimum. Now, when you're at home on your comfortable couch or recliner, it's another story. Then that's why those special editions sell so well, isn't it?
2015/04/26 19:20:48
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
nkelsch wrote: I think people are a but more tolerant of a 3.5 hour movie than you might think.
Not in a theater with those uncomfortable seats, they aren't. 2.5 hours is about the maximum people care to sit for, with 2 hours even being closer to optimum. Now, when you're at home on your comfortable couch or recliner, it's another story. Then that's why those special editions sell so well, isn't it?
Speak for yourself, I´d have no problems with a 4 hour movie.
2015/04/26 20:09:39
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
Saw it, loved it! Everything is fantastic, the character balancing and dialogue is every bit as good as Avengers, and the newcomers to the MCU fitted in perfectly.
Vision stole the show, though, right from the moment he
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Casually picks up Miljnor and copies Thor's cape to his annihilation of the final Ultron.
Nice to see Rhodey and Falcon turn up as well, although I do feel they missed a trick not putting Phil Coulson on the helm of the Helicarrier.
Bring on the 3+ hour edition, I say!
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2015/04/26 21:44:56
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
Verdict - Entertaining but not a tough act to follow for the other BIG movie of the year.
Couldn't agree more. This felt like a visual effects movie first and foremost. Which were good but.. meh.
Also nothing bugs me more than inconsistent depictions or poorly used abilities.
It wasn't Spider-Man 3 bad was it? I'm not going to see the movie opening weekend because I want to make sure it's worth seeing. This was my fear.
Not even close. While some parts were cut awkwardly for a shorter runtime, it was still an enjoyable movie with lots of stuff going boom, and some great character beats along the way. The story was fairly simple, but you need that with so many characters.
At worst, it feels like a middle movie in a franchise.
2015/04/27 01:58:04
Subject: Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...
It's probably something lost to cutting, but I didn't really feel clear on what Ultron's plan actually was. First he wants to save humanity, then he wants to transform humanity (I think?), then he decides to just kill everyone and start over. Maybe that was intentional, given how twitchy and unstable he seemed, like extravagantly rewarding soon-to-be-Klaw, and then ripping his arm off in a fit of pique.
One thing I really liked was the bit near the end about how the fight wasn't about beating the villain, it was proving they were better than him, and the insistence on protecting innocents. Even when fighting the Hulk, Stark was clearly making an effort to save people caught in the destruction and keep the fight away from populated areas. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's easy to read that as a reaction to Man of Steel's final battle.
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
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