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For a while, I thought we were finally free from inane argument-bait LightKing threads. Oh well.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
For a while, I thought we were finally free from inane argument-bait LightKing threads. Oh well.

Oh come on, those were fun. Stupid, but fun. Then again, I feed on conflict and despair so that probably has something to do with my opinion of it.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
In 200 years, Horus conquered the known galaxy. In 10,000 years, Abaddon hasn't even managed to fully open the door of his prison.
After that, he went traitor and didn't do as much conquering.

Read HH: Conquest! He no longer sits on his throne twiddling his thumbs for most of the Heresy.

Anyway, Abaddon's legacy ultimately depends on whether he succeeds or not. He's a different man in a different era, aiming to succeed where Horus failed in a vastly different time period. Comparisons are inevitable by virtue of Abaddon's past but they're pretty pointless, especially while we're still waiting for ADB to pump out a few more novels in the Black Legion series to flesh out his achievements/failures.

EDIT: ADB also pumped out a fantastic blog post on Abaddon

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
In 200 years, Horus conquered the known galaxy. In 10,000 years, Abaddon hasn't even managed to fully open the door of his prison.
After that, he went traitor and didn't do as much conquering.

Read HH: Conquest! He no longer sits on his throne twiddling his thumbs for most of the Heresy.

Anyway, Abaddon's legacy ultimately depends on whether he succeeds or not. He's a different man in a different era, aiming to succeed where Horus failed in a vastly different time period. Comparisons are inevitable by virtue of Abaddon's past but they're pretty pointless, especially while we're still waiting for ADB to pump out a few more novels in the Black Legion series to flesh out his achievements/failures.

EDIT: ADB also pumped out a fantastic blog post on Abaddon

"Failed"? I'd hardly say Horus failed. Sure, he didn't completely kill the Emperor or destroy the IoM but he definitely fethed it up. He did way more than Abaddon, turning several Legions traitor and nearly annihilating the other. What has Abaddon done in comparison?

So I'd think twice before saying Horus failed.

Abaddon>Horus as everything Horus has done is fictional.
Whereas Abaddon has a real legacy, his arms will forever be down the back of my couch.

ADB basically seem to talk smack about Horus in order to talk up Abbaddon.

 ferret61 wrote:
Abaddon>Horus as everything Horus has done is fictional.
Whereas Abaddon has a real legacy, his arms will forever be down the back of my couch.

Alright, I'm sold

LightKing wrote:
he achieved more then Horus and any other Primarch

in the words of Abaddon, a student of Horus that admired him so much

"Horus was weak. Horus was a fool. He had the whole galaxy within his grasp and he let it slip away." - Abaddon


and its funny..that Abaddon not only has a greater legacy then Horus or any of the other primarchs, but he could 1 v1 beat the crap of any of them in a fight (that's current abaddon vs. pre-heresy primarchs)

Well by "legacy" I'm going to assume you mean impact on the galaxy. If that is the case then you are very wrong because if Horus never wounded the emperor I doubt Abby would be alive (The emperor leads a crusade of vengeance vs all traitors is bond not to end well for abby) so Horus didn't only wound the emperor but he is the cause (Bring the traitor primarchs in) of the death/immobility of many loyalist primarchs. Arguably the best primarchs where out of action due to HH so Horus made the galaxy safer for abby to do what he did. Killing any primarch gives you a amazing legacy so that one that killed manus and the other one has a better one then even abby. Making the codex was undoubtedly the most altering thing post heresy done by a primarch so Girlyman has a better one.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
ADB basically seem to talk smack about Horus in order to talk up Abbaddon.

No he isn’t. What he is saying is that Abbaddon is human and wants to stay human. If he wanted to ascend he could, but that would mean that he loses himself to the will of the chaos gods. He is using the chaos gods to an end but doesn’t ultimately serve them. Meaning that in that point of view Abbaddon has done the one thing Horus couldn't, say no to the chaos powers, which makes him stronger. He is in it for himself and to a lesser and very perverted extent humanity. He wasn't detracting form Horus's accomplishment, but rather his motivations and the machinations that moved him. He was a pawn, who was being used by Chaos. Abbaddon saw this, learned form it, and understand the nature of chaos, which means, while Horus was doomed to fail, Abbadon, holding onto his humanity, means that there is a chance he could succeed. Chaos doesn't want to win the long war, they want it to keep going because it is what is most profitable for them. winning means that humanity is destroyed which will cut them off from the most potent source of power they have, humanity's emotions.

 GKTiberius wrote:

 Beaviz81 wrote:
ADB basically seem to talk smack about Horus in order to talk up Abbaddon.

No he isn’t. What he is saying is that Abbaddon is human and wants to stay human. If he wanted to ascend he could, but that would mean that he loses himself to the will of the chaos gods. He is using the chaos gods to an end but doesn’t ultimately serve them. Meaning that in that point of view Abbaddon has done the one thing Horus couldn't, say no to the chaos powers, which makes him stronger. He is in it for himself and to a lesser and very perverted extent humanity. He wasn't detracting form Horus's accomplishment, but rather his motivations and the machinations that moved him. He was a pawn, who was being used by Chaos. Abbaddon saw this, learned form it, and understand the nature of chaos, which means, while Horus was doomed to fail, Abbadon, holding onto his humanity, means that there is a chance he could succeed. Chaos doesn't want to win the long war, they want it to keep going because it is what is most profitable for them. winning means that humanity is destroyed which will cut them off from the most potent source of power they have, humanity's emotions.

Abbaddon want to be Empy, and replace him. I'm sorry but thats the agenda of Abbaddon as he can't be used by Chaos unlike Horus. according to ADB. Honestly all it lacked was: Abbaddon rules and Horus sucks.