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Frazzled wrote: Sorry I quit reading when you went into fantasy land.
Again please cite the Democratic politicians that didn't support the local police union. I should restrict that to politicians that held office.
Again, you either don't understand the point or just refuse to accept it (probably a little of each). Either way, your only response is this:
Spoiler:
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Repubs are constantly putting legislation to 'knock down the police tower of bricks'. The Ohio legislation was a big example of that and why Romney got no endorsement.
"People familiar with the group’s decision said leaders had been disturbed by Mr. Romney’s statements of strong support for several antiunion initiatives, particularly the move in Ohio to restrict the collective-bargaining rights of public-union employees, including police and firefighters. The measure was overturned by voters in Ohio last year."
"“I myself have been a registered Republican my entire life, but that changed this time.”
“Some of my members have flat-out said, ‘I will never again vote for someone who has an R next to their name because of what John Kasich did.’ I will not be voting for Mitt Romney, because he was with the Senate Bill Five people, congratulating them, and has the belief that America should be a right-to-work country. In my opinion, he has no respect for the working man, and, for that alone, I will not vote for him.”"
When Hill runs, she will get total support from fire and police. Don't pretend being 'pro-police' is the same as being 'pro-police union'. You can pass laws which give police power and immunity while still kicking the teeth in of the police unions.
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Frazzled wrote: Sorry I quit reading when you went into fantasy land.
Again please cite the Democratic politicians that didn't support the local police union. I should restrict that to politicians that held office.
Again, you either don't understand the point or just refuse to accept it (probably a little of each). Either way, your only response is this:
Spoiler:
Incorrect because your pouint is what we call...crap. Your attempt to make this a Republican issue is like claiming Obama care is Republican.
1. Its false
2. If there wasn't a union there would still be the blue wall. No organization is ever able to police itself properly. Its the nature of the beast, from doctors to lawyers to shoe salesmen.
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The NAPO is not really a union, it's a lobbying group. The police "union" is the Faternal Order of Police and they typically endorse Republicans (except in 2012, when they endorsed no candidates). They are also larger than the NAPO.
Incorrect because your pouint is what we call...crap. Your attempt to make this a Republican issue is like claiming Obama care is Republican.
1. Its false
2. If there wasn't a union there would still be the blue wall. No organization is ever able to police itself properly. Its the nature of the beast, from doctors to lawyers to shoe salesmen.
And there is where you have proven you don't understand what I am saying. Let's rehash what has been discussed:
1. Cincy blames police unions on the 'wall of silence' and says that police unions need to be reformed to fix it and we need to elect politicians willing to do it.
2. I say that their unions may be a part of the problem, but not the problem. I also accurately explain that police unions historically endorsed Republicans and that Republican efforts to curb public sector union power have almost always exempted police unions. When they haven't, they've failed to be passed.
3. You misinterpret this as me "blaming" the issues with the current state of police on Republicans. 4. Instead of thinking critically on the matter, you instead build a straw man by asking for instances where Democrats didn't support police unions (which has nothing to do with anything we've been discussing).
5. You still fail to understand that the point I was making is that the politicians most likely to curb police union power and influence (i.e.- Republicans) won't do it because they have exempted police unions from public sector union reform (except in Ohio, where it failed to pass).
So once again, Frazz, this isn't "blaming" anyone for anything, nor do I think that their unions are the sole reason we are having this debate today (that was Cincy's initial claim). I'm explaining the current state of affairs which you thus far have not understood: Democrats will most likely not attack any union, public or private. Republicans typically have no qualms attacking unions but have most often exempted police (and firefighters) from said legislation and in return, usually get their endorsement for it.
Do I think attacking their union is going to fix the problem? Probably not, and if anything it will make it worse. The prevailing feeling in cop culture is already one of resentment and the feeling that they are expendable, so any politician openly attacking their union isn't going to help. Their union needs to help change what is wrong with policing in this country, but legislation from anti-union politicians isn't going to get it done.
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Gunshot at scene of protests underscores tension in Baltimore
unshot Monday near a city intersection that saw the worst of the rioting a week ago and became the scene of frequent protests over the death of Freddie Gray underscored continuing tensions in Baltimore.
A fleeing suspect pulled out a revolver, which went off, and no officers fired their weapons, police said, denying conflicting reports from people at the scene. No one was injured, but the incident brought out a crowd of people and dozens of additional officers in riot gear. At least one person was pepper-sprayed as police tried to disperse the crowd.
The suspect was arrested for a gun violation and taken to a hospital "out of an abundance of caution," police said.
The Freddie Gray case not only continued to fray nerves but also sparked a national dialogue on race and economic disparities as President Barack Obama invoked Baltimore on Monday in calling for more opportunities for young men and Gray's family said in a televised interview that perhaps the 25-year-old would "live forever" as a "martyr."
Gray died April 19, one week after his arrest. Prosecutors have charged six police officers involved in his arrest and transport and allege he suffered a spinal injury while not wearing a seat belt in the back of a police van. Police union officials have denied that any of the officers are responsible.
After more than a week of peaceful protests, a confrontation between students and police April 27 outside Mondawmin Mall erupted into violence; crowds threw rocks at police, looted businesses and set fires. Police said Monday they made 486 arrests linked to the unrest.
City, state and federal officials also continued to discuss recovery, and the CVS Health said Monday it was working on plans to rebuild in Baltimore, where two of its damaged drugstores remain closed.
Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake and Health Commissioner Dr. Leana Wen delivered prescription medication to those who couldn't get it from shuttered pharmacies. The city launched an online registry Monday to help the more than 235 businesses affected.
The Rev. Donte L. Hickman of the Southern Baptist Church and a developer pledged to rebuild the Mary Harvin Transformation Center, a Broadway East community center that was burned to the ground in a three-alarm fire on the night of the riots before it was completed.
The National Guard troops who were deployed to Baltimore have left the streets, and the last of them are expected to complete their mission Tuesday, a spokesman said.
About 1,400 remained on duty Monday morning but in various stages of demobilization, no longer "out manning the streets," Col. Charles S. Kohler said.
Kohler said the remaining troops are completing duties such as packing away equipment and performing maintenance on vehicles.
Gov. Larry Hogan activated the guard last Monday, the day of Freddie Gray's funeral, after crowds in the city became violent. By Saturday, 3,000 Guardsmen were supporting police.
On Friday, Baltimore's top prosecutor announced charges against all six police officers involved with Gray's arrest.
The move eased tensions and led to celebratory rallies in the city, but arrests continued as people broke a citywide curfew. The curfew, which was lifted Sunday, required all city residents to stay indoors between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m.
The city remained under a state of emergency on Monday. A spokeswoman for Hogan said Monday morning that the emergency would be lifted soon.
Police did not respond to a request to comment on how the National Guard's removal will affect their deployments in the city.
Meanwhile, a police investigation continues as Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby builds her case. The separate investigations by police and prosecutors have some conflicting findings.
While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a "switchblade," a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was "spring-assisted," which does violate a Baltimore code.
The officers remain free on bail.
When the gunshot Monday caused panic in the street, Daisy Bush, 61, said she rushed to pack up a table of handbags and candies she had been selling outside her shop, D&D Variety Store, on Pennsylvania Avenue.
"It's rough for business; it's rough for everybody," she said.
Bush, who has owned the shop for about 15 years, said the neighborhood had been "in an uproar" for the past week. She said it has been scary not knowing whether she would be safe outside her store.
"I don't think it's ever going to go back to normal," she added. "Our normal is crazy."
State Sen. Catherine Pugh said police allowed the 23-year-old shooting suspect to meet with his mother before he was booked.
"He's doing fine. He was physically checked and had no bullet wounds," Pugh said. "He was very emotional, but he got to see his family. ... It was great to be there."
Pugh, who has gone to the Penn North intersection every night to calm tensions between protesters and police, commended the department for its handling of Monday's incident.
One Baltimore United, a coalition of labor and community groups, called Monday for a civil and economic recovery program "to heal Baltimore," blaming failures in policy for the city's struggles.
They were among many, including lobbyists in Annapolis, who said the urban poverty highlighted in the protests demonstrated the need for further investment in Baltimore's schools, mental health services and transportation.
Obama traveled to the Bronx, N.Y., on Monday to announce a nonprofit organization intended to provide opportunities for young men of color.
"Some communities have consistently had the odds stacked against them," Obama said. "And folks living in those communities, and especially young people living in those communities, could use some help to change those odds."
Community members and families of students at Furman Templeton Elementary School collected enough food for 350 families in a food drive to help residents affected in the riots.
It appears that Mosby was wrong, and that the police did have cause to arrest Grey. (which, having prohibition on knives is absolutely ridiculous tho).
This case is going to be fubar'ed before it even hit the court building... o.O
Mark my words, none of the charges will stick. The driver will cop a plea to reduced charges.
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I can see the Republicans going on the side of peace, condemning these riots and so forth and on the side of police
The Democrats may actually fan the flames
hotsauceman1 wrote: I can see the Republicans going on the side of peace, condemning these riots and so forth and on the side of police
The Democrats may actually fan the flames
I'm not sure I can see either taking sides on the riots themselves.
It's generally accepted that Rioting is bad AND that unreasonable police brutality is bad.
It's the grey in between that really defines the difference between the two parties, and when campaigning, neither really likes to work in that grey.
With that in mind, if the FOP condemns or endorses a particular candidate, that can certainly swing votes.
It'll be very interesting, because the Democratic candidate isn't automatically going to get the black vote like they did with Obama. Hillary could move some female voters, but we won't even remotely see anything like we did with Obama in terms of a specific voting group voting almost unanimously for one candidate. While blacks have historically (recently) favored a Democrat candidate, the 10% jump from 2004 to 2008 is pretty significant.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I can see the Republicans going on the side of peace, condemning these riots and so forth and on the side of police
The Democrats may actually fan the flames
I'm not sure I can see either taking sides on the riots themselves.
It's generally accepted that Rioting is bad AND that unreasonable police brutality is bad.
It's the grey in between that really defines the difference between the two parties, and when campaigning, neither really likes to work in that grey.
With that in mind, if the FOP condemns or endorses a particular candidate, that can certainly swing votes.
It'll be very interesting, because the Democratic candidate isn't automatically going to get the black vote like they did with Obama. Hillary could move some female voters, but we won't even remotely see anything like we did with Obama in terms of a specific voting group voting almost unanimously for one candidate. While blacks have historically (recently) favored a Democrat candidate, the 10% jump from 2004 to 2008 is pretty significant.
You also have to remember, MD is a blue state, with Omalley, the mayor/gov is the one who increased police action on his personal 'war on crime'. So this is hardly something Dems can bang over Repub's heads as the Baltimore situation is the making of a total Blue state where the people who say they have solutions have the power and still can't fix it.
I don't think it will have much play on the national stage because it really is a 'local government' issue. There pretty much isn't a damn thing Hillary could have done or could do when it comes to local governments as she never served as a local executive. Now if the Republican candidate is a mayor/gov, then he can be hammered on what did he do while in office to address social inequities in his state and stem police abuse.
So unless there is an actual discussion about what a candidate did or didn't do when in office at the lower tiers of government... What can the president do except feel bad about it and try to address general social economic issues? Federalize state and local police?
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nkelsch wrote: What can the president do except feel bad about it and try to address general social economic issues? Federalize state and local police?
The fix is at the very least three-fold: 1) Get rid of ridiculous laws that increases the Police vs Citizen confrontation. IE, the loosie cigarette or illegal knives that warrants actual fething arrests. (if you want to deincentivize these behaviors, simply fine them).
2) Speaking of fines, stop empowering the police/state to treat the citizens as another source of tax revenues via fines. That is, do NOT budget based on a certain expectation from revenues generated from fines.
1) & 2) is really the domain of the local/state goverments... however...
3) Nationally, we must have Judicial/Incarceration reforms. If we're honest, is really getting out of hand.
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I personally think that BOTH sides will say something... but they'll both say it wrong, and both will manage to fan the flames of nearly all sides of the issues.
Except for Bernie Sanders, because I think his give-a-damn is broke... he'll just point out what the "actual" underlying problems are
Oh wow. Yea this is going to be a circus. I hope its televised. I'll need a barrel of popcorn.
Having said that: serious charges should have been filed against the driver and the officers responsible for the BG while in custody.
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Frazzled wrote: Oh wow. Yea this is going to be a circus. I hope its televised. I'll need a barrel of popcorn.
Having said that: serious charges should have been filed against the driver and the officers responsible for the BG while in custody.
Arrest being legal or not legal and the injuries while in the vehicle being intentional or not are isolated charges. I feel like the legality of the arrest was to tie the 3 officers at the scene into this as it is very possible they had no involvement in the van itself. (IE: We stuck him in there and that transfers custody and we are done, and the van driver is responsible for securing suspects)
But unless someone breaks and explicitly says "Person X told us to not buckle him in and cause him a rough ride to intentionally injure him" it is going to be Criminally negligent manslaughter all around. (or less if they play the "I thought someone else buckled him in") and no one admits to seeing him unbuckled.
The more silent everyone is, the more this falls on the driver as he had the most opportunity to realize there was an 'issue' and take corrective actions and way too many times when he was exposed to an issue and did nothing. I think they wanted 'someone' to basically break with aggressive charges and roll on the others and that probably isn't happening. +1 for police not talking and getting away with it! Sets a great message for future incidents... Hence Cameras cameras everywhere. We have them on dashes, seems easy enough to have them in the back to record passengers and interactions with passengers.
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Arrest being legal or not legal and the injuries while in the vehicle being intentional or not are isolated charges. I feel like the legality of the arrest was to tie the 3 officers at the scene into this as it is very possible they had no involvement in the van itself. (IE: We stuck him in there and that transfers custody and we are done, and the van driver is responsible for securing suspects)
***AGREED. This is why it screams political to me. Charges should focus on who did the bad things. If the arresting officers did nothing wrong, they aren’t involved.
But unless someone breaks and explicitly says "Person X told us to not buckle him in and cause him a rough ride to intentionally injure him" it is going to be Criminally negligent manslaughter all around. (or less if they play the "I thought someone else buckled him in") and no one admits to seeing him unbuckled.
Or less.
The more silent everyone is, the more this falls on the driver as he had the most opportunity to realize there was an 'issue' and take corrective actions and way too many times when he was exposed to an issue and did nothing. I think they wanted 'someone' to basically break with aggressive charges and roll on the others and that probably isn't happening. +1 for police not talking and getting away with it! Sets a great message for future incidents... Hence Cameras cameras everywhere. We have them on dashes, seems easy enough to have them in the back to record passengers and interactions with passengers.
Agreed.
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nkelsch wrote: I think they wanted 'someone' to basically break with aggressive charges and roll on the others and that probably isn't happening. +1 for police not talking and getting away with it! Sets a great message for future incidents...
Honestly they are doing what ANY halfway smart people would do when facing criminal charges. Lawyer up and shut up. All statements/comms go through your lawyer. To do anything different is very risky.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I think the Eric garner case is proof cameras will do nothing in all homesty.
Buy stock in GoPro/companies offering similar tech, and companies that work the data transmission, storage and retrieval side of the streaming video tech.
Consider it a federally subsidized addition to your retirement plan.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean we had clear proof that there was something wrong done to garner, still no conviction.
I know what you meant.
In my opinion, cameras are a typical lazy 'solution' that does not solve the real underlying problems. Typical, because we tend to throw money at 'stuff' that solves a symptom and then pat ourselves on the back rather than make real changes that may be worth something in the long run.
As horrific as all these recent incidents are, they are a tiny tiny portion of actual LEO interactions with folks. Buying a ton of cameras and the associated data services MAY aid in prosecuting some crap bag LEOs, may help in prosecuting some crap bag criminals, but will not solve what in my opinion is the real problem.
Think about it. Lets use Baltimore as our example. The folks there have elected folks for decades that have put current policies into place. They have had a gakky economic situation which tends to result in higher crime areas. They put cops into those high crime areas (under an appointed Commissioner of Police who works for the elected mayor and was appointed by elected officials) and then are not happy with how those areas are policed. We hire the cops to enforce laws/serve the people. Why are we hiring and appointing folks we don't trust to actually do what we hire and appoint them to do? In many businesses if there is an applicant I don't trust, I don't hire them. If they prove untrustworthy I fire them. But the LEOs have (as has been alluded to) started to see their presence in high crime areas (especially but not exclusively) as an Us vs Them situation. They become loyal to a leader or organization instead of to the mission/people paying their salaries. They've warped their mission into 'CYA' as a priority in many cases. That is destructive to any organization and to what ever cause/purpose that organizations is supposed to exist for.
Cameras don't change those attitudes/policies. They may/will help catch some of the symptoms, but they are not The Solution. They could be incorporated as Part of A Solution, but you need changes in leadership to push changes in attitude and policy if you really want to address the policing issue. I feel we instead have become focused like a laser on the symptom as the problem and are being sold an expensive bandaid that may cover the symptom, but will not fix the problem. At that point we'll be sold another material solution that will enrich someone but again fail to fix the problem. It is a self licking ice-cream cone.
**Note, I am purposely limiting the scope of my diatribe to the policing issue and not the economic/social problems that generate the high crime areas to begin with, those are issues which need to be addressed too.
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When charges were announced Friday against Alicia White for the death ofFreddie Gray, her phone started buzzing from journalists and bail bondsmen.*
The problem was, they were calling the wrong Alicia White. The elementary school cafeteria manager from East Baltimore was not the Baltimore Police sergeant charged with manslaughter in the high-profile police custody death – even though court records listed her.
The middle initial was off. Her address, her height, her weight, her driver’s license number – all of the information was my client’s information,” said Jeremy Eldridge, an attorney who says he has been hired by the resident.
“Her life has been a living hell the past four days,” he said.
An attorney for Lt. Brian Rice said his client’s information was also entered incorrectly when prosecutors filed charges, but declined further comment.
On Friday evening, Tammy and Brian Rice of Brunswick, Md. said they were receiving multiple calls from reporters looking for the lieutenant. Brian Rice of Brunswick is a plumber, they said.
The Baltimore Sheriff’s Office, which assisted the Baltimore State’s Attorney’s Office in charging the officers, declined to comment and referred questions to prosecutors, who could not immediately be reached.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
When charges were announced Friday against Alicia White for the death ofFreddie Gray, her phone started buzzing from journalists and bail bondsmen.*
The problem was, they were calling the wrong Alicia White. The elementary school cafeteria manager from East Baltimore was not the Baltimore Police sergeant charged with manslaughter in the high-profile police custody death – even though court records listed her.
The middle initial was off. Her address, her height, her weight, her driver’s license number – all of the information was my client’s information,” said Jeremy Eldridge, an attorney who says he has been hired by the resident.
“Her life has been a living hell the past four days,” he said.
An attorney for Lt. Brian Rice said his client’s information was also entered incorrectly when prosecutors filed charges, but declined further comment.
On Friday evening, Tammy and Brian Rice of Brunswick, Md. said they were receiving multiple calls from reporters looking for the lieutenant. Brian Rice of Brunswick is a plumber, they said.
The Baltimore Sheriff’s Office, which assisted the Baltimore State’s Attorney’s Office in charging the officers, declined to comment and referred questions to prosecutors, who could not immediately be reached.
I think we're starting to see what some of the underlying problems in the Baltimore criminal justice system are...
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When charges were announced Friday against Alicia White for the death ofFreddie Gray, her phone started buzzing from journalists and bail bondsmen.*
The problem was, they were calling the wrong Alicia White. The elementary school cafeteria manager from East Baltimore was not the Baltimore Police sergeant charged with manslaughter in the high-profile police custody death – even though court records listed her.
The middle initial was off. Her address, her height, her weight, her driver’s license number – all of the information was my client’s information,” said Jeremy Eldridge, an attorney who says he has been hired by the resident.
“Her life has been a living hell the past four days,” he said.
An attorney for Lt. Brian Rice said his client’s information was also entered incorrectly when prosecutors filed charges, but declined further comment.
On Friday evening, Tammy and Brian Rice of Brunswick, Md. said they were receiving multiple calls from reporters looking for the lieutenant. Brian Rice of Brunswick is a plumber, they said.
The Baltimore Sheriff’s Office, which assisted the Baltimore State’s Attorney’s Office in charging the officers, declined to comment and referred questions to prosecutors, who could not immediately be reached.
O.o
Yeesh...
Goes to show the wisdom of Bob McCulloch's of placing the Ferguson case in the Grand Jury.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean we had clear proof that there was something wrong done to garner, still no conviction.
I know what you meant.
In my opinion, cameras are a typical lazy 'solution' that does not solve the real underlying problems. Typical, because we tend to throw money at 'stuff' that solves a symptom and then pat ourselves on the back rather than make real changes that may be worth something in the long run.
As horrific as all these recent incidents are, they are a tiny tiny portion of actual LEO interactions with folks. Buying a ton of cameras and the associated data services MAY aid in prosecuting some crap bag LEOs, may help in prosecuting some crap bag criminals, but will not solve what in my opinion is the real problem.
From another economic angle: cameras also reduce the number of complaints filed against the police, freeing up man hours and dollars defending against those complaints. Cameras have been shown to protect people on both sides of the camera.
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