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(I feel video would have prevent riots... because we wouldn't have had a fraudulent grand jury case and any misconduct would have been prevented or recorded. So I want Videos.)
I still believe you're misinformed on the Ferguson grand jury proceeding, but I'll drop it as I don't want to derail this thread even more.
However, I agree with you, that we should at the very least, investigate the possibility of having recording devices available for the PD. Mind you, it's not a 100% fail safe. But I think it'd do way more good than not.
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Its that rather than working with those in power, they seek hatred and contempt of those in power. I remember hearing that white people shouldn't be part of the movement and if they are not part of orginizing at all but just feet on the ground. If you have that sort of exclusionary towards people and that hated(Think of black brunch) then its likely you will get push back
I think that you are, in many ways right, but it's not that simple.... I think that, by and large, the LGBT community has really taken to the MLK message of "We're Americans, we have rights, and they should be the same as yours". Whereas when you look at the racial issues, you still have many people who, whether they know it or not, are following Malcolm X's lines of reasoning.
And when you get down to it... who would you rather work with toward a "solution", someone who wants to sit down, talk things over and be a reasonable human being; or someone who, at the slightest provocation is going to become heated, and possibly violent and destructive?
Nothing is simple. In reality we know very little of problems. My social inequality proff said "In reality, sociology knows very little, more like 30% of the problem then anything else" and while Im not sure I agree, it is something to ponder. That if people who dedicate their lives to researching inequality know very little of it, then how can the lay man?
Police charges in Freddie Gray case are incompetent at best
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's "quick" and "decisive" action in charging six Baltimore police officers a mere two weeks after the death of Freddie Gray reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.
Alan Dershowitz, the noted defense attorney, sharply criticized her for using her charging power as "crowd control." John Banzahf, a George Washington University law professor, predicted the eventual dismissal of most if not all the charges. The breadth of the charges, Ms. Mosby's overreaching, is all-too-obvious.
Any prosecutor interested in the truth and in justice would have used all the tools at her disposal to find them. Ms. Mosby ignored them. She has one of the most experienced homicide prosecutors in the state of Maryland as chief of her homicide unit, but did not ask him to investigate. She had the police report all of one day before filing charges, her mind already made up. And she failed to make use of the grand jury to gather, probe and test the evidence before a group of average citizens.
In fact, Ms. Mosby was so hasty it appears she locked up two completely innocent officers. She charged Freddie Gray’s arresting officers with “false imprisonment” because she said the knife that Gray had on him was legal. In fact, as The Sun reported, the Police Task Force found it to be illegal after all. It was Ms. Mosby who had no probable cause to lock the arresting officers up, an injustice she could have easily avoided by taking her time.
The Fraternal Office of Police called Ms. Mosby's charges an "egregious rush to judgment." It smacks more of a calculated push to the spotlight, filing charges after a mere two weeks. She conducted her own "parallel" investigation using her police integrity unit (the only unit listed on her published staffing tree missing the name of a supervisor.) She had no time to evaluate the crucial autopsy report, or consult with experts about its implications. In her haste to step into the national limelight, she circumvented normal charging procedures by grabbing a member of the sheriff's office to swear to their truth and file them for her. She calculated her actions for surprise and maximum effect, and she got it.
Published ethical standards prohibit the use of a prosecutor's powers for political (crowd control) or personal (career ambition) purposes. They demand that prosecutors be fair and objective and protect the innocence. Instead Ms. Mosby, without all of the evidence yet available to her, pandered to the public by promising "justice" for Freddie Gray.
In the long run, Ms. Mosby may be undermining the cause of justice rather than promoting it. She has created an expectation of guilt and conviction. If that does not happen, many will blame the system as unfair or unjust, when it may have been Ms. Mosby's own lack of competence and/or arrogance in bringing charges so quickly.
And she has created a new expectation in the city: that police officers who arrest without what she considers to be probable cause (a subjective standard) are subject not just to civil action (the current norm) but criminal action. Mere mistakes, or judgments exercised under duress, can land them in the pokey.
If I were a Baltimore police officer, I'd be looking for another job immediately. And as a Baltimore citizen, I may start looking for someplace else to live. When the police cannot depend upon the state's attorney to be as thorough, competent, non-political and fair with them as she is supposed to be with all citizens, none of us will be safe.
Page Croyder spent 21 years in the Baltimore state's attorneys office, most recently as a deputy state's attorney. Her blog can be seen here: http://pagecroyder.blogspot.com.
TL;DR:
Mosby’s charging of the officers “reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.”
Alan Dershowitz predicts the eventual dismissal of most or all the charges.
Mosby declined use of most experienced homicide prosector in Maryland, as well as the services of a grand jury.
She may well have arrested two completely innocent officers on the basis of false imprisonment [AFB: in which case one wonders if Mosby might find herself charged with false imprisonment].
Mosby circumvented normal charging procedures and simply had several sheriff’s deputies, with no personal knowledge of the events, swear to the truth of the charges and file them on her behalf.
It appears Mosby set aside the fairness and objectivity demanded of prosecutors in a pursuit of personal and political gain.
Mosby may now have laid the foundation for a catastrophic backlash by outraged residents of Baltimore–whom she had led to believe would see officers convicted of murder and manslaughter–should her charges be dismissed because of a paucity of evidence.
Mosby has established a new de facto standard for police conduct in which normal errors of judgment exercised under the duress of a street cop’s daily job can be used not merely to hold them civilly liable but to put them in prison.
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Police charges in Freddie Gray case are incompetent at best
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's "quick" and "decisive" action in charging six Baltimore police officers a mere two weeks after the death of Freddie Gray reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.
Alan Dershowitz, the noted defense attorney, sharply criticized her for using her charging power as "crowd control." John Banzahf, a George Washington University law professor, predicted the eventual dismissal of most if not all the charges. The breadth of the charges, Ms. Mosby's overreaching, is all-too-obvious.
Any prosecutor interested in the truth and in justice would have used all the tools at her disposal to find them. Ms. Mosby ignored them. She has one of the most experienced homicide prosecutors in the state of Maryland as chief of her homicide unit, but did not ask him to investigate. She had the police report all of one day before filing charges, her mind already made up. And she failed to make use of the grand jury to gather, probe and test the evidence before a group of average citizens.
In fact, Ms. Mosby was so hasty it appears she locked up two completely innocent officers. She charged Freddie Gray’s arresting officers with “false imprisonment” because she said the knife that Gray had on him was legal. In fact, as The Sun reported, the Police Task Force found it to be illegal after all. It was Ms. Mosby who had no probable cause to lock the arresting officers up, an injustice she could have easily avoided by taking her time.
The Fraternal Office of Police called Ms. Mosby's charges an "egregious rush to judgment." It smacks more of a calculated push to the spotlight, filing charges after a mere two weeks. She conducted her own "parallel" investigation using her police integrity unit (the only unit listed on her published staffing tree missing the name of a supervisor.) She had no time to evaluate the crucial autopsy report, or consult with experts about its implications. In her haste to step into the national limelight, she circumvented normal charging procedures by grabbing a member of the sheriff's office to swear to their truth and file them for her. She calculated her actions for surprise and maximum effect, and she got it.
Published ethical standards prohibit the use of a prosecutor's powers for political (crowd control) or personal (career ambition) purposes. They demand that prosecutors be fair and objective and protect the innocence. Instead Ms. Mosby, without all of the evidence yet available to her, pandered to the public by promising "justice" for Freddie Gray.
In the long run, Ms. Mosby may be undermining the cause of justice rather than promoting it. She has created an expectation of guilt and conviction. If that does not happen, many will blame the system as unfair or unjust, when it may have been Ms. Mosby's own lack of competence and/or arrogance in bringing charges so quickly.
And she has created a new expectation in the city: that police officers who arrest without what she considers to be probable cause (a subjective standard) are subject not just to civil action (the current norm) but criminal action. Mere mistakes, or judgments exercised under duress, can land them in the pokey.
If I were a Baltimore police officer, I'd be looking for another job immediately. And as a Baltimore citizen, I may start looking for someplace else to live. When the police cannot depend upon the state's attorney to be as thorough, competent, non-political and fair with them as she is supposed to be with all citizens, none of us will be safe.
Page Croyder spent 21 years in the Baltimore state's attorneys office, most recently as a deputy state's attorney. Her blog can be seen here: http://pagecroyder.blogspot.com.
TL;DR:
Mosby’s charging of the officers “reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.”
Alan Dershowitz predicts the eventual dismissal of most or all the charges.
Mosby declined use of most experienced homicide prosector in Maryland, as well as the services of a grand jury.
She may well have arrested two completely innocent officers on the basis of false imprisonment [AFB: in which case one wonders if Mosby might find herself charged with false imprisonment].
Mosby circumvented normal charging procedures and simply had several sheriff’s deputies, with no personal knowledge of the events, swear to the truth of the charges and file them on her behalf.
It appears Mosby set aside the fairness and objectivity demanded of prosecutors in a pursuit of personal and political gain.
Mosby may now have laid the foundation for a catastrophic backlash by outraged residents of Baltimore–whom she had led to believe would see officers convicted of murder and manslaughter–should her charges be dismissed because of a paucity of evidence.
Mosby has established a new de facto standard for police conduct in which normal errors of judgment exercised under the duress of a street cop’s daily job can be used not merely to hold them civilly liable but to put them in prison.
What? You didn't think this was going to happen against Prosecution? It was a goat rope right at the beginning when she laid down charges on Day 0
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Jihadin wrote: If/When body/Helmet cams become standard issue to multiple levels of LEO's. A infrastructure has to be in placed to support, maintain, and to operate at those levels. For what good are body/helmet cams when storage get corrupted, drives lost or misplaced, and gear malfunction happens.
Yep, and my numbers were low (only looked at local cops, not state and fed, and even then the Wiki article I linked to had a much higher number for local cops).
And it is a cost that in SOME places may be worth it. But let the municipalities and counties figure out if it makes sense for them. It sure as hell should not be a federally mandated thing.
And again, it is buying 'stuff' as a bandaid to cover a symptom and not treating the real problem.
Keep electing and appointing officials who allow the attitudes and polices to continue while expecting the attitudes and policies to change is just stupid. At the municipality and county level folks need to elect/appoint folks who are gonna look out for the interests of the local population and not look to CYA. Fire those who don't want to get with the program. Destroy unions who see their mission as protecting the bad along with the good unless the unions can change and only accept the good and come down on the bad themselves.
You can spend tax dollars on 'stuff' all day long. It really will not end up fixing these problems. If throwing money at the problem was always the solution the Baltimore schools would be a whole lot better than they are.
I know as Americans throwing money at problems is becoming The Way, but the problems we are throwing it at are still there, and don't look like they'll be getting fixed anytime soon. Part of this is we continue to misidentify symptoms as The Problem and then only treat the symptom. Pat of it is $$$$ don't seem to always work when it comes to fixing institutionalized attitudes and policies (formal or not). Look at the $$$$ spent on host nation governance in Iraq and Afghanistan. Doing the same in Baltimore or any other US city nets you similar results, no real change and a lot of debt.
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Police charges in Freddie Gray case are incompetent at best
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's "quick" and "decisive" action in charging six Baltimore police officers a mere two weeks after the death of Freddie Gray reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.
Alan Dershowitz, the noted defense attorney, sharply criticized her for using her charging power as "crowd control." John Banzahf, a George Washington University law professor, predicted the eventual dismissal of most if not all the charges. The breadth of the charges, Ms. Mosby's overreaching, is all-too-obvious.
Any prosecutor interested in the truth and in justice would have used all the tools at her disposal to find them. Ms. Mosby ignored them. She has one of the most experienced homicide prosecutors in the state of Maryland as chief of her homicide unit, but did not ask him to investigate. She had the police report all of one day before filing charges, her mind already made up. And she failed to make use of the grand jury to gather, probe and test the evidence before a group of average citizens.
In fact, Ms. Mosby was so hasty it appears she locked up two completely innocent officers. She charged Freddie Gray’s arresting officers with “false imprisonment” because she said the knife that Gray had on him was legal. In fact, as The Sun reported, the Police Task Force found it to be illegal after all. It was Ms. Mosby who had no probable cause to lock the arresting officers up, an injustice she could have easily avoided by taking her time.
The Fraternal Office of Police called Ms. Mosby's charges an "egregious rush to judgment." It smacks more of a calculated push to the spotlight, filing charges after a mere two weeks. She conducted her own "parallel" investigation using her police integrity unit (the only unit listed on her published staffing tree missing the name of a supervisor.) She had no time to evaluate the crucial autopsy report, or consult with experts about its implications. In her haste to step into the national limelight, she circumvented normal charging procedures by grabbing a member of the sheriff's office to swear to their truth and file them for her. She calculated her actions for surprise and maximum effect, and she got it.
Published ethical standards prohibit the use of a prosecutor's powers for political (crowd control) or personal (career ambition) purposes. They demand that prosecutors be fair and objective and protect the innocence. Instead Ms. Mosby, without all of the evidence yet available to her, pandered to the public by promising "justice" for Freddie Gray.
In the long run, Ms. Mosby may be undermining the cause of justice rather than promoting it. She has created an expectation of guilt and conviction. If that does not happen, many will blame the system as unfair or unjust, when it may have been Ms. Mosby's own lack of competence and/or arrogance in bringing charges so quickly.
And she has created a new expectation in the city: that police officers who arrest without what she considers to be probable cause (a subjective standard) are subject not just to civil action (the current norm) but criminal action. Mere mistakes, or judgments exercised under duress, can land them in the pokey.
If I were a Baltimore police officer, I'd be looking for another job immediately. And as a Baltimore citizen, I may start looking for someplace else to live. When the police cannot depend upon the state's attorney to be as thorough, competent, non-political and fair with them as she is supposed to be with all citizens, none of us will be safe.
Page Croyder spent 21 years in the Baltimore state's attorneys office, most recently as a deputy state's attorney. Her blog can be seen here: http://pagecroyder.blogspot.com.
TL;DR:
Mosby’s charging of the officers “reflects either incompetence or an unethical recklessness.”
Alan Dershowitz predicts the eventual dismissal of most or all the charges.
Mosby declined use of most experienced homicide prosector in Maryland, as well as the services of a grand jury.
She may well have arrested two completely innocent officers on the basis of false imprisonment [AFB: in which case one wonders if Mosby might find herself charged with false imprisonment].
Mosby circumvented normal charging procedures and simply had several sheriff’s deputies, with no personal knowledge of the events, swear to the truth of the charges and file them on her behalf.
It appears Mosby set aside the fairness and objectivity demanded of prosecutors in a pursuit of personal and political gain.
Mosby may now have laid the foundation for a catastrophic backlash by outraged residents of Baltimore–whom she had led to believe would see officers convicted of murder and manslaughter–should her charges be dismissed because of a paucity of evidence.
Mosby has established a new de facto standard for police conduct in which normal errors of judgment exercised under the duress of a street cop’s daily job can be used not merely to hold them civilly liable but to put them in prison.
What? You didn't think this was going to happen against Prosecution? It was a goat rope right at the beginning when she laid down charges on Day 0
It appears they'll be needing more space for the rioters. I wonder where in the city the mayor will let them have at it next time?
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
When the people who back blacklivesmatter get offended by alllivesmatter, it certainly gives that impression.
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and when you see the blackbrunch people blaming people who are eating brunch who are not part of the problem, it very much seems like its very much an us versus them.
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
When the people who back blacklivesmatter get offended by alllivesmatter, it certainly gives that impression.
Alllivesmatter totally misses the point of blacklivesmatter...people don't need to be reminded that all lives matter....but people tend to forget that black lives matter.
I dont think people need to be reminded that black lives matter becuase we know this. Just like how there have been several shootings of cops killing white people, but no riots over those.
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
When the people who back blacklivesmatter get offended by alllivesmatter, it certainly gives that impression.
hotsauceman1 wrote:I dont think people need to be reminded that black lives matter becuase we know this. Just like how there have been several shootings of cops killing white people, but no riots over those.
I'm not sure whether this has already been posted or not, but I feel that it illustrates the issue quite nicely:
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
When the people who back blacklivesmatter get offended by alllivesmatter, it certainly gives that impression.
Alllivesmatter totally misses the point of blacklivesmatter...people don't need to be reminded that all lives matter....but people tend to forget that black lives matter.
Which brings out the divisive nature of blacklivesmatter matter, since all lives would indicate Black lives as well as everyone else. It's a victim card movement.
And the Lymphoma and Leukemia Society doesn't give a gak about people with colon cancer or else they would simply merge into the American Cancer Society...
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
When the people who back blacklivesmatter get offended by alllivesmatter, it certainly gives that impression.
hotsauceman1 wrote:I dont think people need to be reminded that black lives matter becuase we know this. Just like how there have been several shootings of cops killing white people, but no riots over those.
I'm not sure whether this has already been posted or not, but I feel that it illustrates the issue quite nicely:
What im saying is that the movement itself have become what is in essence an anti-white movement. I have been to the meetings and seminars. It really is. Its about "Disrupting the white power dynamic and putting them in place"
Baltimore (CNN)The Baltimore police investigation into the death of Freddie Gray doesn't support some of the charges, including the most serious, filed by the Baltimore City State's Attorney, potentially allowing lawyers representing the police officers the opportunity to undercut the prosecution, according to officials briefed on the separate probes conducted by the State's Attorney and police.
Already, defense attorneys are filing motions seeking to exploit differences between the separate state attorney and police investigations.
Lawyers for two officers have challenged a key finding of State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's case: that a knife found on Freddie Gray was legal in Maryland and therefore the officers didn't have a right to arrest Gray. The police investigation found that the knife is illegal under Baltimore city code.
Officials familiar with the probes also say the homicide investigation run by police investigators at most contemplated a manslaughter charge, not second degree murder as Mosby charged one of the officers, Caesar Goodson. To win conviction for murder, prosecutors must prove intent to kill. Manslaughter relates to unintentional killings.
In addition, homicide investigators who were briefed by the medical examiner's office believed the examiner's autopsy report would likely find the cause of death to fall short of homicide, according to one official familiar with the case.
Instead, Mosby said that the medical examiner concluded that Gray's death was a homicide and that Gray's fatal injury to the head occurred in a police transport van that was taking him to the police precinct.
According to an official with Maryland's office of the chief medical examiner, where Gray's autopsy was performed, information was shared with police investigators throughout the process, a common practice. But the official said there is only one conclusion on manner of death and that was contained in the final autopsy report delivered to Mosby on the same day she announced her decision to bring charges.
Another issue could arise from the team Mosby relied on to lead her case: one of her top investigators, Avon Mackel, is a former high-ranking Baltimore police officer who was stripped of his command post in 2009 for failing to follow through on a robbery investigation that two of his officers mishandled and did not report. A Baltimore Sun report said police in the district were accused of classifying serious crimes as lesser in order to log lower crime rates.
In October 2009, four months after his demotion, Baltimore County police sent a SWAT team to Mackel's home, responding a drunken incident in which he was seen holding a gun, according to a police report of the incident obtained by CNN.
Officers said an intoxicated Mackel refused to cooperate and was visibly upset, according to the report provided in response to a public records request. An officer then "observed the barrel of Mackel's handgun hanging over the edge of the molding at the top of the steps and saw Mackel pull the gun out of sight," the report said.
Police used a Taser on Mackel while he was on the phone with his father "crying and yelling," before he barricaded himself in his bedroom. The report doesn't say how the incident ended, but police said there was no arrest. A spokesman for the Baltimore County Police Department said "the [SWAT] tactical unit did assist with this incident, which ended peacefully."
Mackel didn't respond to calls and emails seeking comment. No one answered at his home.
Defense attorneys working on the case are already digging for ways to attack weaknesses in Mosby's case, according to defenders of the officers. Mackel's past, and whether he holds it against the police department, could present opportunities for the defense.
That has lead to concerns among some city officials that if Mosby's case fails to hold up, community reaction could explode again.
"If this case falls apart, then does Baltimore burn?" one official said.
Mosby took pains to distance herself from the police with her separate probe, including using her own investigators and not relying on the 40-plus member police task force set up to look in the death of Freddie Gray.
But that separation could cut both ways.
The police findings -- including those that contradict some of Mosby's investigation -- will now be part of the evidence provided to defense attorneys.
The Baltimore police department has declined to comment on the investigation since it is now in Mosby's hands.
A spokeswoman provided a statement on behalf of Mosby defending the charges.
"While the evidence we have obtained through our independent investigation does substantiate the elements of the charges filed, I refuse to litigate this case through the media," she said in the statement. "The evidence we have collected cannot ethically be disclosed, relayed or released to the public before trial. As I've previously indicated, I strongly condemn anyone in law enforcement with access to trial evidence, who has or continues to leak information prior to the resolution of this case. These unethical disclosures are only damaging our ability to conduct a fair and impartial process for all parties involved."
Mosby has good reason to separate her probe from the police.
There is widespread community distrust of the police. And many critics say letting police departments investigate themselves is partly why alleged excessive use of force incidents by officers rarely draw serious punishment.
Police Commissioner Anthony Batts told CNN in an exclusive interview on Tuesday that Mosby called him about 10 minutes before she told the world about the charges.
However, Batts had an inkling that Mosby was preparing for a surprise move, according to people familiar with the matter, which is why he turned over his department's findings a day ahead of the deadline he had set.
hotsauceman1 wrote: This is something that i got into a very heated debate with my sister. When she mentioned that it is said gays might be getting farther along in civil rights than black civil rights.
I said something that very much might be completely and utterly a hated opinion. ITs because gay rights was never an Us vs. Them mentality. But the Blacklivesmatter and other such movements have very much made it an "Us Vs. Them mentality"
Blacklivesmatter in no way an us versus them mentality. It in no way says that other people's lives don't matter.
When the people who back blacklivesmatter get offended by alllivesmatter, it certainly gives that impression.
Alllivesmatter totally misses the point of blacklivesmatter...people don't need to be reminded that all lives matter....but people tend to forget that black lives matter.
I don't think that's true at all, and that doesn't even make sense. If people believe that all lives matter and don't need to be reminded of that, then by definition they can't forget that black lives matter because black lives are included in all lives. How would one truly believe that life matters but "forget" that black lives matter?
hotsauceman1 wrote: and when you see the blackbrunch people blaming people who are eating brunch who are not part of the problem, it very much seems like its very much an us versus them.
Like all true canines, mess with me eating and I'll bite your face. Woof.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: and when you see the blackbrunch people blaming people who are eating brunch who are not part of the problem, it very much seems like its very much an us versus them.
Like all true canines, mess with me eating and I'll bite your face. Woof.
OT, I just got a new chihuahua, and I tried to take his place from him. I got bit so hard.
Never take from a chihuahua
hotsauceman1 wrote: and when you see the blackbrunch people blaming people who are eating brunch who are not part of the problem, it very much seems like its very much an us versus them.
Like all true canines, mess with me eating and I'll bite your face. Woof.
OT, I just got a new chihuahua, and I tried to take his place from him. I got bit so hard.
Never take from a chihuahua
You should get checked. Rats often have rabies
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
skyth wrote: Because blacks have been dehumanized in American culture. Thus the need for the reminder that they are human and matter as well.
How have they been dehumanized in American culture and who has done this? Which American culture are you talking about? How do you define American culture? You are making a very extreme claim with very loose parameters. Do you have sources for this or are you basing it off of how you feel or what you have seen personally?
skyth wrote: Because blacks have been dehumanized in American culture. Thus the need for the reminder that they are human and matter as well.
How have they been dehumanized in American culture and who has done this? Which American culture are you talking about? How do you define American culture? You are making a very extreme claim with very loose parameters. Do you have sources for this or are you basing it off of how you feel or what you have seen personally?
I'm old. I am very curious on his answers
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hotsauceman1 wrote: and when you see the blackbrunch people blaming people who are eating brunch who are not part of the problem, it very much seems like its very much an us versus them.
Like all true canines, mess with me eating and I'll bite your face. Woof.
Ours were trained from an early age not to be aggressive with food
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