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Hello, so I am recently coming back into the hobby after being taunted by my past collection of units. My question is, why are there so many Codex's / Armys? When I played, you had 1 army. Now, from what I see, people play multiple different armies in conjunction? In addition, on GW's site, there are codex's for things like Harlequins and Khorne. Werent these just part of Eldar/CSM? Or are they individual armies now?

hahahaha the ride never ends, OP.

Iccycoldgaming wrote:
Hello, so I am recently coming back into the hobby after being taunted by my past collection of units. My question is, why are there so many Codex's / Armys? When I played, you had 1 army. Now, from what I see, people play multiple different armies in conjunction? In addition, on GW's site, there are codex's for things like Harlequins and Khorne. Werent these just part of Eldar/CSM? Or are they individual armies now?

It's basically DLC. They'll purposely keep things out of a book to sell you a supplement at the same price later, or similar nonsense. or in the case of Tyranids, make the Codex garbage and sell three (albeit fairly cheap) dataslates to fix it.

-Rulebook
-Chaos space marines
-Crimson Slaughter
-Black Legion
-Khorne Deamonkin
-Deamons
-Tyranids
-Tau
-Farsight
-Eldar
-Iyadan
-Harlequins
-Dark eldar
-Haemonculus covens
-Astra Militarum
-Militarum Tempestus
-Skitarii
-Imperial Knights
-Orks
-Clan Waaagh
-Necrons
-Space Marines
-Blood Angels
-Space Wolves
-Champions of Fenris
-Dark Angels
-Grey Knights
-Sisters of Battle
-Clann Raukann
-Sentinals of Terra
-Legion of the damned
-Inquisition
-Be'lakor
-Hellbrutes
-Cypher
-Tyranic war vets
-Stormwing
-Leviathan
-Exterminatus
-Deathstorm
-IA:1
-IA:2
-IA:3
-IA:4
-IA:5
-IA:6
-IA:7
-IA:8
-IA:9
-IA:10
-IA:11
-IA:12
-IA:13
-Escalation
-Apocolypse
-Cities of Death
-Stronghold Assault
And many data slates I've missed off...

What on earth do you mean TOO MANY BOOKS???


Edit: I put Aeronautica in there and it is already an IA book - silly me over exaggerating.

Don't forget the upcoming second Ad Mech book, with another half a dozen units!

WayneTheGame wrote:

Iccycoldgaming wrote:
Hello, so I am recently coming back into the hobby after being taunted by my past collection of units. My question is, why are there so many Codex's / Armys? When I played, you had 1 army. Now, from what I see, people play multiple different armies in conjunction? In addition, on GW's site, there are codex's for things like Harlequins and Khorne. Werent these just part of Eldar/CSM? Or are they individual armies now?

It's basically DLC. They'll purposely keep things out of a book to sell you a supplement at the same price later, or similar nonsense. or in the case of Tyranids, make the Codex garbage and sell three (albeit fairly cheap) dataslates to fix it.

Basic concept, but not entirely true. There are also more units than ever available in the game. More units require more books, though GW does tend to stretch some of the books pretty thin to make "standalone codex's".

Half a dozen? That's a lot more than some! They're out doing themselves now!

Poly Ranger wrote:

Spoiler:

-Rulebook
-Chaos space marines
-Khorne Deamonkin
-Deamons
-Tyranids
-Tau
-Farsight
-Eldar
-Iyadan
-Harlequins
-Dark eldar
-Astra Militarum
-Militarum Tempestus
-Skitarii
-Imperial Knights
-Orks
-Necrons
-Space Marines
-Blood Angels
-Space Wolves
-Dark Angels
-Grey Knights
-Clann Raukann
-Sentinals of Terra
-Legion of the damned
-Inquisition
-Be'lakor
-Hellbrutes
-Cypher
-Tyranic war vets
-Stormwing
-Leviathan
-Exterminatus
-Deathstorm
-IA:1
-IA:2
-IA:3
-IA:4
-IA:5
-IA:6
-IA:7
-IA:8
-IA:9
-IA:10
-IA:11
-IA:12
-IA:13
-Escalation
-Apocolypse
-Cities of Death
-Stronghold Assault
And many data slates I've missed off...

What on earth do you mean TOO MANY BOOKS???


Edit: I put Aeronautica in there and it is already an IA book - silly me over exaggerating.

Might as well add Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, Clan Waaagh (or whatever that's called) as well, off the top of my head.

Oops - pressed quote not edit.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Half a dozen? That's a lot more than some! They're out doing themselves now!

Let's see...battle-bots, tracked-bots, HQ dude, and flail priests. So 4.

Skitarii has four different infantry selections, two different strider things, and the mecha-crab. So 7 total. I'm also being generous with the strider things, as they're functionally a weapon swap.

All together, between the two books, they can't even break 12. I get that Ad Mech is cool and all, and many are excited, but what a fething joke that is on GW's behalf. Its almost as bad as the Militarum Tempestus book.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Oops - pressed quote not edit.

I remember my first time on a forum.

 jasper76 wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:

Spoiler:

-Rulebook
-Chaos space marines
-Khorne Deamonkin
-Deamons
-Tyranids
-Tau
-Farsight
-Eldar
-Iyadan
-Harlequins
-Dark eldar
-Astra Militarum
-Militarum Tempestus
-Skitarii
-Imperial Knights
-Orks
-Necrons
-Space Marines
-Blood Angels
-Space Wolves
-Dark Angels
-Grey Knights
-Clann Raukann
-Sentinals of Terra
-Legion of the damned
-Inquisition
-Be'lakor
-Hellbrutes
-Cypher
-Tyranic war vets
-Stormwing
-Leviathan
-Exterminatus
-Deathstorm
-IA:1
-IA:2
-IA:3
-IA:4
-IA:5
-IA:6
-IA:7
-IA:8
-IA:9
-IA:10
-IA:11
-IA:12
-IA:13
-Escalation
-Apocolypse
-Cities of Death
-Stronghold Assault
And many data slates I've missed off...

What on earth do you mean TOO MANY BOOKS???


Edit: I put Aeronautica in there and it is already an IA book - silly me over exaggerating.

Might as well add Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, Clan Waaagh (or whatever that's called) as well, off the top of my head.

As if I forgot! Done!

Champions of Fenris, Haemonculus Covens,...


Instead of giving us a nice new Ad mech army, they release one hardback 30 pound Ad mech book with 4 units in it every 3 months.

Bottom line: you need to spend more than what the main rulebook costs to have all the rules materials necessary to field ONE of your armies with all options available. Extreme example: Grey Knights, who got half their unit roster stripped and sold separately as digital-only now.

Also another interesting little thing OP is that some hardback codexes have a shelf life of 2 years now. Like the 2013 Codex Eldar.

Or even better - hardbacks with a shelf life of one year, like the Imperial Knights. Fun times indeed.

 Blacksails wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Half a dozen? That's a lot more than some! They're out doing themselves now!

Let's see...battle-bots, tracked-bots, HQ dude, and flail priests. So 4.

Skitarii has four different infantry selections, two different strider things, and the mecha-crab. So 7 total. I'm also being generous with the strider things, as they're functionally a weapon swap.

All together, between the two books, they can't even break 12. I get that Ad Mech is cool and all, and many are excited, but what a fething joke that is on GW's behalf. Its almost as bad as the Militarum Tempestus book.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Oops - pressed quote not edit.

I remember my first time on a forum.

Lol yeh I was thinking inquisition had 2. But then there are 2 special characters and 5 different transports.

Not everybody will ally. My entire group will stick to one army. The only exception maybe is to include forgeworld units. We don't even consider allies. It's not a house rule, we're just not interested in doing it. Not even when playing sisters. And I've never missed allies.

SISTERS!

 Sir Arun wrote:
Champions of Fenris, Haemonculus Covens,...


Instead of giving us a nice new Ad mech army, they release one hardback 30 pound Ad mech book with 4 units in it every 2 months.

Bottom line: you need to spend more than what the main rulebook costs to have all the rules materials necessary to field ONE of your armies wirh all options available.

I really, really wish they had just charged twice as much for the book, and made it 1 fat book with all the models together, that could be fielded together in a single detachment.

That's assuming there won't be a third admech codex that has all those units plus some.

Um... let's see:

- Space Marines, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marines, Tyranids, Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Space Wolves, Orks, Necrons, Tau Empire, Grey Knights, Astra Militarum (Imperial Guard) and Chaos Daemons -> These books contain all the rules necessary to field their titular armies.

- Militarum Tempestus: (aka Stormtroopers) Standalone Imperial Guard sub-faction. Some miniatures and rules overlap with Imperial Guard, but otherwise contains unique rules.

- Imperial Knights: Superheavy walkers-only army. A codex in its own right, Imperial Knights can also be deployed as a plug-in for Imperial armies.

- Inquisition: Formerly part of Codex: Grey Knights. Can be fielded as an independent army or as a plugin for Imperial armies.

- Adepta Sororitas: Rules for fielding Sisters of Battle. Available through digital download only.

- Khorne Daemonkin: Joint Khorne-themed CSM and Chaos Daemons army, independent of Codex: Chaos Space Marines.

- Adeptus Mechanicus: Skitarii. Part I of the AdMech faction. Provides rules and miniatures for the military branch of the Mechanicus.

- Adeptus Mechanicus: Cult Mechanicus (tba): Part II of the AdMech faction. Provides rules for the religious troops of the Adeptus.

- Sentinels of Terra, Clan Raukaan, Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, Waaagh! Ghazghkull, Farsight Enclaves, Champions of Fenris, Haemonculus Covens: Supplements. Provide rules for themed sub-factions. Require the main Codex to play.

- Leviathan Rising (Tyranid Vanguard, Tyranid Invasion, Tyranid Onlsaught), Tau Firebase Cadre, Tyrannic War Veterans, Reclusiam Squad, The Unrelenting Hunt, Kranon's Hellguard, Helbrutes, Strike Force Ultra, Adeptus Astartes Stormwing, Khârn's Butcherhorde: Dataslates. Provide formations (groupings of units with special rules attached) for armies. Requires the main faction codex to play.

- Cypher, Be'lakor, Officio Assassinorum: Dataslates. Provide units that can be used under various armies.

- The Red Waaagh!, Hour of the Wolf, Shield of Baal: Campaign books. Narrative campaigns with missions and additional rules for two or more armies.

Yay, it's as complicated as it sounds.

^yeh I give up - there's at least a dozen there I didn't write in. It's like Black Adder re-writing the dictionary, there's so many.

Iccycoldgaming wrote:
Hello, so I am recently coming back into the hobby after being taunted by my past collection of units. My question is, why are there so many Codex's / Armys? When I played, you had 1 army. Now, from what I see, people play multiple different armies in conjunction? In addition, on GW's site, there are codex's for things like Harlequins and Khorne. Werent these just part of Eldar/CSM? Or are they individual armies now?

You should turn away, and RUN. Don't get back into 40K. Spend some quality time with your family, read a good book, go serve food to the homeless, get a second job, go back to school... just don't get back into 40K.

Just wait until Codex Dark Angels followed by Codex Deathwing and Codex Ravenwing.

Im just waiting for
Codex : Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squad.

Poly Ranger wrote:
^yeh I give up - there's at least a dozen there I didn't write in. It's like Black Adder re-writing the dictionary, there's so many.

You can take away I:5-7 though. Replaced with Imperial Armour: Vraks. See? Less books needed!

the ancient wrote:
Im just waiting for
Codex : Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squad.

3 new Special rules for units that already exist. 29 pages of full color hard back for the low low price of $49.95.

bullyboy wrote:
Just wait until Codex Dark Angels followed by Codex Deathwing and Codex Ravenwing.

You jest now, give it a few months and we'll see if you're still laughing at the end of the year.

the ancient wrote:
Im just waiting for
Codex : Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squad.

And the supplement's supplement: Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squads. Jim, Bob, and Roger.

Followed by the next two releases of more named scouts, all with the same stat line but they all get the TINIEST change. $50 hardcopy while supplies last.

 luky7dayz wrote:

the ancient wrote:
Im just waiting for
Codex : Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squad.

And the supplement's supplement: Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squads. Jim, Bob, and Roger.

Followed by the next two releases of more named scouts, all with the same stat line but they all get the TINIEST change. $50 hardcopy while supplies last.

Don't forget the mandatory xenos dex follow-up: Space Marine. 10th Company. 4th Squads. Jim, Bob, and Roger join the tau.

Obviously a 100 pound Exclusively Limited Edition of 333 issues with their own special issue gear that is only shown on the cover.

Poly Ranger wrote:
^yeh I give up - there's at least a dozen there I didn't write in. It's like Black Adder re-writing the dictionary, there's so many.

Lol, putting that list together took me more than 40 minutes. And I left out Shield of Baal II, Legion of the Damned and (ouch!) Blood Angels.

Oh you missed the Waaaaagh! Ghazghkull Supplement which gives more warlord traits, more relics, more formations and detachments. Also it's got the Orks Altar of War and Echoes of War missions.

Playing devils advocate, I would rather have a game with loads of OPTIONS over a game that has 2 books or less and that's it... Looking at you Dreadfleet.