Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Wow, an Iron Hands special character, never thought I'd see the day, hehe, hope it's true!

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Redeemers and crusaders are FA?...the feth?!...

So you can now have 6 LR in an army, assuming the guy don't take 3x3 termies just to had 3 more LR...

And CSM LR are still limited to 10 models...

If it makes you feel better, the base Loyalist Land Raider is also limited to 10 models, with the Crusader holding 16 and the 'Deemer holding 12.

If it was up to me Chaos would totally have a bigass transport of some kind that could hold the big Marine blobs you can take in the list, because they'd get way more use out of it than the Loyalists who have all of what, 2-3?, units that can actually fill a LRC without using large amounts of ICs.

 Heliodore wrote:
Wow, an Iron Hands special character, never thought I'd see the day, hehe, hope it's true!

Except, you know, the Badab War one and the HH ones...

 warboss wrote:

 Heliodore wrote:
Wow, an Iron Hands special character, never thought I'd see the day, hehe, hope it's true!

Except, you know, the Badab War one and the HH ones...

In all technicalities, Cal is from an Iron Hands successor. He just uses the same rules. It's nice but simply isn't the SAME, ya know?
Horus Heresy definitely has quite a few, but that's a different game system.

I am hoping Legion of the Damned will at least be moved to a data slate... I haven't even painted mine yet.

 SickSix wrote:
I am hoping Legion of the Damned will at least be moved to a data slate... I haven't even painted mine yet.

I kitbashed a counts-as squad. Sitting primed, waiting. If we loose LotD in the codex, not sure what I’m going to do with them. No way am I shelling out for a one unit “codex”.

 SickSix wrote:
I am hoping Legion of the Damned will at least be moved to a data slate... I haven't even painted mine yet.

Aren't they already one?

Whiskey144 wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Redeemers and crusaders are FA?...the feth?!...

So you can now have 6 LR in an army, assuming the guy don't take 3x3 termies just to had 3 more LR...

And CSM LR are still limited to 10 models...

If it makes you feel better, the base Loyalist Land Raider is also limited to 10 models, with the Crusader holding 16 and the 'Deemer holding 12.

If it was up to me Chaos would totally have a bigass transport of some kind that could hold the big Marine blobs you can take in the list, because they'd get way more use out of it than the Loyalists who have all of what, 2-3?, units that can actually fill a LRC without using large amounts of ICs.

Like a Spartan?

 warboss wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I am hoping Legion of the Damned will at least be moved to a data slate... I haven't even painted mine yet.

Aren't they already one?

Yes but it seems lately that supplements are being invalidated by new main codexes.

This would be more like Harlequins not being in either Eldar book because they have their own book now though rather than the Iyanden situation.

 Dinamarth wrote:
Like a Spartan?

I was thinking of something that's on the side of "not going to cost the soul of your firstborn", point-wise. Spartans are expensive models, and will pretty easily hit 300+ points. With the widespread availability of big Chaos Marine squads, I'd say it'd be better to have a long-wheelbase Rhino that's either open topped or an assault ramp.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Heliodore wrote:
Wow, an Iron Hands special character, never thought I'd see the day, hehe, hope it's true!

Except, you know, the Badab War one and the HH ones...

In all technicalities, Cal is from an Iron Hands successor. He just uses the same rules. It's nice but simply isn't the SAME, ya know?
Horus Heresy definitely has quite a few, but that's a different game system.

Yup, thanks Slayerfan, I figured since this was a rumor thread for a new Adeptus Astartes Codex for Games Workshop's 40k system that it was clear enough that I was specifically speaking within the confines of the 7th edition 40k system with regards to Iron Hands, not Sons of Medusa, not FW's HH system. I was just thinking back on the release of the 5th edition codex, and then the 6th edition codex, and finally the Clan Raukaan supplement and how each time an Iron Hands character was anticipated, but no dice, hehe.

No Honour Guard? Pah! Blasphemy!

No Honor Guard kinda screws me considering I bought an Honor Guard unit prebuilt, painted, complete with Banner and Axes... REALLY hope that's wrong or there is a replacement. Seems kinda messed if there is no more use for those fancy Ultramarines models too all Aquilla-d out.

darkcloak wrote:
No Honour Guard? Pah! Blasphemy!

God, I hope that's not true. Was just about to kitbash an Honour Guard squad.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
No Honour Guard? Pah! Blasphemy!

God, I hope that's not true. Was just about to kitbash an Honour Guard squad.

I was just about to start painting my kitbashed squad. I would be okay if they just combined the Honour Guard and Command Squad though. Being able to give a chapter master FNP by virtue of the Apothecary would be quite good. It is dumb you can't take an Apothecary with a Chapter Master in the first place. If the HG is, in fact, gone, I will just have to UN-kitbash them.

Honestly, I can see them cutting Honour Guard quite easily; the only "official" models are with Calgar, so instead make Calgar a "unit" with "Ultramarine Honour Guard" only available to him.

Of course, cutting Honour Guard will nerf heavily melee Marines; they're by far the best close combat unit in the codex alongside TH+SS AssTermies, I rely on them extensively with my minotaurs, and should they be cut I honestly don't know what I'd do with my 10 converted models which represent a key element of my "triple threat" assault force.

Probably use Legion rules and run the whole force as Imperial Fists; Templar Bretheren and Moloc a Praetor with a Paragon Blade, Storm Shield and so on.

 Nevelon wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I am hoping Legion of the Damned will at least be moved to a data slate... I haven't even painted mine yet.

I kitbashed a counts-as squad. Sitting primed, waiting. If we loose LotD in the codex, not sure what I’m going to do with them. No way am I shelling out for a one unit “codex”.

For what it's worth, aside from the relic they can take, the profiles age exactly the same as those in the SM book, and their Detachment is simply 1-3 squads. Just keep your current book for reference and I doubt you'll run into any problems.


As for Honour Guard, I can't see them going. Seeing as BA Command Squads and their functional equivalent of HG (SangGuard) are now both in Elites, I can see them possibly moving there.

Calgar moving to LoW is understandable(in relation) with Gaz, Draigo, and others being moved. I do not like GW's decision to have them moved in the first place. Unfortunately Many game groups simply do not allow LoW''s of any type. So for many smurf players, Calgar is pseudo cut from the codex.

I feel like any game group of people you're friends with won't give a damn that Calgar or Ghaz got put in a LoW slot, especially if they were HQs you ran regularly when they were still in that slot.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I feel like any game group of people you're friends with won't give a damn that Calgar or Ghaz got put in a LoW slot, especially if they were HQs you ran regularly when they were still in that slot.

I'm a vocal opponent of GW shoving apoc in every orifice of "normal" 40k and I don't see any problem with using *THOSE* LOW. Frankly, character LOW are theoretically annoying (wtf can't marneus calgar, chapter master of the ultramarines, lead the army without having a minion HQ under him?) but not unbalanced overall. It was stupid to move them into that category along with superheavies and gargantuans and they have as much in common with them as heavy support grots would with battlewagons. If someone is not allowing those then they're really throwing out the baby with the bathwater and not even bothering to hold true to what 40k used to be.

I wholly agre. I can understand a "no superheavies/gargantuan creatures" rule on a group, but "no HQs that are slightly tougher than regular HQs" is silly.

My main concern about this Iron Hands character is that he sounds like yet another beatstick HQ that is on foot. Like Sicarius, Vulkan, Helbrecht and the Imperial Fists guy he will move slow as hell and just get shot up. I don't see the use in including him if he'll never get used like the three I mentioned. What I want is more options for creating my own custom CM or Captain- being able to buy special rules or abilities. But I know that will never happen.

 warboss wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
I am hoping Legion of the Damned will at least be moved to a data slate... I haven't even painted mine yet.

Aren't they already one?

Yes, they already have their own codex.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Codex-Legion-of-the-Damned.html

I know it will never happen, but I'd like to see the new Adeptus Astartes codex ONLY represent chapters that are 'custom' and not part of one of the 9 original chapters featured. Not only would it put a greater emphasis on creating your own narrative, but it would allow each of the other chapters to have their own codices.

Again, I know it won't happen... it's not exactly "fluffly" since the chapters are all ostensibly following the Codex Astartes. I just feal like the ultramarines have really had their day in the sun. They are super tired at this point and as a Dark Angels player who currently enjoys the most recent DA codex, I think that other players should have the chance to enjoy the same thing...

Wouldn't it be amazing if each of the 9 original chapters had their own book - detailing not only them but their successors? Imperial Fists, Crisom Fists, and Black Templars would all fit nicely into a single book. I think the White Scars could do with a book of their own, and so could the raven guard (actually the Raven Guard could really use one... SM special rules really don't lend themselves to a chapter that is supposed to relly so heavily on stealth).

Salamanders would be an amazing one as well

I think that if each army got the attention it deserved, it could easily accommodate a book's worth of special rules to fit their playstyles. And if you wanted to go the Ultramarines... you get them in a book + the rules for other 'generic' marines. Anything that would adhere strictly to the codex astartes.

... it's nice to dream isn't it!

A flawed idea, as all the loyalist chapters are descended from the 9 loyalist legions.

 Azreal13 wrote:
A flawed idea, as all the loyalist chapters are descended from the 9 loyalist legions.

Blood Ravens?

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
A flawed idea, as all the loyalist chapters are descended from the 9 loyalist legions.

Blood Ravens?

Silver Skulls?

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
A flawed idea, as all the loyalist chapters are descended from the 9 loyalist legions.

Blood Ravens?

Nobody knows for sure.

Exorcists?