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 Talys wrote:
@Sidstyler - you know, those scenic bases will ultimately save me from spending $1.50 a base to buy Secret Weapons Miniature bases. Even if I don't use them on these models, I'll certainly use them somewhere.

If the cost of minis seems expensive, the cost of bases seems crazy O.o.

Honestly yeah, they are kinda expensive. Once had ideas of doing an entire army in resin bases but I only ever bought a few of them before giving up and sticking with plain sand. I only like scenic bases for characters or more "important" models anyway, and I still have two tubs of slate I can use if I want (I was mostly buying slate bases anyway).

But yeah, it'll make a few models look cool I guess, but it would have been even cooler to get actually useful bits for the squad themselves instead of "wasting" space on base decoration (especially when a full squad of 10 is going to cost you $82). For other models in flight it kinda makes sense, I still don't like it but as I said before it's "toe on tall scenic base represents flight" so you kinda have to put up with it. All these guys are clearly on the ground in running poses, though, so it just makes me feel like the bits are unnecessary. And obviously GW has no incentive to provide extra bits because they just assume people who want an entire squad with eviscerators will literally buy ten boxes worth of Marines (over $400 worth of models) to get the necessary bits for the one squad, and then they pat themselves on the back thinking that they're geniuses.

I see a lot of people just fielding plain assault squads with maybe an eviscerator sergeant and saying "All these guys have eviscerators" instead. I mean chainswords look so similar to them anyway I imagine most won't have a problem with it.

 uk_crow wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 uk_crow wrote:
So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says

There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.

A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!

Sure, repentia marines! Next, an astartes exorcist with AV14 all around, and shooting 2D6 missile instead!

I'm sure GW will allow Sisters of Bitter Battle to keep that, SM already have this:

Spoiler:

or this:

Spoiler:

I think you meant to post:

@crazyterran, I contemplated that but I wanted just AV14 platforms.

 uk_crow wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 uk_crow wrote:
So on the Whats New Today Blog on GW its says

There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.

A whole squad of eviscerator wielding marines is a glorious image!

Sure, repentia marines! Next, an astartes exorcist with AV14 all around, and shooting 2D6 missile instead!

I'm sure GW will allow Sisters of Bitter Battle to keep that, SM already have this:

Spoiler:

or this:

Spoiler:

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SM already had chain fists, that did not stop GW from giving them eviscerator, even though from a rule point of view they are incredibly similar. The Astartes Department of Redundancy Department of the Astartes is at work already.

An Eviscerator makes perfect sense for Space Marines, though...

 thenoobbomb wrote:
An Eviscerator makes perfect sense for Space Marines, though...

It makes sense for anyone who wants one.


Which leads to this...

What's New Today wrote:There are new weapons in the box, too, such as the eviscerator wielded by this Sergeant. It’s not just a weapon for officers, though – any Space Marine in the squad can carry this tank-shredding blade.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
An Eviscerator makes perfect sense for Space Marines, though...

So does an exorcist, am I right? And assault marines using two pistols with Hit and Run too! And Acts of Faith!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
An Eviscerator makes perfect sense for Space Marines, though...

So does an exorcist, am I right? And assault marines using two pistols with Hit and Run too! And Acts of Faith!

Eviscerators are NOT "signature weapons" of Sisters. They really aren't.

If they were Eviscerators equipped with Executioners, I could understand your being upset--but it's a two-handed chainsword.
Do you think that the Sisters manufacture Eviscerators themselves and have a "NO BOYS ALLOWED" sign over the doors of Eviscerators'R'Us?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Eviscerators are NOT "signature weapons" of Sisters. They really aren't.

What is? Serious question. Bolters? Melta? Flamers? Or any derivative of those, that are all accessible to at least one space marine chapter?

 Kanluwen wrote:
If they were Eviscerators equipped with Executioners, I could understand your being upset--but it's a two-handed chainsword.

I do not even know what an executioner is. The eviscerator was introduced into 40k, as far as I know, in the Inquisitor game, as a weapon wielded by Devote Malicant from the Redemptionist. It has since been a staple of the crazy zealots, usually priests.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you think that the Sisters manufacture Eviscerators themselves and have a "NO BOYS ALLOWED" sign over the doors of Eviscerators'R'Us?

Actually, almost. The Eviscerators are usually very crude weapons, made by those who uses them. Back in 2003, when we had a codex, there was a White Dwarf article with rules for playing mobs of crazies, and you could take one eviscerator for every 5 models. The description was pretty clear that they made the weapons themselves, and the quality was rubbish. Which made little sense given it was hitting as hard as a power fist, though.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
If they were Eviscerators equipped with Executioners, I could understand your being upset--but it's a two-handed chainsword.

I do not even know what an executioner is. The eviscerator was introduced into 40k, as far as I know, in the Inquisitor game, as a weapon wielded by Devote Malicant from the Redemptionist. It has since been a staple of the crazy zealots, usually priests.

I believe they both came to Necromunda first, for the Red Redemption. Executioners are single-shot flamethrowers that could be attached to other weapons - sort of like a DIY combi-flamer.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you think that the Sisters manufacture Eviscerators themselves and have a "NO BOYS ALLOWED" sign over the doors of Eviscerators'R'Us?

Actually, almost. The Eviscerators are usually very crude weapons, made by those who uses them. Back in 2003, when we had a codex, there was a White Dwarf article with rules for playing mobs of crazies, and you could take one eviscerator for every 5 models. The description was pretty clear that they made the weapons themselves, and the quality was rubbish. Which made little sense given it was hitting as hard as a power fist, though.

Did you ever stop to think that the description wasn't for Eviscerators in general, but specific to that White Dwarf article's topic?

 AlexHolker wrote:
I believe they both came to Necromunda first, for the Red Redemption.

Oh, okay. I was not around when Necromunda was released. Still linked to the Redemptionists and the crazed zealot theme.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did you ever stop to think that the description wasn't for Eviscerators in general, but specific to that White Dwarf article's topic?

Okay. So, what are Sisters signature weapons for you? And how are eviscerator not signature weapons for the crazy religious zealots of 40k with little sense or training?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Did you ever stop to think that the description wasn't for Eviscerators in general, but specific to that White Dwarf article's topic?

Okay. So, what are Sisters signature weapons for you? And how are eviscerator not signature weapons for the crazy religious zealots of 40k with little sense or training?

Melta-Flamer-Bolter

There's a reason it's called the "Holy Trinity" of weapons. And while certainly Marines have access to the same options, having access to the option is not the same as always seeing it.

When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.

Can we take the SOB talk to an SOB thread? Geeze, Hybrid.

Also, today is looking to be a reckoning for made-up SM rumors. Time to update the tracker!

Ooh look, people talking about Sisters in a non-Sister thread.

Again.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.

No-one else has a rift cannon or plasma cannon toting terminators

 angelofvengeance wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.

No-one else has a rift cannon or plasma cannon toting terminators

Give it time

 pretre wrote:
Can we take the SOB talk to an SOB thread? Geeze, Hybrid.

Also, today is looking to be a reckoning for made-up SM rumors. Time to update the tracker!

After some updates, Vela and Steve took a lot of hits. No surprise there.

 pretre wrote:
Can we take the SOB talk to an SOB thread? Geeze, Hybrid.

Also, today is looking to be a reckoning for made-up SM rumors. Time to update the tracker!

Have new rumours started to emerge then??? Can't be too long till we start getting details about formations, rules, points etc

 Kanluwen wrote:
Melta-Flamer-Bolter

There's a reason it's called the "Holy Trinity" of weapons. And while certainly Marines have access to the same options, having access to the option is not the same as always seeing it.

So Marines getting access to eviscerator is okay because eviscerators are not Sister signature weapons, and marines getting access to Sister signature weapons is okay too, because… uh, marine should have ALL THE THINGS AND THEN SOME MORE.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
When it comes to the Imperium it seems things are "unique" and "signature" right up until GW decides to just give it to the rest of the Imperial armies.

“The rest of the Imperial armies” means “Space Marines of Various Color” here, am I right?

Anyone able to figure out the Raven Guard cover for the limited edition codex? Too much glare for these four eyes to tell...

I'm to the point now where I wish Sisters would get squatted.

General Hobbs wrote:
I'm to the point now where I wish Sisters would get squatted.

Welcome to the club.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'm to the point now where I wish Sisters would get squatted.

Likewise. "But what about Sisters?" should get a one week ban for posters.

General Hobbs wrote:


I'm to the point now where I wish Sisters would get squatted.

Nah, just spin them off out of 40k along with Chaos Marines into their own game where the players have their codex books, rules, and models completely replaced with an update every single year. Chaos players will rejoice because they'll be the top most powerful and flavorful armies half the time and sisters players will be happy because they'll have the most modern and up to date army around. The rest of us win because they'll be complaining about something else in a new subforum instead of in every thread where someone else gets something they don't. The only thing that could improve that scenario is if the game was ONLY for sale in the Australia GW site at local Oz prices for the whole world so we kill three birds with one stone.

Best we end this tangent here thanks.

Further posts about the SOB/and releases not relevant to this thread will be treated as spam.

 Looky Likey wrote:
If GW did this properly the codex should contain all of the base units and each founding chapter, both chaos and loyalist, should then have a supplement with their unique units, wargear, relics, characters and formations. That way GW can sell twice as many books. Fat chance of it happening though, GW's track record does not suggest that they will follow this approach, they would rather piece meal out the launches over a number of months to spread out the sales.

Indeed

The recent "Special needs" faction codexes have been horribly short on fluff and actual rules apart from abominations such as the Sleigh and the Murder Dreadnought from Murder world with his murder fists - sigh..........

The recent retcon that aparently the Dark Angels are a super secret Legion was a bit poor - now if these Codexes actually gave some decent formations, characters and rules for say all successor Chapters of the First Founding Chapters itmight have been interesting but the desperation to generate "themed" units for these Chatpers is very annoying - especially since I have both Dark Angels and Space Wolves srmies - the only one I actually liked was the SW flyer.

on the subject of Eviserators - as A Siters player I have no problems with this - and I still wonder if it can be used to convert some of our models as we there are not any other power armoured hands holding an Eviserator that I cna think of - apart from the Flesh Tearers Chapter master?

So moving past complaining about Sisters players complaining....

Have there been any rumors (substantiated or otherwise) about the new codex? We're seeing preorders on Saturday, that's pretty soon to not hear anything at all. A MFD (Multiple Formation Detachment, a better word for Decurion-like) is likely. I wonder if White Scars will get brought down a bit or if other chapters will get better so it's not like 89% Scars when it comes to Marine armies out there.

Grav cannon with grav amp? OMG