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 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
SO...

No double special weapons for tacticals.
No CCW (even as a pay-for option).
No meaningful cost reductions.
No improvement to the Assault Squads, your window to the Land of Bland.

Just some formation rules that would seem cheesey in a vacuum but pale next to the recent fondue-a-go-go that are various xeno codices.
Oh, and the devastators with grav, whoopdie doo.

Just LOL@u if you still play SM. In fact, LOL@u if you still play, period.

Nice new models though.

Thanks for your valuable insight dude.

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
SO...

No double special weapons for tacticals.
No CCW (even as a pay-for option).
No meaningful cost reductions.
No improvement to the Assault Squads, your window to the Land of Bland.

Just some formation rules that would seem cheesey in a vacuum but pale next to the recent fondue-a-go-go that are various xeno codices.
Oh, and the devastators with grav, whoopdie doo.

Just LOL@u if you still play SM. In fact, LOL@u if you still play, period.

Nice new models though.

Sorry, you are in the wrong thread, This is about Space Marines. You are looking for Chaos Space Marines....

Nocturnus wrote:

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
SO...

No double special weapons for tacticals.
No CCW (even as a pay-for option).
No meaningful cost reductions.
No improvement to the Assault Squads, your window to the Land of Bland.

Just some formation rules that would seem cheesey in a vacuum but pale next to the recent fondue-a-go-go that are various xeno codices.
Oh, and the devastators with grav, whoopdie doo.

Just LOL@u if you still play SM. In fact, LOL@u if you still play, period.

Nice new models though.

Sorry, you are in the wrong thread, This is about Space Marines. You are looking for Chaos Space Marines....

Nah,I'm just waiting for him to tell us to all play warmahordes/infinity/malifaux/bolt action.

Lots of eviscerator and assault bits on eBay and bits sites already

Sweet... Devastators come as 3 packed sprues. And it looks like a bazillion heads are included hahaha.

I spy 2 MK7 (aquilla) fronts, 2 Mk6 (cabled) fronts, and cabled-looking-something-odd on the bottom right that looks like kinda cool. The legs look to have a wide stance, and the greaves are pimpin'. Those Grav Cannons look awesome. You sure get a lot of stuff on the sprues, I must say.

Also, I spy a web bundle with 3 land raiders (2 crusader/redeemer, 1 basic). It's been so long since I built one, though I have 2 BNIB crusader/redeemer kits :X Question because I am lazy: can you build the basic land raider using the crusader/redeemer kit?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Land-Raider-Spearhead

"Land Raider Spearhead"! At least they're easy to transport. I wonder what they get when you take 3.

Just noticed a new Land raider spearhead bundle on the GW site. Maybe the old battle tank of the imperium is getting buffed?

Probably only if you run 3.....

That gakky cartoon line art has been in the Necron and Eldar books as well. Pages and pages and pages of it.

It all seems to be poitning towards a few minor cosmetic changes (good and bad) and some formations which may well be good. So better than the Dark Eldar one and abut the same as Blood Angels and Guard - nowhere near as good as Necrons and of course three millin miles behind the Eldar.

Maybe they will add something powerful via Whiet Dwarf - like the recent Ad Mech formation that gives all units free upgrades adn ignores gets hot.......

It is bizare when you have the Eldar Codex where Everything got better and/or dropped in points and got cool formations and thats where it stops making sense.......

to those who says - oh it can't invalidate older Codexes - since when has GW cared about that?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
That gakky cartoon line art has been in the Necron and Eldar books as well. Pages and pages and pages of it.

I mean on the one hand, they're just used to show colour schemes/heraldry etc and fulfil that purpose fine. On the other hand, FW do similar things, but they look like this...



Which makes the GW ones look laughable.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Wow, we sure are getting our 'moneys worth' these days! Who did that artwork? one of their kids on MS paint?

As a reward for writing the codex in an afternoon, the Design team got to break out the crayons and color some marine pages. Just for fun GW put them in the book too.

Uhm, they are color plates, basically technical drawings to help you paint a specific color scheme.

Mymearan wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Wow, we sure are getting our 'moneys worth' these days! Who did that artwork? one of their kids on MS paint?

As a reward for writing the codex in an afternoon, the Design team got to break out the crayons and color some marine pages. Just for fun GW put them in the book too.

Uhm, they are color plates, basically technical drawings to help you paint a specific color scheme.

They are, just very poor examples of them.

They're also in every codex now. AdMech, Eldar, Necron, etc.

From the standpoint of many other factions, I think it's no big deal. But for the space marines, having technical drawings (instead of paintings) is not a bad thing. If you want to be fully codex-compliant, the heraldry, iconography, squad markings and all that are pretty complicated in terms of what's allowed, what's not, and how specific successor chapters deviate.

Not that you have to do any of that, and most players just plain don't care, but I think it's pretty neat.

Again, it's not the idea that's an issue. The quality of the drawings is just pretty poor. Look at the FW ones above compared to these ones.

You guys are complaining that the GW stuff isn't as high quality as the Forge World stuff?


... Where have you been for the last...oh, I don't know... Forever?

My gawd you GW apologists are insufferable! You won't even acknowledge one of the most obvious declines in art we have ever seen!

So if they drew the damn things in crayon would you still say 'Well it serves the purpose of showing you what colors they are supposed to be.' ?

This is so pathetic. Just because they screwed other factions with the same crap artwork, doesn't mean it's okay to keep doing it!

 SickSix wrote:
My gawd you GW apologists are insufferable! You won't even acknowledge one of the most obvious declines in art we have ever seen!

So if they drew the damn things in crayon would you still say 'Well it serves the purpose of showing you what colors they are supposed to be.' ?

This is so pathetic. Just because they screwed other factions with the same crap artwork, doesn't mean it's okay to keep doing it!

Eh, it is a down grade from the sixth edition book, I agree.

But complaining it's not Forge World quality is just silly, considering it has never been on the same quality as Forge World.

Get your panties unbunched, boy!

 Crazyterran wrote:
You guys are complaining that the GW stuff isn't as high quality as the Forge World stuff?


... Where have you been for the last...oh, I don't know... Forever?

I'm showing a comparison of the same kind of thing from the same company, to show how poor they are even for GW normally. Yes FW is generally better, but GW stuff used to be relatively comparable art wise. The FW ones make these look laughable though. The gap in quality is much bigger here than it used to be. Is that an acceptable comment for you? Just because there's always been a bit of a gap, widening the gap isn't okay.

I think it's there way of bringing about the next generation of gamers. We know they've been marketing to the younger crowd over the years, so now we are getting more Pokemon-esque artwork to boot. I dislike it, especially if you flip a page ant then see really nice artwork as the forgeworld pics show. It just screams of no cohesive design for the book.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
My gawd you GW apologists are insufferable! You won't even acknowledge one of the most obvious declines in art we have ever seen!

So if they drew the damn things in crayon would you still say 'Well it serves the purpose of showing you what colors they are supposed to be.' ?

This is so pathetic. Just because they screwed other factions with the same crap artwork, doesn't mean it's okay to keep doing it!

Eh, it is a down grade from the sixth edition book, I agree.

But complaining it's not Forge World quality is just silly, considering it has never been on the same quality as Forge World.

Get your panties unbunched, boy!

It's a decline from previous codexes! It's not even the same quality from their own previous books. It's just hilarious, it's like a bunch of abused puppies, doesn't matter how much their master beats them, y'all will keep licking his hand.

 SickSix wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
My gawd you GW apologists are insufferable! You won't even acknowledge one of the most obvious declines in art we have ever seen!

So if they drew the damn things in crayon would you still say 'Well it serves the purpose of showing you what colors they are supposed to be.' ?

This is so pathetic. Just because they screwed other factions with the same crap artwork, doesn't mean it's okay to keep doing it!

Eh, it is a down grade from the sixth edition book, I agree.

But complaining it's not Forge World quality is just silly, considering it has never been on the same quality as Forge World.

Get your panties unbunched, boy!

It's a decline from previous codexes! It's not even the same quality from their own previous books. It's just hilarious, it's like a bunch of abused puppies, doesn't matter how much their master beats them, y'all will keep licking his hand.

So instead you are going to whine to a bunch of people who are not games workshop, and insult anyone who disagrees with you?

Guess one side is puppies, the other side are toddlers.

Nobody is going to argue that it is a downgrade in that regard. However, the drawings and colourings of the different chapter marines and iconography is so low down on the cool stuff in the book (compared to the full art pages, fluff, and rules) that nobody is going to really care in comparison.

All this talk about the crap Codex art vs Forgeworld art is going straight over my head. Could someone post the Codex artworks in question please?

It's not really artwork though is it. Some of the artwork in the preview I downloaded is damn fine, and as good as anything in the 6th edition codex. The idea, that these very basic technical drawings, designed as a guide, somehow show a decline in quality is nonsense.

For a start very similar technical drawings are already present in the 6th edition codex.

This place can be such a bloody moan fest sometimes, some people clearly have a massive axe to grind. I'm not being an apologist, or a fanboy, in fact I think it's crazy a new dex is out so soon. But I'm not going to make paper thin arguments about "artwork decline" in order to satiate a nerd rage about it.

Seriously. Give it a goddam rest.

Shadow Captain Edithae

All this talk about the crap Codex art vs Forgeworld art is going straight over my head. Could someone post the Codex artworks in question please?

they've been posted, towards the bottom of page 65 of this thread

The GW apologists truly provide endless entertainment. Because EVERYTHING IS AWESOME.

Personally I dont get the negative oppinions on the "artwork".

The simplified displays of each chapters heraldry is functional and easily accesable, but should not be mistaken for the artwork.
I admit though, the first time I noticed it, in the DE codex, I was quite annoyed they used the same templates over and over, page after page. instead of actual artwork.

I have not seen any new artwork for this codex yet, but actually think the art of the last couple of codexes has been really great pieces that make the 7th edition codexes the most beautiful yet.

I'm going to be a sad panda if you have to put the devs on 32mm bases because of the stances....

It looks like it will be close.....It would suck. I'm not rebasing a whole army.

 Fayric wrote:
Personally I dont get the negative oppinions on the "artwork".

The simplified displays of each chapters heraldry is functional and easily accesable, but should not be mistaken for the artwork.

^My thoughts exactly. Forge World have something similar, but I've just looked through their list of designers, and they appear to have 7 people working in graphics and illustrations - given the rate of FW book releases, it's hardly surprising that there's such a difference in the quality of the heraldry and iconography!

General Kroll wrote:
A WILD MEME APPEARS!!

Thanks for your valuable insight dude.

Translation: I'm SO DARN TOOTIN' MAD I FORGOT HOW TO ENGLISH! ARGH! Must use pictures to articulate my thoughts! GUUUUHHH!! To the knowyoumeme.com-mobile!!

Nocturnus wrote:
Sorry, you are in the wrong thread, This is about Space Marines. You are looking for Chaos Space Marines....

Sorry, you are in the wrong forum altogether. Blind praise of every way that GW has found to crap on Space Marines likely belongs on BnC.

Crazyterran wrote:Nah,I'm just waiting for him to tell us to all play warmahordes/infinity/malifaux/bolt action.

Well, don't let me stop you (I guess). No harm in waiting I suppose.

Like I said, endless entertainment.

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