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I have a buddy that really likes to play fast, powerful armies. He stopped playing Eldar because nobody wanted to play him anymore and switched to Chaos. He now runs two Mauler Fiends with the lash coil things that take away attacks, and I cannot figure out how to stop him from tearing my army apart. I typically run Speed Freaks with trukks and Nob Bikers, but they simply aren't enough to deal with two of those things. Does anyone have any tricks I can use to play a good match with this?

Just for information's sake, he uses the Khorne Daemonkin sup with the Blood Thirsters and Blood Points and such, and the rest of his army consists of a regiment of Berzerkers in a Land Raider, two squads of Chaos Marines, a Khorne Daemon Prince, and the Blood Thirster with the D weapon.

Lootas or some high strength men gunz. Some of your trucks could get 5-8 tankbusta's each. A manz missile could do it to.

He has a Land Raider? Might as well start converting ork boyz with rokkit to tankbustas.

Artillery units should make short work of it.

Tankbustas Tankbustas Tankbustas! One squad in a trukk (to run away and keep shooting) per maulerfiend should take care of them nicely. Even if they do catch you in combat, counter-charge with the tankbustas, the melta bombs will make short work of it, and you'll only lose a few 15 point models out of it

Tankbustas and Big Guns, either of these should destroy them pretty quickly. I play both orks and Chaos, and I'm converting my Maulerfiend into a Forgefiend due to lack of production... it was friggin' sad to be honest.

Failing all that, you have 1 PK Nob in each group of boyz right? Remember that the MF is only WS3, and is going at I1 no matter what, so you have a pretty good chance of at least taking it down with you. Also, it only removes attacks from models in base to base, so keep you nobs and heavy weapon orks in the second rank, let the boyz get tangled into the tendrils, and jack it up with power klaws and any heavy weaponry you have.

(Edited for language by Kilkrazy.)

So, tank bustas it is then. I'll try it out. Thanks, all. Also, I think I just figured out why I'm having so much trouble with them. I'm fairly certain he's playing them wrong. He's an honorable guy, so I'm sure it's not on purpose, but I just looked up the stats and what it says in the book is DEFINITELY not what I've been playing against. Still, thank you for the input! WAAAGH! strong, friends.

EDIT: After a second look, it seems he's playing them how they're supposed to be. S10 AP2 I3 A3 is incredible for 130 pts. Time to play test some tankbustas!

I have 2 x 15 tank bustas in Battlewagon and deffkoptas with rokkits. Works like a charm against allmost any opponent.

Just take more boyz and charge! Every other suggestion is unOrky - shooting the big punchy robo monster should never even enter your mind as an option

 tarnish wrote:
I have 2 x 15 tank bustas in Battlewagon and deffkoptas with rokkits. Works like a charm against allmost any opponent.

I'm using two BW with 15 Tankbustas too! Fistbump bra.

He should be killing ~2 orks a turn while you keep your PK Nob at the back out of base to base contact. Barring extreme dice rolls either way, I'm not sure how you're having trouble bar failing morale checks and getting swept.

I assume the Tankbustas have more pressing targets (like the land raiders, DP and BT).

But... that's 600 points! 600 points to deal with 260 points worth of two models that might not even work, and then the bustas will just be slaughtered next turn when his blood thirster charges them. I'll be taking them in trukks and shielding them with my other vehicles first turn.

 Drasius wrote:
He should be killing ~2 orks a turn while you keep your PK Nob at the back out of base to base contact. Barring extreme dice rolls either way, I'm not sure how you're having trouble bar failing morale checks and getting swept.

That is precisely my issue because he runs them like brothers, always together, attacking the same things. I lose 5 boys, he takes one hull point, I fail morale, roll a four on Mob Rule, he sweeps.

 Kajaki War Pig wrote:
Tankbustas and Big Guns, either of these should rape them pretty quickly. I play both orks and Chaos, and I'm converting my Maulerfiend into a Forgefiend due to lack of production... it was friggin' sad to be honest.

Failing all that, you have 1 PK Nob in each group of boyz right? Remember that the MF is only WS3, and is going at I1 no matter what, so you have a pretty good chance of at least taking it down with you. Also, it only removes attacks from models in base to base, so keep you nobs and heavy weapon orks in the second rank, let the boyz get tangled into the tendrils, and jack it up with power klaws and any heavy weaponry you have.

Why would a Maulerfiend be going at I1 ?

Its I3 in the codex.

Hidden warboss in squad of boyz is my new fav

The Imperial Answer wrote:


Why would a Maulerfiend be going at I1 ?

Its I3 in the codex.

2 Power Fists. Useful against another vehicle. Against infantry, not so much.

You do realize that walkers ignore unwieldy right?

Yeah this army looks like it is actually more deadly in close combat than a lot of Ork armies. You will want to take as much out by shooting as possible before the boyz get in there.

Mek Gunz,
Lootas
Tankbustas

Actually, even some buggies might not be a bad idea. Outflanking them could do some work.

And as for getting in to melee with this army, you will need something that can stand up to it. Either loads and load of boyz, or MANz. or even go with your own walkers. Deff Dreads, killa kanz, and a mek giving them all invuln saves. Kila Kanz can actually doing fairly well with shooting since they are BS3.

But I would say the best thing to take against this list is tankbustas. I would also make sure to have some MANz in there with a killsaw just for that landraider.

Roknar wrote:
You do realize that walkers ignore unwieldy right?

Gah, this is a side effect of me thinking it was a creature initially. My bad, you're correct sir.

Walkers usually kill more orkses when they explode from a power klaw rather than when they try to hit with their 1.5 attacks in mellee.

 koooaei wrote:
Walkers usually kill more orkses when they explode from a power klaw rather than when they try to hit with their 1.5 attacks in mellee.

this is something i am beginning to be very careful of haha

I've had a game where 2 drop pods killed 30 boyz in one turn.

In previous editions the majority of my dead Orks was from exploding vehicles. Not so much in 7th. Less vehicles? Me using bikes and Painboyz more often? More Orks being shot to death?

 Dakkamite wrote:
Just take more boyz and charge! Every other suggestion is unOrky - shooting the big punchy robo monster should never even enter your mind as an option

Ork 101: Shoot the choppy, and chop the shooty.


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 koooaei wrote:
Walkers usually kill more orkses when they explode from a power klaw rather than when they try to hit with their 1.5 attacks in mellee.

But they died doing what they love :p

You run speed freaks? Do you ever run Zadsnark? If not, his power klaw goes at initiative 4. No one in my group runs walkers anymore, but I run Tankbustas for anti vehicle like everyone else. If you do the units of 5 in trukks get 3squiggs in each group and assault when close. If you run units of 15s don't buy the squiggs, but don't assault either or the unit will die.

If you assault him you won't have the problem your having either. One unit assaults one one unit assaults the other. He kills 2 no moral test. If he kills 3 moral but, bosspoles should be on all your nobs to hope for the best, plus remember your roll off for sweeping advance is on initiative 3, because your nob is initiative 3. Which is also useful because your Tankbusta nob places his melta bomb at initiative 3.

If you ran goffs I'd suggest just trying them up with boys, but being speed freaks you need to kill them or ignore them.

Also remember a biker warboss is t6 so he isn't one shot, if you give him da lukky stikk and a power klaw with a painboy and biker nob with min Warbikers they will kill them no problem. Yes lots of points, but you should only lose a bike or 2 in the kerfuffle. So they will continue to beat face.

 Rismonite wrote:

 tarnish wrote:
I have 2 x 15 tank bustas in Battlewagon and deffkoptas with rokkits. Works like a charm against allmost any opponent.

I'm using two BW with 15 Tankbustas too! Fistbump bra.

*Bumps that fist in a very orky way*

FratHammer wrote:
Which is also useful because your Tankbusta nob places his melta bomb at initiative 3.

Nope, melta bombs are unwieldy.

I try really hard to keep my warboss away from them because if I get tied up, he's going to counter assault me with his blood thirster and berzerkers and kill the entire squad. I think I'll take the tank bustas with the squigs. I can use turn one to bust open his rhinos and take out the havoc launchers on those, and then turn two he'll have gotten more than close enough with the maulers to assault with the bustas. That will leave the big daemons for the bikes/boys. I can ignore the LR for at least two turns, and by then I should have a pretty good handle on how the game is going to turn out. Sound like a plan to anyone else?

Good point Drasius.