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Is Bones III separate from the Legendary Encounters KS? I'm confused..

In general, I was pleased with Bones II. There were a few models that even after re-issues from miscast were just not what I would consider usable. However, as a whole, the value and variety was insane. Some of the post-KS prices have been shocking enough that I would definitely look long and hard at this before assuming I had my fill of Bonesium.

As to the pre-paints.. it would entirely depend on the specific miniatures and the level of painting. Basic block painting is not something I would pay a premium for.

Bones 3 starts July 7th.

Legendary Encounters is scheduled for Fall.

So yes, they are seperate projects.

Not the final image: "The Core reward image isn't 100% complete - It has the first 30 but not the 24 Bonus figures yet."

http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/61593-reaper-miniatures-bones-3-launches-july-7th/?p=1159213

There's some neat stuff mixed in there- at least 2 barbarian type characters, donkey, giant snake, war dog, and some other interesting choices.

There are a few that don't tickle my fancy though.

yeah nothing really makes me sit up, but we'll see, we'll see.

I feel the sculptor of that giant has made a terrible mistake.

I think the giant is a formorian: https://www.google.com/search?q=fomorian&espv=2&biw=1680&bih=987&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Y3eLVdCoOs7moASs7oagBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgrc=CbWhopnP_f7NJM%253A%3BJ9c3oJDcVrXXHM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%252F__cb20070210055947%252Fforgottenrealms%252Fimages%252Fb%252Fbf%252FFomorian_-_Raven_Mimura.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fforgottenrealms.wikia.com%252Fwiki%252FFomorian%3B400%3B474

If you look back at Bones I and II, they've already offered stone, hill, fire, ice, and other D&D giants, which means that they don't need to fund molds for these "species". So any giants in Bones III would be for less popular varieties, such as fomorian.

Maybe!

Dear god that giant thing looks stupid. Yeah, formorians are deformed, but there's no excuse for making THAT. Should have just used one of their ridiculously expensive ogres instead. This guy is actually useful in bonus as opposed to 20 bucks a pop in metal.

I was more amused by the odd lion dog personally. Seems to be very short and squat for that type of statue.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was more amused by the odd lion dog personally. Seems to be very short and squat for that type of statue.

I have one in metal, and it's a pretty terrible sculpt. It comes across to me like the sculptor wanted to meet a deadline and had no particular interest in foo dogs/stone lions and just went with slapdash and goofy. The Arcane Legions stone lions are about the same size (not as chunky) and are much, much better sculpts.
Having said that, the rolly-poly, happy foo dog does have some character. I'll probably pick another up in Bones since he'll be so cheap.

I will also say that grim reaper with the huge syth looks pretty bad too. Besides him and the other two mentioned the rest look great and useful.

Uugg. I hope the bonus figures are better, because out of those 30, I'm oinly interested in 3, and one of those is the donkey.

I'm at around 10, plus I'm undecided on the ettin/tomorrow giant thing.

Looks to me the reaper is some sort of elemental with a scythe maybe?

Wake me up when it's funded and at 100 minis for the basic pledge, or when I can get some cheap huge monsters as add-ons.

I also like about 10 figures. For $100, I'd need to see at least 30 minis I actually like, another 30 with the potential for conversions or paintsploitation, and at least 30 more for 'bargain ballast'. Bones 2 was very nearly a poor deal for me, so I'm hoping Bones 3 isn't as full of the dregs as it appears.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I'm at around 10, plus I'm undecided on the ettin/tomorrow giant thing.

Looks to me the reaper is some sort of elemental with a scythe maybe?

He's a Wraith.

I think I may just put in a token pledge when it goes live. I'd be interested in what sci-fi stuff they'll have. So far, I'm not especially impressed.

There's also not a lot of monsters or generic mooks in that initial 30. Most are PC types, and bones kind of sucks for that. I can spend the extra 2-3 dollars for a figure I'll use every session. I'm more reluctant to do so on monsters that might only get used every so often (and giants are a straight up no at that price point).

I know they say that's their big sellers, but that was in metal. Now that DM's have cheap options to fill out dungeons, that seems to be changing. On the reaper site, their bestsellers are a werewolf, a 6 pack of kobolds, a 4 pack of goblins, a generic dwarf with an axe, a minotaur, a paladin and a giant spider. Only the paladin looks very "PC-like", the rest are sword fodder you buy multiples of. I wish they'd focus more on that. Throw out some hobgoblins, ghouls, trolls, ogres etc. I count about 6 on that list I'd want multiples of (sword n board fighter and viking in the top row, death dog, evil guard with shield face, wardog, and the wraith if it didnt look so bad).

Never even opened my Bones II. :(

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
There's also not a lot of monsters or generic mooks in that initial 30. Most are PC types, and bones kind of sucks for that. I can spend the extra 2-3 dollars for a figure I'll use every session. I'm more reluctant to do so on monsters that might only get used every so often (and giants are a straight up no at that price point).

I know they say that's their big sellers, but that was in metal. Now that DM's have cheap options to fill out dungeons, that seems to be changing. On the reaper site, their bestsellers are a werewolf, a 6 pack of kobolds, a 4 pack of goblins, a generic dwarf with an axe, a minotaur, a paladin and a giant spider. Only the paladin looks very "PC-like", the rest are sword fodder you buy multiples of. I wish they'd focus more on that. Throw out some hobgoblins, ghouls, trolls, ogres etc. I count about 6 on that list I'd want multiples of (sword n board fighter and viking in the top row, death dog, evil guard with shield face, wardog, and the wraith if it didnt look so bad).

As lord_blackfang implied, this isn't even the entire base pledge, or what they intend it to be. There'll be plenty of mooks, goons, and goblins later.

As we've seen with past reaper kickstarters, they always include quite a few PC-type characters in the base starting pledge. I believe they try to transfer all their best-sellers over to bones, and larger monsters that aren't usually affordable(or feasible) in metal.

But Bossk_Hogg is totally right in saying that PC-type models just aren't that useful in large numbers. Out of the 30, you'll typically use only one for the duration of a campaign. Let's say 5 if you're lending them to the rest of the party. If the pledge is 100 PCs, it's still really not any better. You can still get that one dude you need for a fiver on eBay instead of paying $100 for him and them hoping you play in 99 more campaigns before you die to get your money's worth.

If they get the other two wraiths that go with the one currently in the base pledge I may have to duplicate my mother's golfing wraiths for myself.

Huh. Seemed like a pretty good mix to me, especially with a nice leavening of evil looking plate wearers. Face-shield sorceror demands a dungeon that looks like a sinus x-ray. I'm also quite fond of Stardwarf- the artifact on his back is ripe to use in a campaign.

Although I have no idea what happened to that Fomorrian, and I think his lion dog is eating to hide its confusion.

 pretre wrote:
Never even opened my Bones II. :(

You want I should haul it away for you, maybe?

 Polonius wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Never even opened my Bones II. :(

You want I should haul it away for you, maybe?

Just sold it for $120 shipped.

I know a guy around here selling another one though.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

As we've seen with past reaper kickstarters, they always include quite a few PC-type characters in the base starting pledge. I believe they try to transfer all their best-sellers over to bones, and larger monsters that aren't usually affordable(or feasible) in metal.

Yeah, it's just that the thinking of "this sells more in metal, so should be converted to Bones first over this other metal item that sells less" is a bit of faulty thinking IMO. Take the ogre. At $20 each that's about $100 -$120 for a typical ogre encounter. Pretty much no one is buying at that price. So he's lower in the queue to be bonesified than Random Dual Wielding dude #47 who sells for $6. However a bones ogre at $5 would likely outsell same Random Dual Wielding dude #47 at $2 because DM's can afford to buy multiples, whereas previously they were better off even buying a pack of GW's ogres to use. It just seems to me that they should be selecting what to convert with more of an eye as to what will sell as bones, over what currently sells in metal. It just seems the bones PC market is a little crowded, but the mook monster could use a lot more loving.

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 pretre wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Never even opened my Bones II. :(

You want I should haul it away for you, maybe?

Just sold it for $120 shipped.

I know a guy around here selling another one though.

I'm good. I just like making Dr. Zoidberg comments.

I went back and forth hard on BonesII, but ended up pledging just for the paint, the Kajira, and Dragons don't share. As always, I regret not just buying one of every large model.

Then I guess it's a good thing they usually end up padding the pledge with goblins, orcs, and Gnolls after the first couple updaes.

Actually, looking at Bones II after I played some RPGs, theres some really useful stuff in there. Not "I'd pay $100 for it" useful, but I wouldn't be bummed out if I had paid for it.

I have a 'Vampire pledge' from the first Bones kickstarter that could do with a loving home if anyone wants some cheap gribblies to fill their dungeons?

Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

As we've seen with past reaper kickstarters, they always include quite a few PC-type characters in the base starting pledge. I believe they try to transfer all their best-sellers over to bones, and larger monsters that aren't usually affordable(or feasible) in metal.

Yeah, it's just that the thinking of "this sells more in metal, so should be converted to Bones first over this other metal item that sells less" is a bit of faulty thinking IMO. Take the ogre. At $20 each that's about $100 -$120 for a typical ogre encounter. Pretty much no one is buying at that price. So he's lower in the queue to be bonesified than Random Dual Wielding dude #47 who sells for $6. However a bones ogre at $5 would likely outsell same Random Dual Wielding dude #47 at $2 because DM's can afford to buy multiples, whereas previously they were better off even buying a pack of GW's ogres to use. It just seems to me that they should be selecting what to convert with more of an eye as to what will sell as bones, over what currently sells in metal. It just seems the bones PC market is a little crowded, but the mook monster could use a lot more loving.

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I agree with you. They should focus less on PCs and more on NPCs.

I've backed bones 1 & 2 and the only figures I've gotten any use out of are the monsters.