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I wouldn't have minded more monsters in Mythos 3, but I don't mind the investigators they've got in there.
BrookM wrote: It's become a slow, but somewhat steady grind now hasn't it?
Depending on ones personal taste perhaps, but at a glance for Bones 2, the last week of 50-70k per day compares reasonably to the 50-60k per day of that campaigns midpoint.
According to Kicktraq, Bones 2 made around 900k in the last 3 days. Maybe the'll pull that off again, maybe they won't.
Polonius wrote: I won't be gaming or painting nearly as much.
I have the sneaky feeling I'll be playing Magic the Boardgame (tm) more often because the summoned units aren't painted...
Thes Hunter:
Core is currently at 123minis (w/o the weapons or bases) – 81 cents per mini.
- Most Smaller minis go for: $1.99 - $2.29 (60% - 65% off) ~22 smaller minis so far in core
- Most medium sized character minis go for $2.29 - $2.79 (65%-71% discount) 75 currently
- Most Large minis go for: $3.29 - $6.99 (75%-89% discount) ~ 22 ≥Large minis in core
- 25 one inch bases are $4.99, x2 (we get ~50) is $9.98 which people are getting for free
- 10 two inch bases are $4.99 x2 (we get ~20) is $9.98 again for free.
- The weapon sprues in metal cost ~$8.99 (but guessing from the familiars and rats would be Between $1.99 - $3.99 in Bones) again, x3 ($6-$12) for free.
Remember in metal all these things would be more expensive. For example the pathfinder troll is $15.99 alone in metal. Actually the Pathfinder II addition is $43.95 in metal, and would likely be at least $15.15 at retail in Bones. All yours for ~$4.
- And when Wild West Oz unlocks: 129 minis – 77 cents a mini
But each person needs to find their own value in this.
Dark Young is 120mm tall!
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ced - The thing is, people are acting like the Bones figures are comparable to metal, resin, or hard plastic just because some really really talented painters have managed to polish them up.
You can not compare the prices between the two. A more apt comparison is with pre-painted figures like heroclix, DDM, Pathfinder Battles, the newest batch of DnD prepaints, etc. If you spent $400 on that.. yeah, you'd end up with 200-300 models too if you got mostly crap low-level units and a couple of big things. You can get 2 of the DnD board games with their Chainmail figures that have been recast in the same bendy plastic as bones.. 2 of them will run you about 100 bucks and it'll be about 84 figures... oh yeah.. and it will have 2 board games and a lot of accessories for roleplaying. The current bones 3 core is so whacked out and all over the place, it's really hard to see how most people would consider them entirely usable... and we're hearing as much from quite a few people.
Look on ebay.. you can get prepaints of very similar quality for the same prices... and not wait a year... oh yeah.. and you get to pick and choose.
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The thing is, people are acting like the Bones figures are comparable to metal, resin, or hard plastic just because some really really talented painters have managed to polish them up.
It a lot less to do with the paint jobs, actually zero percent for myself, and a lot more with them being the same sculpts.
You are also incredibley low balling the current prices of the plastic DnD, Pathfinder, and Clix figures, which are often as much if not more than the comparable Bones figures, if there is a comparable figure at all, especially if you are only cherry picking figures for your collection.
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I'm not familiar with DDM or DND minis, but I have seen heroclix models before and I also have a bunch of heroscape and star wars minis from WOTC which I assume are comparable. The Reaper Bones models are far better than those models. I'm not sure what you're smoking, but it must be some good stuff.
The Bones II models were also definitely a step up from the Bones I models, so maybe if you just saw the Bones I models you were a little turned off.
I'm not even a seasoned painter, having painted less than 100 models, including rank and file models, and I've managed to come up with these:
It is quite true that the quality of sculpt does not always carry over from metal to bones all that well. You lose maybe 10% on small, man sized stuff, 2-3% on medium sized stuff (ogres) and just about 0 on dragon/monster sized stuff. Some sculpts suffer more than others, particularly at the man sized tier, but not a great deal.
So.... partially paint helps any model, but by and large the Bones are pretty darn good. Not perfect, and sometimes loses a little dynamism as the pose shifts slightly, but if you liked the metal you will probably like the bones too. Would I use Bones for a high end painting competition? No, I'd get the metal. Would I use it for a PC, warlord or other centerpiece model? Yea, probably, especially if it was a little larger.
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Lt. Coldfire: have you tried thinning your paints? You want to aim for the consistency of 63 degree organic whole milk, or 67 degree whole milk if organic isn't available.
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The thing is, people are acting like the Bones figures are comparable to metal, resin, or hard plastic just because some really really talented painters have managed to polish them up.
It a lot less to do with the paint jobs, actually zero percent for myself, and a lot more with them being the same sculpts.
You are also incredibley low balling the current prices of the plastic DnD, Pathfinder, and Clix figures, which are often as much if not more than the comparable Bones figures, if there is a comparable figure at all, especially if you are only cherry picking figures for your collection.
Hey, if Bones has something you want and it's at a good value and you don't mind waiting, then fine. Those sculpts don't always survive bonesification though. Reaper makes a really cool fish priest type guy. He was in Bones 2. I was extremely excited about him being in that set. When my Bones 2 package came in, I looked for him and was heartbroken that he appeared to be horribly miscast. There was a chronoscope guy with a powerfist too.. who I didn't care about but his face had gone all blobish. Reaper was very quick to send replacements.. but both of them had the exact same problems.
As to me low-balling prices.. Right now on ebay you can get Pathfinder pre-painted giants for $3-$5 and an Iron Golem that's easily as tall or possibly taller than the render from exp 1 is supposed to be for a similar price. I'm not lowballing anything, I've been shopping around. You are right, not everything is available and some things don't have a sculpt that isn't goofy looking. No argument there. The notion that Bones are being sold during kickstarter close to at cost though.. either Reaper is getting ripped off from China.. OR.. well..
Again.. I'm not telling anyone not to back. I'm simply stating that 90% of the stuff I would want from this is already available at similar prices for my taste or, at a better quality for a higher price (GCT has some amazing far-eastern themed sculpts.. no not at bones prices but definitely at a quality level bones will never be able to match).
On a side note: There's some crazy cool demons in the Pathfinder Battles stuff that I didn't even know about and they have some really cool minis in the same vein as the Mythos stuff too for people who are disenfranchised. Just remember to check Paizo's store for prices first.. sometimes they're lower than resellers.
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Lt. Coldfire wrote: I'm not familiar with DDM or DND minis, but I have seen heroclix models before and I also have a bunch of heroscape and star wars minis from WOTC which I assume are comparable. The Reaper Bones models are far better than those models. I'm not sure what you're smoking, but it must be some good stuff.
The Bones II models were also definitely a step up from the Bones I models, so maybe if you just saw the Bones I models you were a little turned off.
I'm not even a seasoned painter, having painted less than 100 models, including rank and file models, and I've managed to come up with these:
Spoiler:
I own quite a bit of Bones 2, which I backed. I also own some bones 1. The thing that Bones does well is big critters and anything with extremely pronounced details. The face, sword, and shield on that angel look like they were sculpted with play-doh to my eye. Show me pictures of hooded bones stuff that's been painted if you don't mind? Most of mine had their faces blobbed out. Chronoscope figures tend to lose their noses. Anyone with a spear or staff will need some serious work to get it to look like it's not a snake.
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@Wehrkind You must see my only painting advice on the Reaper forums
@MLaw Ok, you have a point on some of the hooded figures. However, I'm no good at painting faces anyways, so a hood is welcomed as I can just shadow it out. I admit I haven't given much look to the chronoscope minis as they are probably last on my list to get around to. I'll take a look.
wreeper007 wrote: Question. Can I alter my pledge (reduce or increase) after the campaign ends?
Yes, but it's nice if you can put in as much as you can while the project is live to boost the project and the stretch goals. Edit: Oh oops, right--you can only increase your pledge after the campaign ends. You cannot decrease.
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I've had good results with bones, and I'm not a particularly talented painter.
there are some losses in detail, which is why nearly everybody on the board here is screaming at reaper for more unit filler stuff and monsters, and fewere hero type characters. Of course, even the heros can be painted up as quick NPCs.
Low price + no need to prime + easy cleaning/assembly + relatively low detail = quick and easy to paint!
wreeper007 wrote: Question. Can I alter my pledge (reduce or increase) after the campaign ends?
You can only increase it after the campaign ends (not decrease). If you're unsure, use the pledge calculator on their campaign tab and get the stuff you know you'll want and pick up the other stuff during the pledge manager.. which will split it into two payments as well.
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Also, for the record, the Pathfinder Battles prepaints do have quite a few mythos creatures that have shown up in it so far, and usually have somewhat decent paint jobs if that's what you're after.
Gugs, Moonbeasts, Elder Things, Mi-Go, Yithians, Nightgaunts, Hounds of Tindalos... that's all off the top of my head.
At least we'll get the Oz set some time today, and hopefully something a bit more exciting after that.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
So what all are we missing from the Reapercon reveals other than Tiamat? The graveyard and coral golems, the chibi monsters, frost giant princess, the wagon, archway, coatl, huge purple worm, smaller Mashaaf thing...
Given the next stretch goal is 100k+ away and is just weapons and the 1920's investigators of questionable popularity, I'm not sure if we're going to see everything previewed without dropping some major bombs Thursday/Friday.
2015/07/22 17:52:37
Subject: Re:Reaper Bones 3 Kickstarter -Live July 7
Bossk_Hogg wrote: So what all are we missing from the Reapercon reveals other than Tiamat? The graveyard and coral golems, the chibi monsters, frost giant princess, the wagon, archway, coatl, huge purple worm, smaller Mashaaf thing...
Given the next stretch goal is 100k+ away and is just weapons and the 1920's investigators of questionable popularity, I'm not sure if we're going to see everything previewed without dropping some major bombs Thursday/Friday.
25k away, actually. It's the Oz pack. I generally agree though, the shorter campaign this time is probably not doing them any real favors. On the other hand, they're still getting enough to greatly expand their range, so I doubt they're quite looking at it that way.
2015/07/22 18:10:45
Subject: Re:Reaper Bones 3 Kickstarter -Live July 7
They are a studio that makes Bushido .. again.. these weren't mentioned because they are cheap but because of the Asian Lore connection that a lot of people were clamoring for. They just previewed an upcoming Tengu release that's really neat but they also have a whole range of Tengu. They also have feathered serpents, snake-men, kitsune, etc. http://www.bushido-thegame.com/store
I just ordered a pathfinder frost giant and a DnD Attack Wing Frost Giant for $11 shipped (total). Picked up the Heroclix one too.. he's a little more ($13 shipped) but looks like a shaman instead of a warrior. Contemplating the OOP Paizo Frost Giant and the Heroscape ones too but they're about $15 each since both are OOP.
I'll likely get one of the Bones 3 frost giants at some point and the existing princess, maybe.. but that particular itch has been scratched
As others have said Mythos exp 3 is a bust. Needs more monsters and way less (or no) investigators. More monsters would have made a required buy, but now its very iffy.
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2015/07/22 21:43:49
Subject: Re:Reaper Bones 3 Kickstarter -Live July 7
Soo no mention of the collosal worm or that sweet crypt that were previewed in the latest update? I'd link but on phone and sort of lazy. Both look great, supposedly the crypt is part of expansion 3 so I guess that is happening. Kind of excited about it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ahh highlord got it, cool.
Is the cossal worm the one from xp 2 then?
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Oh damn, that's worth it then. If the expansion 3 has three waves like the other two.. then consider the crypt probably all of one wave.. but 16.67 or whatever for a decently sized hard plastic crypt complete with floor... compare that to some other plastic scenery of the type... worth it. Just depends on what else they put into the expansion I guess.
Polonius wrote: I've had good results with bones, and I'm not a particularly talented painter.
I'm not a particularly talented painter, so Bones is good for me!
If you're a display-level painter, of course you're going to go for metal and resin. But what's the point of spending twice or more as much money on a miniature if your results are pretty much the same? For tabletop, unless you're pushing the miniatures around with your nose, at the distance you're looking at miniatures when gaming you're not going to see all the details you laboriously spent hours and hours putting in. I have some Dark Sword Miniatures I picked up at the Stephanie Law KS, but don't think I'll pick up too many more expensive high-quality miniatures until I can paint them well.
I disagree that the Mythos expansion is a "bust". I'll be using the investigator mini's for Eldritch Horror. But if you did want more monsters, pledge for Cthulhu Wars: Onslaught 2 in September instead. Goodbye money.
Also, check out 1:45 for how big stupid huge Shub-Niggurath is. Hope that thing's not pre-assembled, though!
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Bones is actually not half bad for display level painters, depending on the piece. Their larger models are especially good in this regard (I've got a worg I use for Pathfinder that I'm rather proud of, and I'm currently working on a dragon), but anything without much fiddly detail or a face (I'm looking at you, Mimic) can still be painted up to a great standard.
As is that crypt! Can't wait to see them unlocked.
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