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bullyboy wrote:
pretty sad that people didn't show up to play "because of Eldar". Nothing like buying into the hype. Why not play a few games (chances are you won't face Eldar every game) and then report back with actual experiences? Maybe even a simple."yep, they were as bad as I expected", but something.

I don't have to experience 2-3 hours worth of watching paint dry to know it's not something I want to do.


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Also I don't understand why it's necessary to apply this semester's philosophy course to someone buying something they like. It's more than just "a plastic toy", anyway. It's a toy you build yourself then paint to whatever color scheme appeals the most at the time. Then you show it off to your friends and play games with it.

I can agree that particular player was being TFG, but to drop out of a tournament because "Eldar are coming" is really ridiculous especially if you have either only played a few games or haven't even played against the new Eldar at all. Youre not going to get better playing against them by continually running away from playing them and the hype they have is completely overblown and over the top, this is coming from playing several games against the new Eldar and actually winning a good number of them with both my Tau and my IG forces.

I passed on all games this weekend because they were going to all be Eldar, even though it meant someone else didn't get a game. I'd just rather do something else.

Oh man another thread for people to cry about eldar, started by the same person who starts all of these eldar cry threads. Suprised this hasnt been locked yet.

I just ran a tourney where we had a huge turn out 3 eldar out of about 15 or 16 people. First place was a footdar list with one D choice, a vaul support battery. Second place was grey knights. Everyone had a great time and i only had to deal with one tfg who cried because he didnt know how interceptor worked.

Begging to question how many eldar horror stories are 100 percent truthful. Im starting to feel a bit bad for the eldar players. In my area because they cant play their favorite army that they put time into because of people freaking out as soon a gaurdian is set down during deployment.

die toten hosen wrote:
Oh man another thread for people to cry about eldar, started by the same person who starts all of these eldar cry threads. Suprised this hasnt been locked yet.

I just ran a tourney where we had a huge turn out 3 eldar out of about 15 or 16 people. First place was a footdar list with one D choice, a vaul support battery. Second place was grey knights. Everyone had a great time and i only had to deal with one tfg who cried because he didnt know how interceptor worked.

Begging to question how many eldar horror stories are 100 percent truthful. Im starting to feel a bit bad for the eldar players. In my area because they cant play their favorite army that they put time into because of people freaking out as soon a gaurdian is set down during deployment.

Thank you for that personal attack hosen, i'll make sure to take any valid point you make now with a grain of salt knowing that you act like this. Im assuming you didn't bother to read my posts in here because if you had you would have read that this guy was being a jerk at the store. Refused to tone down his army, and when offered the chance to play a TAU player with his titan he refused because the tau player asked him to only use 1 titan and not 2. This was a huge case of TFG because of his attitude, his lists, his demeanor and his storming out when players told him point blank they wouldn't play against his Broken Decurion because they only had time for a single game and wanted it to be fun and not get shot off the board by turn 2.

Keep your personal attacks out of this thread or don't post.

Ive not met a single tfg eldar player in my meta. Everysingle tfg ive met in my tournys and games is orks or nids. They do nothing but make every tau, eldar, and well every other player feel terrible for playing an army they enjoy. All well bragging about how fluffy their buzzgob mek stomper is, and how terrible nids are in events(nids generally fill 3 or 4 of the top eight slots in my lgs scene). Humble bragging is huge issue in this community and this site as a whole

Im taking your OP with a grain of salt based on your posting history filled with tears.

die toten hosen wrote:
Ive not met a single tfg eldar player in my meta. Everysingle tfg ive met in my tournys and games is orks or nids. They do nothing but make every tau, eldar, and well every other player feel terrible for playing an army they enjoy. All well bragging about how fluffy their buzzgob mek stomper is, and how terrible nids are in events(nids generally fill 3 or 4 of the top eight slots in my lgs scene). Humble bragging is huge issue in this community and this site as a whole

Im taking your OP with a grain of salt based on your posting history filled with tears.

I sure wish I could enjoy BA. Thanks GW. The only way I can engage Eldar is to not play them.

Wow...

OK!

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Martel732 wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:
Ive not met a single tfg eldar player in my meta. Everysingle tfg ive met in my tournys and games is orks or nids. They do nothing but make every tau, eldar, and well every other player feel terrible for playing an army they enjoy. All well bragging about how fluffy their buzzgob mek stomper is, and how terrible nids are in events(nids generally fill 3 or 4 of the top eight slots in my lgs scene). Humble bragging is huge issue in this community and this site as a whole

Im taking your OP with a grain of salt based on your posting history filled with tears.

I sure wish I could enjoy BA. Thanks GW. The only way I can engage Eldar is to not play them.

apparently the LGS i work at is a island unto itself.
BA tend to do very well and the 2 players we have that play them are generally pretty hardcore about their armies. one dude runs death company in a flier with a baal pred and some scouts, the other runs a sicaran with a death company dred and drop pods.

I have had maybe one guy who could be called TFG show up in every 3 events we run and he is always orks, nids, or necrons. all our eldar, tau and other "OP" armies are played by generally okay dudes. where ever ya'll play must be terrible if you keep having experiences like these.

die toten hosen wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:
Ive not met a single tfg eldar player in my meta. Everysingle tfg ive met in my tournys and games is orks or nids. They do nothing but make every tau, eldar, and well every other player feel terrible for playing an army they enjoy. All well bragging about how fluffy their buzzgob mek stomper is, and how terrible nids are in events(nids generally fill 3 or 4 of the top eight slots in my lgs scene). Humble bragging is huge issue in this community and this site as a whole

Im taking your OP with a grain of salt based on your posting history filled with tears.

I sure wish I could enjoy BA. Thanks GW. The only way I can engage Eldar is to not play them.

apparently the LGS i work at is a island unto itself.
BA tend to do very well and the 2 players we have that play them are generally pretty hardcore about their armies. one dude runs death company in a flier with a baal pred and some scouts, the other runs a sicaran with a death company dred and drop pods.

I have had maybe one guy who could be called TFG show up in every 3 events we run and he is always orks, nids, or necrons. all our eldar, tau and other "OP" armies are played by generally okay dudes. where ever ya'll play must be terrible if you keep having experiences like these.

I mostly play with people practicing for tournaments. They have very efficient lists and go for tablings whenever possible. Against players doing their best to win, mono-BA are quite poor. However, I have gotten rather tired of this and didn't play this weekend at all because everyone had an Eldar list but one guy who was already playing. New hotness indeed.

Martel732 wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:
Ive not met a single tfg eldar player in my meta. Everysingle tfg ive met in my tournys and games is orks or nids. They do nothing but make every tau, eldar, and well every other player feel terrible for playing an army they enjoy. All well bragging about how fluffy their buzzgob mek stomper is, and how terrible nids are in events(nids generally fill 3 or 4 of the top eight slots in my lgs scene). Humble bragging is huge issue in this community and this site as a whole

Im taking your OP with a grain of salt based on your posting history filled with tears.

I sure wish I could enjoy BA. Thanks GW. The only way I can engage Eldar is to not play them.

apparently the LGS i work at is a island unto itself.
BA tend to do very well and the 2 players we have that play them are generally pretty hardcore about their armies. one dude runs death company in a flier with a baal pred and some scouts, the other runs a sicaran with a death company dred and drop pods.

I have had maybe one guy who could be called TFG show up in every 3 events we run and he is always orks, nids, or necrons. all our eldar, tau and other "OP" armies are played by generally okay dudes. where ever ya'll play must be terrible if you keep having experiences like these.

I mostly play with people practicing for tournaments. They have very efficient lists and go for tablings whenever possible. Against players doing their best to win, mono-BA are quite poor. However, I have gotten rather tired of this and didn't play this weekend at all because everyone had an Eldar list but one guy who was already playing. New hotness indeed.

this is nothing new though. new books come out and they see a surge. things generally wind back down after a while or when th enext book drops. my LGS has seen this with orks, nids, BA, DE, etc.
the only ones who stuck with it are the BA and Nid players because Nids are pretty good right now and the BA players tend to always lose by one point in our scenarios.

die toten hosen wrote:


I have had maybe one guy who could be called TFG show up in every 3 events we run and he is always orks, nids, or necrons. all our eldar, tau and other "OP" armies are played by generally okay dudes. where ever ya'll play must be terrible if you keep having experiences like these.

You get a tfg in three out of three events and the other guy is unlucky because his tfg plays different armies than yours?

Hosen, Sorry you feel that Ork players are TFG as a group. Generally the consensus is that Ork players are the.....well usually we are the nicest to play against since we have never once had a codex that could be even remotely called "Top Tier' and realistically, we are Mid to Low tier.

This Eldar player was a jerk and acted like TFG and eventually left because we didn't want to put up with him. I have been to two stores in two distinctly different places and each one had a single person who could be labeled as "TFG" one played Eldar and one played.....well everything, guy had literally every army.

both guys shared unique qualities such as, Cheating, attitude, rudeness and a distinct lack of adjectives that were not four letter words usually shown on the internet as @*$& :-p

Regardless, sorry theirs so much hate out at the Eldar, most of its because everyone knows the Codex (and the Necrons) is Broken and OP and a handful (though not many) Eldar players keep trying to defend it saying things like "its balanced" when clearly it is not. anyway have a good one.

Hello everyone!

Yes, we see the offending posts in question!

In fact, they are the reason why I already posted this:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wow...

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Ok, if the offending person in the OP is really a bad person, it all ends there right?

He built a big Elder force for a tournament that got cancelled but showed up anyway.

His error was to still be looking for a tournament level of challenge but no-one brought the right toys.

TFG, or a player robbed of a game of competitive play?

Just by playing Elder seems to supply a bad label.

I had that problem with Grey Knights until I point out most of mine are the original metal.

Sad really, a victim of poor GW balance and players penalizing him for playing within rules as written.

Traditio wrote:

ImAGeek wrote:Amazing. Why are you playing wargames at all then instead of donating all that money to charity? Man there's something seriously wrong with you.

I think that there's a qualitative difference between spending $20 on ebay on a used space marines squad and $140 on a single new model.

That's $20 you could have given to less well off people. What's wrong with you??

Seriously, we can make the same argument back on you. Don't tell people how to spend their own money. That's none of your business. Grow up.

So what's the point of a tournament if everyone is scared to play tournament lists? Sounds like a problem with the meta to me. If you don't want to face powerful spam lists, don't sign up for a TOURNAMENT.

 Talizvar wrote:

Just by playing Elder seems to supply a bad label.

I had that problem with Grey Knights until I point out most of mine are the original metal.

The thing is even if the eldar player points out his minis are 2nd ed, there's a huge chance that he's a cheeselord and just wants to spend 3 hours curbstomping you. Problem stems from the fact that they've always been the top-tier cutting edge army regardless of edition.

I don't blame anyone for not wanting to play any eldar army without exception. They may have the rare good player here and there, but their unrivaled status as the most powerful army for 7 editions straight has attracted any TFG and WAACer that can be attracted.

Its not about denying games. Its about someone who lacks the ability to think emphatically, fairly and tactically, that went out to buy the army which he knows will give him the most advantage over others, so that he can have 3 hours of feeling adequate, while his opponent has 0 fun.

Frankly, it sounds like I wouldn't want to player either person based on this thread.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Generally the consensus is that Ork players are the.....well usually we are the nicest to play against since we have never once had a codex that could be even remotely called "Top Tier'

I recall somewhere that you'd only started playing 40k since last December ... I apologize if you've played longer. How long?

Otherwise,
a. 5e ork bikers were a terror
b. There was a FAQ/errata that turned the Deff-rolla into 2d6 or so of STR 10 Armor Ignoring hits with tank shock on the BattleWagons. I remember facing 4 of those things from more than one player's army lists. My buddy that went with me to BAO 2013 had that at one time.
c. Killa-Kan lists when the Cover Save was in a grey area about 6" to other models or units. 2012?

The Phil Kelly 5e ork codex was Top Tier. The other eldar codex was published some where in there (two books ago) and so forth. Heh, again, Phil Kelly 4e/5e.

DashofPepper turned 5e Dark Eldar Venom Spam into true hatred as he stomped his way through several GTs and tourneys. I ran DoP's same list. 24 lance weapons, 5 venoms, 28 wyches at 1850 points. I won maybe 54% of games with those.

People ran around rage quitting and such ... and then GK came along. Wyches took it hard from Cleansing Flame. A few switches to more kabalites and my GK problem went away.
Repeat the news cycle. Sky-is-Falling. Rage Quit. Broken codex.
Fliers in 6e.

It goes on.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
and realistically, we are Mid to Low tier.
Regardless, sorry theirs so much hate out at the Eldar, most of its because everyone knows the Codex (and the Necrons) is Broken and OP and a handful (though not many) Eldar players keep trying to defend it saying things like "its balanced" when clearly it is not. anyway have a good one.

No one 'knows' for certain until data, Torrent of Fire numbers and tourney data comes in. Look at what units do, and how killy they are through MathHammer. Skip the adjectives. Look at odds and fractions and percentages.

I would like to invite you to check out another thread where adjectives describing the codex are not used, but instead, cold hard data, odds and numbers are discussed.

And I further invite you to wait until a few big GTs have their results posted.

Equate it to this:
Star athelete, #1 draft pick is traded to a great team. Tons of money spent. Commentators talk about how dominant the team will be in their league ... And in mid-season, well, let's wait and see how this dog actually performs.

Their have been 4 Ork Codex's published, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 4th edition and 7th edition.

1994, 1998, 2008 and 2014 are the years of the Ork Codex releases.

Furthermore, Orks were either the 1st or 2nd codex released for this edition and the numbers are in and we are mid to low tier. The Recent Ghaz supplement allowed orks a bit more leeway since we can take the good formations in their.

I started playing ORKS in 2014, Before that I was playing Blood Angels as far back as 1999. I did quit for a long time but I always kept up to date with the game because I love the fluff of it. And even back in 1999, orks were just about the easiest army to table.

Also the rules for Deff Rolla went from 4th edition until 7th edition and were 1D6 S10 AP- hits and a further 1D6 S10 Ap- hits ONLY if the player Death or Gloried. So whoever you played with was cheating :-P

as far as 5th edition bikers being a terror....well no, Ork Bikers Have only changed once since 4th edition so I don't know why they would have become a "Terror". Ork NOB Bikers were really good in the old 4th edition codex, but now they tend to suck :-(

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Their have been 4 Ork Codex's published, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 4th edition and 7th edition.

1994, 1998, 2008 and 2014 are the years of the Ork Codex releases.

Furthermore, Orks were either the 1st or 2nd codex released for this edition and the numbers are in and we are mid to low tier. The Recent Ghaz supplement allowed orks a bit more leeway since we can take the good formations in their.

I started playing ORKS in 2014, Before that I was playing Blood Angels as far back as 1999. I did quit for a long time but I always kept up to date with the game because I love the fluff of it. And even back in 1999, orks were just about the easiest army to table.

Also the rules for Deff Rolla went from 4th edition until 7th edition and were 1D6 S10 AP- hits and a further 1D6 S10 Ap- hits ONLY if the player Death or Gloried. So whoever you played with was cheating :-P

as far as 5th edition bikers being a terror....well no, Ork Bikers Have only changed once since 4th edition so I don't know why they would have become a "Terror". Ork NOB Bikers were really good in the old 4th edition codex, but now they tend to suck :-(

Well poor you.
Ork bikers are rad, they generally eat anything they touch in my experience.
Ive seen optimized ork lists wreck tau and eldar. Just gotta play smart

die toten hosen wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Their have been 4 Ork Codex's published, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 4th edition and 7th edition.

1994, 1998, 2008 and 2014 are the years of the Ork Codex releases.

Furthermore, Orks were either the 1st or 2nd codex released for this edition and the numbers are in and we are mid to low tier. The Recent Ghaz supplement allowed orks a bit more leeway since we can take the good formations in their.

I started playing ORKS in 2014, Before that I was playing Blood Angels as far back as 1999. I did quit for a long time but I always kept up to date with the game because I love the fluff of it. And even back in 1999, orks were just about the easiest army to table.

Also the rules for Deff Rolla went from 4th edition until 7th edition and were 1D6 S10 AP- hits and a further 1D6 S10 Ap- hits ONLY if the player Death or Gloried. So whoever you played with was cheating :-P

as far as 5th edition bikers being a terror....well no, Ork Bikers Have only changed once since 4th edition so I don't know why they would have become a "Terror". Ork NOB Bikers were really good in the old 4th edition codex, but now they tend to suck :-(

Well poor you.
Ork bikers are rad, they generally eat anything they touch in my experience.
Ive seen optimized ork lists wreck tau and eldar. Just gotta play smart

Die toten hosen, that was a reply to the poster directly above my post.

And my comment was at Ork NOB bikers not Ork Bikers, their is a very big difference, I usually run a 10-12 man Bike unit in most of my lists because they have lots of dakka, are extremely tough to kill and when they get into the assault they are basically T5 Ork Boyz..

Also "Ive seen optimized ork lists wreck tau and eldar. Just gotta play smart" I really don't view that as a constructive post, especially since it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Their have been 4 Ork Codex's published, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 4th edition and 7th edition.

1994, 1998, 2008 and 2014 are the years of the Ork Codex releases.

Yeah, the 2008.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Furthermore, Orks were either the 1st or 2nd codex released for this edition and the numbers are in and we are mid to low tier. The Recent Ghaz supplement allowed orks a bit more leeway since we can take the good formations in their.

I started playing ORKS in 2014, Before that I was playing Blood Angels as far back as 1999. I did quit for a long time but I always kept up to date with the game because I love the fluff of it. And even back in 1999, orks were just about the easiest army to table.

Anything pre 3e is too far from today's 40k to compare.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Also the rules for Deff Rolla went from 4th edition until 7th edition and were 1D6 S10 AP- hits and a further 1D6 S10 Ap- hits ONLY if the player Death or Gloried. So whoever you played with was cheating :-Pp

No one cheated me. I cited 2d6 ... which you're right, was if you tried DoG'd. Given the RB Vehicle Damage Table back then, you had a reasonable chance of nailing the vehicle, but really sweated losing the whole unit.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
as far as 5th edition bikers being a terror....well no, Ork Bikers Have only changed once since 4th edition so I don't know why they would have become a "Terror". Ork NOB Bikers were really good in the old 4th edition codex, but now they tend to suck :-(

Oops, my mistake. I used the word 'terror' and I have been trying to avoid using adjectives ... I just don't have data for how the armies performed from 5+ years ago. Or even 3.

I'm simply refuting your claim that orks have always sucked. By your own admission, you missed things until last year. I've played constantly since 2004. DeathWing, bugs, SM, tau, Eldar, CSM and daemons. And IG or AM.

And, I have more experience than you in watching a new 'dex being released. The Sky-is-Falling silliness. Months pass and the vitriol was for naught. Time and again.

I have owned:
3 SM codexes, and likely a 4th by year's end, if rumors pan out.
4 eldar books (didn't play 3e though)
2 tau books (and likely a 3rd by next year)
2 CSM books
2 daemon books
1 SW
1 Dark Angel
2 bug books
2 IG books

I played CSM Lash ... and it was not unbeatable. I beat 5e GKs with continuing satisfaction after a few months of being beat. I played Tau FishofFury. Lost and Won. Venom Spam, Wave Serpent Spam. Genestealer rush (4e). SM Drop Pods. Pask Plasma-cutioners & Vendettas.

Ghaz, you are over reacting. You are causing others to bring down the hobby. Look at your own example of people bailing on a tourney, because of a book.

I asked earlier, and I kindly ask again, did your TO not take steps to nerf the book? Will you and your buddies not give a tourney another shot? Nerf the hell out of the elves! But, allow a guy to play to some extent.

I enjoy tourney play because it's a guaranteed 3 games for the day, with rules that don't need haggling over (FLG, ITC, NOVA, etc) and after a bit, a great bunch of guys that I hoist a beer with.

I strongly encourage you to set aside your uncertainty and ... negativity over the codex, nerf it, work with your TO and friends, and not let it divert your, and your buddies' course, on what is a really awesome experience.

I bought the 3e eldar codex, cause I wanted to know how to beat them when I played Deathwing. It wasn't enough. Oops, it got replaced with the 4e book. Okay, buy that. Damn, still don't quite get how they work. Screw it, I said, and bought a Battle Force and learned to play them and then beat them.

Play it, man. Don't let it bring you down.

Punch those filthy Psyfile-man Dreads in their ball-bearings!
Oh, wrong broken unit.
Punch those WraithKnights in their twinsy, cry-baby jewels!

^This post here! Exalted! As with most obstacles in life, its always easier to give up and whine about it rather than learning to push through and adapt to hard situations. As much as GW's ruleset is imperfect and has obvious issues, there's still ways to work around changes in the meta and at the end of the day its a game. If you can't enjoy it (especially as an Ork player) then it really just may not be for you (no offense intended to those who are into the fluff/setting/modelling).

@Ghazkuul

I strongly urge you to listen to Brothererekose, he pretty much summed up what I tried to convey to you in the several threads we debated in the Proposed Rules forum. Orks may not be where we were back in our heyday in 4th-5th ed. but we can still make our opponent bleed and be a threat in our own right, we definitely don't go down without a fight.

I will give you this, I am extremely negative about the Eldar codex because it is broken and OP. Ive had a friend who plays Eldar point out things to me besides the Scatterbike and WK spam and its just broken. Firedragons comes to mind right away. but anyway.

I am not over reacting to the Codex, I didn't back out of the tournament I actually received a phone call saying "tournies off were down to 7 or 8" so I was a bit bummed. I had prepared a really good list and I had hoped to try it.

our TO did take steps to neutralize Eldar shenanigans but he didn't do much more then limiting it to 1 LoW regardless of Detachments and what not and that was about it.

If they managed to reorganize a tourny for this weekend I would be their to, even knowing that I will have to probably face 2-3 Eldar players. I don't care when im playing Tournaments and as broken as the Eldar codex is, i still think my orks have a chance so long as I can play better tactics then him/her.

As far as orks are concerned, this last codex is actually weaker then our 4th edition codex, all GW did was introduce 2 new units, rehash Flash gitz and to nerf a bunch of things that made orks fun. (Ramshackle, Ork Psychic shenanigans, Looted Wagonz and so on)

So don't view this as my personally attacking ALL Eldar everywhere, this was a very specific individual who acted like an arse and when nobody would play his tourny list (because we all brought Fluff lists) he got upset and started getting rather uppity with people. Now granted, Im kind of a dick myself once someone acts like that, after years of having to put uppity little pricks in their place it is rather hard for me to turn that part of my past off. regardless we were polite with him up until then and he refused to take the hint and eventually left.

IF tomorrow I go to the game store with my tournament list and a Eldar player is their with his Decurion shenanigans i'll gladly try it out for S&G and to study the eldar tactics. So please stop insinuating that this was me bashing EVERY ELDAR PLAYER! because again, one of my buddies is Eldar and is a great guy :-p

 Ghazkuul wrote:
I will give you this, I am extremely negative about the Eldar codex because it is broken and OP. Ive had a friend who plays Eldar point out things to me besides the Scatterbike and WK spam and its just broken. Firedragons comes to mind right away. but anyway.

I am not over reacting to the Codex, I didn't back out of the tournament I actually received a phone call saying "tournies off were down to 7 or 8" so I was a bit bummed. I had prepared a really good list and I had hoped to try it.

our TO did take steps to neutralize Eldar shenanigans but he didn't do much more then limiting it to 1 LoW regardless of Detachments and what not and that was about it.

If they managed to reorganize a tourny for this weekend I would be their to, even knowing that I will have to probably face 2-3 Eldar players. I don't care when im playing Tournaments and as broken as the Eldar codex is, i still think my orks have a chance so long as I can play better tactics then him/her.

As far as orks are concerned, this last codex is actually weaker then our 4th edition codex, all GW did was introduce 2 new units, rehash Flash gitz and to nerf a bunch of things that made orks fun. (Ramshackle, Ork Psychic shenanigans, Looted Wagonz and so on)

So don't view this as my personally attacking ALL Eldar everywhere, this was a very specific individual who acted like an arse and when nobody would play his tourny list (because we all brought Fluff lists) he got upset and started getting rather uppity with people. Now granted, Im kind of a dick myself once someone acts like that, after years of having to put uppity little pricks in their place it is rather hard for me to turn that part of my past off. regardless we were polite with him up until then and he refused to take the hint and eventually left.

IF tomorrow I go to the game store with my tournament list and a Eldar player is their with his Decurion shenanigans i'll gladly try it out for S&G and to study the eldar tactics. So please stop insinuating that this was me bashing EVERY ELDAR PLAYER! because again, one of my buddies is Eldar and is a great guy :-p

I run my events using the ITC ruleset that has toned D weps down a fair bit and has a limit on LOW. Works out really well. Depending on how well you know your local TO suggest looking into the ITC rule set. Reece at frontline is very accomadating with questions.
Unmodified 40k isnt something that works for legitimate tournys.

Well if GW wanted to kill competitive play than the Eldar codex was definitely the way to go it seems. Im just glad I know how to work things out prior to playsing people. I have a necron friend that in the sport of his special characters we sometimes add rules to them. Like Orikan the Diviner found some way to make immortals even more sturdy and gives all immortals a further +1 RP (breaking the maximum 4+ rule) that are within 12" of Orikan. It makes them pretty tough to kill I'll tell you that.

Traditio, I have bought 4 Imperial Knights and I think there's something seriously wrong with _you_.

I would play the guy's eldar list, if he wasnt a dick to play against, but I think 2 Revenants is pretty excessive.

 Xerics wrote:
Well if GW wanted to kill competitive play than the Eldar codex was definitely the way to go it seems. Im just glad I know how to work things out prior to playsing people. I have a necron friend that in the sport of his special characters we sometimes add rules to them. Like Orikan the Diviner found some way to make immortals even more sturdy and gives all immortals a further +1 RP (breaking the maximum 4+ rule) that are within 12" of Orikan. It makes them pretty tough to kill I'll tell you that.

I played a 2v2 the same day this event happened. it was my Orks with a Necron Player vs a Tau/IG army. The Necron player's models must have eaten more bullets that day then my orks could have in 3 games :-P the wraiths and Destroyers just kept getting roll after roll. It was amazing to watch and it made me fear playing a necron player a bit more :-P