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 Ahtman wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Sure...we either have faith in the system or we don't. If we do, then wishing death upon parties found innocent is a bit...something.

I think the point is more that one can be found not criminally guilty while also still ethically or morally guilty. People can agree with a court decision while still finding the other true, just as with the cases listed. The courts aren't there to determine the rightness or wrongness of thing, just whether they are innocent or guilty within a narrow parameter. Pretending that it is impossible to find Zimmerman problematic just because he was found not guilty of a criminal act is in itself a bit...something.

Therefore he needs to die. Because: feelings.

Btw, you're using the word parameter incorrectly.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Therefore he needs to die. Because: feelings.

I'm not sure how you made that leap from the law not encompassing all of ethics and morality to wanting something dead, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Btw, you're using the word parameter incorrectly.

Your long streak of being wrong continues unabated. Good on you.

 Ahtman wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Therefore he needs to die. Because: feelings.

I'm not sure how you made that leap from the law not encompassing all of ethics and morality to wanting something dead, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Btw, you're using the word parameter incorrectly.

Your long streak of being wrong continues unabated. Good on you.

The word you're looking for is criterion. And the discussion was about wishing death upon people judged innocent. At least try to keep up.

Ahtman wrote:

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Therefore he needs to die. Because: feelings.

I'm not sure how you made that leap from the law not encompassing all of ethics and morality to wanting something dead, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

daedalus wrote:Pity it wasn't a better shot.

Yeah, I have no idea how he might have made that leap...

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
The word you're looking for is criterion. And the discussion was about wishing death upon people judged innocent. At least try to keep up.

You can continue to show your lack of understanding but it doesn't change that getting into a semantic argument on the internet is typically a fools errand, and one I choose not to be part of.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Yeah, I have no idea how he might have made that leap...

I didn't say anything about it, nor did I quote that, but I was responded with to with it; I just stated the limitation of the law as arbiter of all things right or wrong.

Personally Z has always been morally and ethically in the right as well as legally. What's happened since? I don't follow him close enough to care.

Another one of these threads?

What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

 master of ordinance wrote:


What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

How would you propose we "deal" with him?

The media relentlessly stalks him. And he's a highly visible target for anyone wanting to lash out?

Perhaps you're proposing the US Gov't ships him across to the pond to live in Liverpool for his own protection?

 cincydooley wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:


What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

How would you propose we "deal" with him?

The media relentlessly stalks him. And he's a highly visible target for anyone wanting to lash out?

Perhaps you're proposing the US Gov't ships him across to the pond to live in Liverpool for his own protection?

With or without his 9mm?

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Personally Z has always been morally and ethically in the right as well as legally. What's happened since? I don't follow him close enough to care.

The constant media attention and likely threats has caused him to Crack in all likelyhood

 Jihadin wrote:


With or without his 9mm?

Well, hopefully someone would replace that garbage PF-9 he owned before.

Maybe a nice Ed Brown to send him away in style?

 master of ordinance wrote:
Another one of these threads?

What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

He was dealt with. He was (unjustly) put on trial, despite the overwhelming evidence that shows he never committed a crime in the first place. Ridiculed by the loudmouth media pundits and public officials, including the President of the United States. He was then the target of a civil rights violation by the Justice Department, despite there being no evidence to support such an investigation. That's just a brief overview, going into details just makes it worse. Like how mass media blatantly edited audio recordings to make him seem like a racist. Or how celebrities tried to give out his address which lead to innocent people having their lives threatened. And at the end of the day, these people still aren't done harassing him. Maybe he made himself a target? I don't have that answer, but at the end of the day he was acquired of the charges levied against him and if the news would quit reporting on him every-time he breathes in public, everybody would be better off.

Poor guy got a bum deal trying to protect himself from a proven violent thug, but all had to be done was play up racial sensitivity and boom, he is now a horrible person.

Aetaos'rau'keres wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Another one of these threads?

What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

He was dealt with. He was (unjustly) put on trial, despite the overwhelming evidence that shows he never committed a crime in the first place. Ridiculed by the loudmouth media pundits and public officials, including the President of the United States. He was then the target of a civil rights violation by the Justice Department, despite there being no evidence to support such an investigation. That's just a brief overview, going into details just makes it worse. Like how mass media blatantly edited audio recordings to make him seem like a racist. Or how celebrities tried to give out his address which lead to innocent people having their lives threatened. And at the end of the day, these people still aren't done harassing him. Maybe he made himself a target? I don't have that answer, but at the end of the day he was acquired of the charges levied against him and if the news would quit reporting on him every-time he breathes in public, everybody would be better off.

But at the same time as all that.... how is it that a woman who was perceived to be as monstrous as Casey Anthony been able to lay low and not resurface as often as this guy has?


I am inclined to believe that he has had, or does now have, an anger issue that severely needs addressing. Road Rage is usually a two or more party affair, he doesn't get shot at for doing 40 in a 35, or even for doing 35 in a 35, there has to have been actions and reactions on the part of both Z and the shooter.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Aetaos'rau'keres wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Another one of these threads?

What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

He was dealt with. He was (unjustly) put on trial, despite the overwhelming evidence that shows he never committed a crime in the first place. Ridiculed by the loudmouth media pundits and public officials, including the President of the United States. He was then the target of a civil rights violation by the Justice Department, despite there being no evidence to support such an investigation. That's just a brief overview, going into details just makes it worse. Like how mass media blatantly edited audio recordings to make him seem like a racist. Or how celebrities tried to give out his address which lead to innocent people having their lives threatened. And at the end of the day, these people still aren't done harassing him. Maybe he made himself a target? I don't have that answer, but at the end of the day he was acquired of the charges levied against him and if the news would quit reporting on him every-time he breathes in public, everybody would be better off.

But at the same time as all that.... how is it that a woman who was perceived to be as monstrous as Casey Anthony been able to lay low and not resurface as often as this guy has?


I am inclined to believe that he has had, or does now have, an anger issue that severely needs addressing. Road Rage is usually a two or more party affair, he doesn't get shot at for doing 40 in a 35, or even for doing 35 in a 35, there has to have been actions and reactions on the part of both Z and the shooter.

Think she had a Hell of a porn offer which she turned down unlike Amy Fisher

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Poor guy got a bum deal trying to protect himself from a proven violent thug, but all had to be done was play up racial sensitivity and boom, he is now a horrible person.

Don't forget that he deserves to die because: reasons.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:



But at the same time as all that.... how is it that a woman who was perceived to be as monstrous as Casey Anthony been able to lay low and not resurface as often as this guy has?

Because George Bush doesn't care about white babies?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Aetaos'rau'keres wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
Another one of these threads?

What is with this guy and why have your lot across the pond not dealt with him yet?

He was dealt with. He was (unjustly) put on trial, despite the overwhelming evidence that shows he never committed a crime in the first place. Ridiculed by the loudmouth media pundits and public officials, including the President of the United States. He was then the target of a civil rights violation by the Justice Department, despite there being no evidence to support such an investigation. That's just a brief overview, going into details just makes it worse. Like how mass media blatantly edited audio recordings to make him seem like a racist. Or how celebrities tried to give out his address which lead to innocent people having their lives threatened. And at the end of the day, these people still aren't done harassing him. Maybe he made himself a target? I don't have that answer, but at the end of the day he was acquired of the charges levied against him and if the news would quit reporting on him every-time he breathes in public, everybody would be better off.

But at the same time as all that.... how is it that a woman who was perceived to be as monstrous as Casey Anthony been able to lay low and not resurface as often as this guy has?

I am inclined to believe that he has had, or does now have, an anger issue that severely needs addressing. Road Rage is usually a two or more party affair, he doesn't get shot at for doing 40 in a 35, or even for doing 35 in a 35, there has to have been actions and reactions on the part of both Z and the shooter.

People were not able to put on their social justice pants in her case because race wasn't involved. The instance with Casey Anthony also started in 2008, compared to the shooting of Trayvon Martin which happened in 2012. Even though the verdict was rendered in, I believe 2011 for Casey Anthony, social media grew exponentially between the time of the initial missing child report for Caylee Anthony and the shooting of Trayvon Martin. So there was more focus on it, along with negative media attention and even the overreaching gaze of the White House fell onto the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman might very well have anger issues, but at this point in what I assume continues to be an ongoing investigation, there's no indication that he initiated the road-rage incident or is in any way culpable for the actions another motorist took.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Poor guy got a bum deal trying to protect himself from a proven violent thug, but all had to be done was play up racial sensitivity and boom, he is now a horrible person.

Well, beating his girlfriend didn't help either.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Poor guy got a bum deal trying to protect himself from a proven violent thug, but all had to be done was play up racial sensitivity and boom, he is now a horrible person.

Well, beating his girlfriend didn't help either.

Your proof of this is what?

 djones520 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Poor guy got a bum deal trying to protect himself from a proven violent thug, but all had to be done was play up racial sensitivity and boom, he is now a horrible person.

Well, beating his girlfriend didn't help either.

Your proof of this is what?

Assault allegations which the girlfriend didn't follow through on, which is textbook domestic abuse behaviour.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Poor guy got a bum deal trying to protect himself from a proven violent thug, but all had to be done was play up racial sensitivity and boom, he is now a horrible person.

Well, beating his girlfriend didn't help either.

Your proof of this is what?

Assault allegations which the girlfriend didn't follow through on, which is textbook domestic abuse behaviour.

Or just another person looking for their five minutes, and decided to get out before it got to hot.

The fact is, this mans life, and most likely psyche, has been destroyed for no reason at all. The world would be a better place for him, and everyone else, if we'd just ignore him, and stop trying to destroy him.

 djones520 wrote:

The fact is, this mans life, and most likely psyche, has been destroyed for no reason at all. The world would be a better place for him, and everyone else, if we'd just ignore him, and stop trying to destroy him.

The world would be a better place if he didn't wander around with a gun all the time. If he hadn't stalked and killed a guy he wouldn't be in his current situation. Likely he requires a lot of mental care but he doesn't seem to be getting that for some reason so he'll now go about his usual business until he encounters a similar armed angerball as himself and well he'll be lucky if he escapes alive again.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

The fact is, this mans life, and most likely psyche, has been destroyed for no reason at all. The world would be a better place for him, and everyone else, if we'd just ignore him, and stop trying to destroy him.

The world would be a better place if he didn't wander around with a gun all the time. If he hadn't stalked and killed a guy he wouldn't be in his current situation. Likely he requires a lot of mental care but he doesn't seem to be getting that for some reason so he'll now go about his usual business until he encounters a similar armed angerball as himself and well he'll be lucky if he escapes alive again.

Stop spreading this bs narrative. He didn't stalk anyone. He saw a suspicious person, he followed him for a bit, lost sight of him, and was then attacked by him. He shot that person because he was being savagely beaten. His head was being smashed on a concrete blocked. He rightfully feared for his life, and took action that was legally within in rights to. That is the only narrative that the facts corroborate.

Because people like you continue to spread this story that he did something wrong, is the reason he still has to live in fear for his life.

He saw a black guy walking home. The only reason Zimmerman was out was because he was looking for trouble. He ignored the 911 dispatcher's advice to stop following and wait for an officer. You choose to believe someone who sits around in his car waiting for people he can follow and confront and who in all seriousness claims that someone who just got shot actually says "you got me" as they die.

Rosebuddy wrote:
He saw a black guy walking home. The only reason Zimmerman was out was because he was looking for trouble. He ignored the 911 dispatcher's advice to stop following and wait for an officer. You choose to believe someone who sits around in his car waiting for people he can follow and confront and who in all seriousness claims that someone who just got shot actually says "you got me" as they die.

And you chose to defend a person who would brag about beating the gak out of people. Who lived a life in such a manner that his father didn't even realize he was "missing" when his school age son didn't come home for the night. Who despite no longer being followed, still turned around and attacked Zimmerman.

One person made the choice to engage in hostilities. One person. Yet everyone is blaming the person who was attacked. Dakka likes to make a sport of calling people out on victim blaming. Well I'm calling everyone out who thinks that defending your life from a gangster thug wanna be is wrong. You're the ones blaming the victim.

Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Nothing legally, or morally. Had Trayvon continued to walk away, gone back to his fathers home, he'd still be alive, no one would have been hurt, the world would have continued on. He is the one who made the decision to turn around, and attack a total stranger who was in no way a threat to him.

 djones520 wrote:


Stop spreading this bs narrative. He didn't stalk anyone. He saw a suspicious person,

When you can qualify what exactly made Martin suspicious you can continue that sentence.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


Stop spreading this bs narrative. He didn't stalk anyone. He saw a suspicious person,

When you can qualify what exactly made Martin suspicious you can continue that sentence.

A stranger in a housing community, walking around in the rain, after a recent string of break ins. That spells suspicious.

 djones520 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


Stop spreading this bs narrative. He didn't stalk anyone. He saw a suspicious person,

When you can qualify what exactly made Martin suspicious you can continue that sentence.

A stranger in a housing community, walking around in the rain, after a recent string of break ins. That spells suspicious.

Not to mention, wearing a hoodie... in FLORIDA, with the hood pulled as far over his face/head as possible. Which reminds me of the movie Hot Fuzz, when they are sitting in the patrol car and Sgt. Angel asks about "Mr. Treacher" who is wearing a heavy winter coat, when it is in no way weather appropriate (in the movie, it turns out he's wearing the coat because he's hiding his gat in it). My point here is, there really was a LOT to be suspicious about.

Rosebuddy wrote:
He saw a black guy walking home. The only reason Zimmerman was out was because he was looking for trouble. He ignored the 911 dispatcher's advice to stop following and wait for an officer. You choose to believe someone who sits around in his car waiting for people he can follow and confront and who in all seriousness claims that someone who just got shot actually says "you got me" as they die.

This is all to reminiscent of the medias portrayal of the event, despite the narrative not being an adequate representation of reality. The prosecutions own star witness, Rachel Jeantel, made it extremely difficult to believe that Zimmerman was the aggressor in the conflict. The timeline just doesn't add up. Martin had ample opportunity to return to his home had he been truly afraid for his life. There is no possible way Zimmerman caught up to Martin if he was chasing him, it just isn't realistic. As for what happened once they actually confronted each other, that's somewhat unclear. What we do know is that Zimmerman was wounded and Martin was shot one time from close range and aside from that gunshot he wasn't wounded as far as I remember. So it doesn't seem likely that they engaged in a fist fight before Martin was shot. It seems like Martin attacked Zimmerman, as he was the one wounded, and Zimmerman shot Martin one time in self defense.