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 MLaw wrote:
Oh so basically he was just being snarky.. again..

No, basically he was pointing out that despite 40K having built-in objectives, you can win the game by ignoring the objective and just wiping out your opponent. So 40K having built-in objectives doesn't automatically make it an objective-based game... the objectives still only count for anything if you want them to.

There was no snark that statement.

 judgedoug wrote:

Oh man, I wish. I would love to play games where you can achieve an objective, get wiped out, but still win (such as a delaying action or something).

Indeed. Some 40K tournaments I've played in went halfway there, with a rule whereby to claim the Major Victory when you table your opponent, you had to be able to satisfy the mission objective requirements within however many turns were left in the game, otherwise it counted as a Minor Victory (for fewer tournie points) instead. Outside of tournament games, I like the idea of the game counting as a draw in that case... (sure, you've wiped out your enemy, but unless that was your actual mission, you've ignored your mission parameters in order to do so) or of still comparing objectives where that would be applicable.

Maelstrom's Edge also goes some way towards 'fixing' this, by making the game far less reliant on actually killing enemy units... you're mostly just going to suppress them and out-maneuver them in order to rack up VPs as fast as possible, as the game ends the moment either player racks up enough VPs.

Tabling should never (IMO) be an auto-win, unless that's the actual mission objective.

Most games I play do still have tabling as an auto win, thinking about it.

However, most of them are also set up where, in a standard game it's effectively impossibly to table your opponent, or at least, very, very, very unlikely.

Marvel/DC Superheroes Universe: Generally speaking, most characters are tough enough and don't deal out quite enough damage, that it's actually possible to table an opponents team over the course of a 6 round game.

Batman: The game is all down to victory points (which you can gain from killing members of the other gangs), but if a gang is wiped out / leaves the board, the game continues until the final round, as normal. In fact, with some objectives, you can still keep on scoring points, even if your whole team is dead.

Dropzone Commander: On full sized games, there's just way way way too many units on the board, some of which act individually, and too many places to hide, for tabling to generally be a viable option. The way the game is set up, if at least 1 unit is left alive, it's falls down to Objectives as Victory Conditions. The number of points killed only ever matters if the objectives are drawn.

Dropfleet Commander: Has the same setup as DZC. Also, certain ships are VERY hard to kill in atmosphere. And wiping out Ground Assets is pretty hard too.

Deadzone, I haven't played V2 yet, but some victory conditions are entirely based on your team leaving the board...

Age of Sigmar does not have tabling as a win condition, so that's a game where you can win despite being wiped out.

 Mymearan wrote:
Age of Sigmar does not have tabling as a win condition, so that's a game where you can win despite being wiped out.

It says in the "Glorious Victory" section of the rulesheet you win if you wipe out your opponent.

motski wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Age of Sigmar does not have tabling as a win condition, so that's a game where you can win despite being wiped out.

It says in the "Glorious Victory" section of the rulesheet you win if you wipe out your opponent.

Yeah you're right, I probably should've added "in a Pitched Battle". The matched play scenarios don't use the standard victory conditions (glorious victory and sudden death). They're all about objectives and always last five rounds, so you'll have a hard time winning if you get wiped out since your opponent can keep playing to claim objectives, but it's possible!

My sci fi crazy box had

Fishman dreadball team
3x dreadball single minis (human, Orc, dwarf)
Mars attacks gorilla and human with shotgun
2 battlezone sprues (diagonal section and triangle)
Bag of restic forge fathers
Enforcer specialists (captain peacekeeper, sniper, Melee, missile launcher, engineer, 2 sentry guns)
2x marauders
2x gob snipers
2 x bomb dogs
6 x plague stage 3
2x plague dogs
1x rat broodmother
1x rat mobile gun
1x sprue of rat ogres

I'll keep the rats, snipers, dogs and terrain. The rest will go on eBay after Christmas.

First part of my warpath pledge just dropped in the UK

Ratking tangle & bodyguard (metal),

Murder Birds (also metal, kind of surprised as i'd thought it was originally intended to be their DS plastic or maybe resin, but I've looked and cant find out where I got that from)

both look ok superficially, but I'll need to actually build them to check the fit and so on but won't get a chance till after Xmas

(also my box had 559 written on it, not sure if that is some indication from mantic over where they were in shipping or a random thing added by the post office before delivery)

I like how they say they're shipping furthest to nearest, but it's always US -> UK -> EU -> OZ

The spokesperson misread, turns out the actual policy is to ship it to those who complain the quickest, loudest, and longest first and work backwards

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I like how they say they're shipping furthest to nearest, but it's always US -> UK -> EU -> OZ

I've seen Australian posts with pics of newly arrived pledges over the last couple days on Warpath FB groups.

I'm here in the US, I got my shipping notification 2 weeks ago and still haven't seen anything.

I haven't even seen a shipping notice. Of course, I have a shed-ton of corporation coming with vehicles (Mules and Interceptors). I'm in multiple waves.

i received my shipping notice...tuesday and had the box turn up today (i just had the forgefather army and the enforcer plane)

 greenskin lynn wrote:
i received my shipping notice...tuesday and had the box turn up today (i just had the forgefather army and the enforcer plane)

If I may ask, where are you located?

Got my box just now.

 Taaloc wrote:
I'm sure she is as bad as she looks (Loren Chard), but I'll wait until she arrives to be certain.

Received mine today and was pleasantly surprised to find that she's not a bad model at all really. I'll put my previous comments down to a poor photo and a dislike of the painter's style (I really don't like his style!)

What is this "shipping notice" you speak of?

It'd be good to get another update to let us know of the overall status of shipping, and how long they're closing down the warehouse for Christmas and New Years.

I got a shipping notice for a 48 delivery from Parcel force yesterday afternoon, turned up at 9 am this morning.

Didn't really get to look at the models much but I've got the books in my suitcase to read over Christmas

I'm starting to feel more than a little jealous.....

 cuda1179 wrote:

 greenskin lynn wrote:
i received my shipping notice...tuesday and had the box turn up today (i just had the forgefather army and the enforcer plane)

If I may ask, where are you located?

Tennessee

 greenskin lynn wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 greenskin lynn wrote:
i received my shipping notice...tuesday and had the box turn up today (i just had the forgefather army and the enforcer plane)

If I may ask, where are you located?

Tennessee

Hm... Gets me wondering. I've had people in Illinois, Tennessee, Kansas, and Nebraska all tell me they have their orders. I know I'm probably paranoid, but I do have a history of having Kickstarter and ebay purchases "go missing, but we swear we shipped it". That and my local postman has had a history of odd practices. He once had a "missing" package in his truck for 3 weeks and has a has a habit of putting my packages in my neighbor's mailbox as it is slightly larger than mine.

It might be if you're getting GPSC plastics (or whatever they called their IG) I think they're much-delayed and only arrived a few days ago from looking through their KS comments, so they will probably dispatch in January, which is why I probably still have nothing nor a shipping notice.

They could have communicated this a bit better. Or a lot better. Or at all via proper updates, but Mantic, so...

Seeing this thread bob up again reminds me that yes, I also pledged for their not-Imperial Guard from their not-Rogue Trader setting.

 Azazelx wrote:
It might be if you're getting GPSC plastics (or whatever they called their IG) I think they're much-delayed and only arrived a few days ago from looking through their KS comments, so they will probably dispatch in January, which is why I probably still have nothing nor a shipping notice.

They could have communicated this a bit better. Or a lot better. Or at all via proper updates, but Mantic, so...

So like in Update 77 when they said " These will be arriving this month and dispatched as soon as possible, although backers will likely receive these parcels in January. "?

Seen on Warpath facebook group. Makes me wish I had pledged for some plastic Asterians and GCPS now!

Well I'm glad I'm getting some of both!

When exactly that will actually be is anyone's guess though...

Any word on retail release yet?

 Azazelx wrote:
It might be if you're getting GPSC plastics (or whatever they called their IG) I think they're much-delayed and only arrived a few days ago from looking through their KS comments, so they will probably dispatch in January, which is why I probably still have nothing nor a shipping notice.

They could have communicated this a bit better. Or a lot better. Or at all via proper updates, but Mantic, so...

Actually the only things that I will have in wave one are ForgeFather infantry, a Strider, Plague Bursters, and a terrain accessory sprue. Wave two has my Forge Father Tank, and Mule.

Think they're saving the retail release for April, gives them time to focus on Walking Dead and Trident Realms for Q1 2017.

Then Q2 2017 for Warpath, probably followed by Dreadball v2 and Star Saga.

Only 2017 Kickstarter we're aware of currently is KoW Skirmish, which is basically going to be one rulebook, and lots of new hard plastic to fill out existing armies.

Mantic have said they can't do hard plastic without Kickstarter, and people don't like metal, so it looks like they are somewhat reliant on it to get high quality products to market.

Walking Dead might be their best seller yet, since they've mentioned it has sold 6 times better in its release month than any boxed game they've done before.

I don't really mind them using Kickstarter at this point, the hard plastic sprues they make with it are really high quality.

I think at this point it does need to be done in a way that reinforces their existing games rather than going off and making something new, so I'm looking forward to KoW Skirmish being a nice straightforward KS that makes new sprues for every army, with warband options (e.g. 20 models, with 4 sprues of 5 different infantry types) and regular infantry purchase options for KoW.

Would be really pleased with something like Abyssals getting plastic cavalry and heavy infantry to allow them to release a warband box while at the same time filling in gaps in the main KoW model range.

I think Mantic are really very lucky they got that out before the board game hits retail.

Though I think Warpath will be badly hurt if 8th Edition 40k ends up not being terribad, especially if they leave it until April.