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Hi Guys,

I am a SoB player and as some of you might know AS do not have any flyer as well as not body/weapon having sky fire rule (which make flyer a SoB nightmare).

For this reason I am seriously considering getting the AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER.

My point is not related to the price (85 pound which is too expensive and won't argue about) but is it really a "must have" when comparing with other factions?

It is AV 12/11/10, BS 3 and 2 HP, how ever its arsenal is impressive with its gatling canon (Str 6 Ap 3 Heavy 7), 2 lascanons and another upgrade (I am thinking of the Autocanon to had more AA weapon and being more versatile). all for 150 PTS (180 with the autocanons)

In addition, Heavy Support Slot are priceless for AS since we have the famous exorcist.

So far, I always played ignoring opponent flyers. I tend to play more and more competitive and have one fear: facing someone who spam the field with flyers.

Please share your opinion.

PS: please do not suggest any alliance solution. I , sometime, associate my girls with Inquisition (use to be the same codex anyway), but found this battle brother rule broken and very unfair for Xenos/Chaos players.

How is the battle brother rule broken? If anything, Inq and AS are awesome together.

Another option is to run dual CAD, and taking 2 sisters squad in the second cad with the ASF. Our local sisters player does this and has a very very good win/loss ratio

Yes and I would also field a CRASSIUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT to accompany it

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yes and I would also field a CRASSIUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT to accompany it

I wanted to say that

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yes and I would also field a CRASSIUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT to accompany it

Came in to the thread to find this comment. Was not disappointed.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yes and I would also field a CRASSIUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT to accompany it

What special about it?

 Xenophon00 wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yes and I would also field a CRASSIUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT to accompany it

What special about it?

It's Dakka's own meme. The ONE singular meme this board has produced

Depending on the point level you are playing at chances are you will have at least two HQs and 4 MSU troops in their transports.

This effectively opens up 6 heavy support slots for you.

I tend to bring 3 or 4 exorcists, which leaves room for a retributor squad and a strike fighter. That is at the 2500 level.

As for the plane itself, it's definately worth it. It's well suited to dealing with both infantry and tanks, even with no additional weapons.

My only grievance regarding it is carrying it around. It's a fairly big and akward resin model to try and fit in a foam case.

Xenophon00 wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Yes and I would also field a CRASSIUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT to accompany it

What special about it?

What's special about AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER to warrant writing it in all caps? Truth be told, CRASSUS came about from a very similar thread.

I used to have x2 of them that I ran with my Elysian Drop Troops and let me tell you they are NASTY! (In spirit with all the CAPS going around lol ). They bring a lot of nasty firepower to bear but realize that only having x2 Hull Points there is a good chance they can get destroyed quickly so when you fly on (and if you survive or your opponent lacks interceptor) make sure what you target is a high priority one. Also one of the reasons I ran x2 of them was because of how fragile they potentially can be.

Oh dear...
Did you really have to write AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER
Now we shall be doomed to write it in caps forever.

The ultimate battle: CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT vs AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER!

I don't like the model so no I wouldn't but if you like the model it does not seem a bad flyer?

For AA defence, in 6th and still in 6.5 I used the Ageis Quad gun with Retributors but that's not good in 7th IIRC?

Best answer for sisters flyer issue is the new eldar crimson hunter formation. 3 great flyers with basically tank hunter vs other flyers. vector dancer, permanent 4+ cover. crazy good

500 points for an Eldar 3-way formation is a bit much. Surely there are cheaper ways to do it.

440 but with sisters inexpensive units it's good.

I would put multilaser on it. Kinda expensive but it allows it to fulfill 2 roles easily.

The Avenger is a really good unit. It's a glass cannon, but its firepower for the cost is amazing and it makes FMCs cry.

As for upgrades, hellfury missiles. The main problem with the upgrade weapons is the limit on firing four weapons per turn at full BS. Usually you're going to want the main gun and the lascannons, so only one of your upgrade guns gets to shoot effectively. But you pay the full price for two weapons to get them. Hellfury missiles and bombs are the only exceptions: the missiles because they're an anti-horde weapon and if you're using them you don't really care about snap firing a lascannon, the bombs because the whole load counts as firing one weapon. But in my (limited) experience setting up a good bombing run is hard, so take the missiles.

I own 3, I use them with my militarum tempestus. I usually upgrade them with missile launchers as they provide some extra tankbusting oomf when youre faced with armor 13/14, as well as supplemental anti-personnel with the frag missiles when hunting infantry.


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Sidenote: The new Imperial Knights book lists the Avenger as Heavy 12. Should we expect an update to the Forgeworld rules?

I play Ordo Reductor and it's the only flyer available to me so far - its good, give it tank hunter and take the 4++ against missiles but keep away from other flyers it's better at ground targets because of strafing run.

this is a better option...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VOSS_PATTERN_LIGHTNING_STRIKE_FIGHTER.html

BS4 base for a start and is cheaper, has the same armour stats and comes with a twin linked lascannon, a bunch of missiles and the option for 'kracken' missiles 25pts a pair three pairs max, you can give it tank hunters and strafing run for 25pts twenty more you can make all shots from side and rear arcs -1S.
I don't mean to sound rude, but how did you look past it to see the avenger?
I mean, it's literally the first one and next to it!

I'm a bit jealous actually, the lightning is clearly the best anti-air option of the two.

Ah, so this is how dank memes are born. The AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER is quite a nice plane and I do recommend having at least one in your collection if you play imperial armies because it's so incredibly versatile.

 SirDonlad wrote:
this is a better option...

It's also a 30k-only option. The 40k Lightning is garbage.

I have only fielded my AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER a handful of times, but I have never regretted it. It typifies the Sisterhood battle style perfectly: Point it at something, and that thing dies, but look after it, because it is fragile, especially as the only thing in the army without an invulnerable save.

 SirDonlad wrote:
I play Ordo Reductor and it's the only flyer available to me so far - its good, give it tank hunter and take the 4++ against missiles but keep away from other flyers it's better at ground targets because of strafing run.

this is a better option...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Navy/VOSS_PATTERN_LIGHTNING_STRIKE_FIGHTER.html

BS4 base for a start and is cheaper, has the same armour stats and comes with a twin linked lascannon, a bunch of missiles and the option for 'kracken' missiles 25pts a pair three pairs max, you can give it tank hunters and strafing run for 25pts twenty more you can make all shots from side and rear arcs -1S.
I don't mean to sound rude, but how did you look past it to see the avenger?
I mean, it's literally the first one and next to it!

I'm a bit jealous actually, the lightning is clearly the best anti-air option of the two.

You have to tell me where you found the rules for the lighting cos in my 2012 edition of Aeronautica it is 145 its (only opts cheaper than the Avenger), only AV 10/10/10 and BS 3. In addition, missiles upgrade cost 40 its not 25pts.

Finally, can only be use by Imperial Guards. The only plane usable by SoB is the Avenger, Arvus and Aquila Lander

Xenophon00 wrote:
You have to tell me where you found the rules for the lighting cos in my 2012 edition of Aeronautica it is 145 its (only opts cheaper than the Avenger), only AV 10/10/10 and BS 3. In addition, missiles upgrade cost 40 its not 25pts.

Finally, can only be use by Imperial Guards. The only plane usable by SoB is the Avenger, Arvus and Aquila Lander

You are correct. They're thinking of a 30k-only version of the Lightning that is completely different from the 40k rules. I don't know why they brought it up in a discussion of options for a 40k army.

 Peregrine wrote:

Xenophon00 wrote:
You have to tell me where you found the rules for the lighting cos in my 2012 edition of Aeronautica it is 145 its (only opts cheaper than the Avenger), only AV 10/10/10 and BS 3. In addition, missiles upgrade cost 40 its not 25pts.

Finally, can only be use by Imperial Guards. The only plane usable by SoB is the Avenger, Arvus and Aquila Lander

You are correct. They're thinking of a 30k-only version of the Lightning that is completely different from the 40k rules. I don't know why they brought it up in a discussion of options for a 40k army.

No worries. Thanks for the input.

I own 3 avengers and love them.... For looks

They perform OK but don't expect them to last the game, they carry a reasonably good threat to multiple unit types but are costly both in money, points and the slot they fill. Gutted they aren't FA but equally I like fielding 3 avenger and 3 vultures in air can ig lists so it makes that possible

Also allies arent broken, the imperial forces need allies to be super comp where as elder and crons Def don't need it but it helps a little and can add flavo. I do feel sorry for chaos though

Yes I would field one and given you are playing sisters, I would not even feel bad about it. Let loose the righteous fury of the Emperor.

 Peregrine wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
this is a better option...

It's also a 30k-only option. The 40k Lightning is garbage.

really? jeez, i feel sorry for you guys - its awesome in the HH!

The AVENGER STRIKE FIGHTER is an awesome addition to the sisters ranks.

Proxy one to see if you like it before dropping big bucks on it.

Oh Omnissiah....

It's CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT thread again.