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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 14:24:37
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: Eilif wrote: To top it off a Military family is likely in an area with a much lower cost-of living than an urban min-wager. It's really not a fair comparison.
As a former soldier I agree with this.... Places like Oak Grove, KY or Hopkinsville, KY have much much lower cost of living rates than a place like Louisville (keeping it in state), or on the other side of the border, Clarksville is "cheaper" than Nashville.... Some of this is actually artificially low, IMO.
Take for instance, the housing market in Clarksville... the vast majority of houses are affordable on "most" soldiers BAH, and rental rates are about the same (though some places are seriously ridiculously over priced).
In places like JBLM, where my wife is stationed now, we're receiving significantly higher BAH rates and such, because the cost of living is so much higher due to idiotic state taxes, Tacoma's "big city costs" and a housing market that is fairly inflated due to the number of "high paying" jobs at Boeing, Amazon, etc.
Smaller communities like Clarksville, the housing rates are determined by BAH, because those are the primary customers. 30,000 families in Clarksville and Hopkinsville get BAH. So the market is going to price it at what the people can pay.
And I'd say many many bases are in metro areas. Macdill AFB, Tampa. JBLM, and Naval bases like you mentioned, Seattle/Tacoma. Scott AFB, St. Louis. There is 3 or 4 Army and AF bases in San Antonio. Naval bases in San Fran and LA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 14:57:42
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Soldiers are indeed on call 24/7. I had a first sergeant who thought he was clever who liked to schedule piss tests at three in the morning on Saturdays. We couldn't exactly say "nope, it's my day off."
Plus, especially if you live in the barracks, you have your boss - his boss and sometimes their boss walking through where you live whenever they feel like it. If you live in off post housing or married quarters it's generally less common but still perfectly legal for them to do.
And that's not bringing up random "Let's go hang out in the woods for a week, training!" crap that happens.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 15:07:18
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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It's partly my fault, but I think we're getting sidelined in the details of what 24/7 danger means and where military bases might be located. The Important fact is that the overall compensation (pay and benefits) package for a serviceman is far more than $15 an hour.
As for whether an unskilled worker is "worth" $15 and hour is only part of the discussion. The fact is that for many folks, their location, educational level or life circumstances dictate that only miniumum wage jobs are in their reach.
There are plenty of big boy jobs that pay better and require little education...
…is just not the case for many people.
The point of the minimum wage discussion is society collectively deciding and balancing two factors. Will the wages of those workers going to be wholly dependent upon how low employers feel they can drive wages? Or, will society decide to ensure that every worker can make a wage that (while not technically "living") is going to assist them in building toward a better future?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 15:09:31
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 16:43:13
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Frazzled wrote:
Where the  do you live in LA where a one bedroom is $1800 a month? pro-tip working folk don't live there. They live in the Inland Empire.
Even in the Inland Empire, average rent is over $1200/month, and if you're having to commute into LA proper, you can probably count on spending an extra $100-200 in gas over living in LA proper, so while it's cheaper, it's still not exactly the most affordable place in the world and is still not easy to get by on even $15/ hr, much less minimum wage.
Jerram wrote:
24/7/365 three numbers that are true for every single active duty person. Are you really using WWII mobilization timelines in a discussion about 2015 military readiness. I can't even begin to tell you how much that last sentence misses the reality of Sept 12 even if technically factually accurate
Because there's a difference between the theory of 24/7/365 and the reality? Most MOS's aren't going to get a call in the night and be told they're shipping out the next day, for many that would be a physical impossibility or simply isn't part of their job, particularly in response to JohnHwangDD's original blanket statement that "their life is on the line 24/7".
NuggzTheNinja wrote: JohnHwangDD wrote:An E-3 PFC has a base pay of $21.6k annually.
An E-5 Sergeant with 4 years experience has a base pay of $30k.
I'm sorry, but no burger flipper deserves as much as an an E-3, to say nothing of an E-5.
If you're an adult working for minimum wage at a zero-skill job, you don't deserve the wages of a professional soldier who puts his life on the line 24 hours a day.
Well put.
Furthermore the living wage argument is irrelevant. There are plenty of big boy jobs that pay better and require little education, they just aren't as cushy as fast food (and before you ask, yes as a teenager I worked fast food jobs. They are cushy jobs that should be filled by high school students who live at home, not lazy adults.
The idea that everyone working these jobs is "lazy" is a projection of perception. There's a lot of reason people may work these jobs. Often there may be nothing else available.
Likewise, the idea that these jobs should be held by teenagers is somewhat ridiculous. They aren't available at all hours (usually just 4-9pm), and quite frankly most of them simply aren't doing fast food anymore. Hell, after moving out of Southern Califonia to where I am now, I'm seeing far more 40+ people working the fast food joint than teenagers, and quite frankly they're putting much more effort into the job than the teenagers are. I did my stint at a burger joint when I was a teenager too, but even then, during my time there, there was only one other teenager there. The guy that had to go clean blood out of the bathroom after two people had kinky sex in there wasn't us teenagers, it was the 45 year old dude who also worked there who simply grabbed the mob and did it after the other teenager I worked with squeeked "eww that's so gross I can't go in there!".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 16:45:13
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I got a better idea.
Go out, get real jobs and stop asking me to pay 12$ a hamburger so you can get new iphone15.
And just so you all know, NO im not kidding this is how I feel. We shouldnt be paying people 15$ an hour to flip burgers.
15$ is for people who do real work
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 16:51:11
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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He does that a lot. Used to involve ponies. He improved (slightly).
Also, 'burger flipper' is the highest calling for sociology majors! Why rail against a pay raise that's planned for you before you even start?!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 16:54:24
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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timetowaste85 wrote:[
Also, 'burger flipper' is the highest calling for sociology majors! Why rail against a pay raise that's planned for you before you even start?!
Oh hush. He's on the PHD Researcher Track. Duh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:00:28
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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I'm flip-flopping on if I wanna go the graduate school.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:07:46
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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To those bemoaning burger flipping as not "real work" have you ever sat and watched a McDonalds crew? Those folks bust their bums. Working in fast food is just as the name suggests. It's often very fast-paced work.
Just because something doesn't require a degree, certification or even a high school education doesn't mean it's not real work.
I worked a summer as a gopher on a framing crew for a smidge over minimum wage. Anyone could have done that job, but it wasn't easy and it certainly wasn't any less or more deserving of the term "work" than burger flipping or upper management.
I don't deny that gopher has more physical labor, but I've done all kinds of low-wage jobs. Dogwalking, Walgreens, Theater Concessions. They were all "real work" and all deserving of respect. I'm really glad I'm not doing them anymore, but you won't find me demeaning the folks who do those moslty-thankless jobs. All this talk of "real work" strikes me as terribly class'ist and a pretty slippery slope. If fast food isn't real work, then what's next? What about other service industry jobs? Housecleaners? How about agricultural workers?
Work is work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:08:10
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I got a better idea.
Go out, get real jobs and stop asking me to pay 12$ a hamburger so you can get new iphone15.
And just so you all know, NO im not kidding this is how I feel. We shouldnt be paying people 15$ an hour to flip burgers.
15$ is for people who do real work
its silly to pay more then what they are worth for sure, the market could justify a 15$ wage, but it clearly does not.
The free market allows for some places to pay that high, and why not really? around here, mc d's workers really do get 12-15$ an hour, because labour is in shortage and the local economy is good.
other areas of the country are around 10-11$ per hour or slightly less.
Despite what the SJW's say, companies really do tend to pay higher if economics dictate that they need to, but raising min wage to 15$ artificially command economy style in areas where there is an abundance of labour already will to work for a lower the 15% hourly wage is just silly and doesmt actually account for reality.
and we dont pay people more for hard work, we pay people more for skilled work, no matter how hard fast food work is (been there done that) anyone can do it, so its not worth much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:09:04
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Sigvatr wrote: hotsauceman1 wrote:I got a better idea.
Go out, get real jobs and stop asking me to pay 12$ a hamburger so you can get new iphone15.
And just so you all know, NO im not kidding this is how I feel. We shouldnt be paying people 15$ an hour to flip burgers.
15$ is for people who do real work

And superior service!
I see extremely few "minimum wage" jobs here that aren't ESL (very secondary) immigrant. Why get a surly useless teenager when you can get someone who may have litterally braved life and death just to get here to do that job?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:09:48
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Yup, these iPad kiosks replacing FOH staff are making their way into fast casual dining as well, Chilis, for example:
https://creativecahoots.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/tablets-take-over-restaurants/
Stax does the same, with pretty much all FOH tasks handled by kiosk, including the ordering; they just have cooks and food runners, so it's lean and mean.
But don't take my word for it, or the BLS - that's just an exaggeration. Nothing to see here.
Unsustainable minimum wages are going to push for faster automation of unskilled labor.
If someone isn't already making $15/ hr, they can expect to be unemployed when the minimum hits $15.
So maybe it's not a big deal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:11:07
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Have you considered the exciting world of post mortem hair styling and fashion care?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:11:30
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Unsustainable minimum wages are going to push for faster automation of unskilled labor.
bingo!
once labour passes the tipping point, there will be no going back once the start up costs to automate have been justified.
mmmm free market, its delicious, you cannot beat it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:16:02
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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easysauce wrote:
Despite what the SJW's say, companies really do tend to pay higher if economics dictate that they need to, but raising min wage to 15$ artificially command economy style in areas where there is an abundance of labour already will to work for a lower the 15% hourly wage is just silly and doesmt actually account for reality.
"Reality" in this case is relative and false anyway, the fact that a minimum wage exists at all is an artificial element in a capitalist system. I don't say this as a bad thing, rather it's a very good thing.
In some places Fast food workers make $15 already based on market forces, but there are also places where the labor market is crowded enough that companies could pay $5 an hour. Minimum wage exists because we collectively say that people shouldn't be expected to sell their time for less than ____ an hour. Knowing what we do about the buying power of the minimum wage, and how far it has lagged behind inflation, that the current national minimum is $7.25 is a black mark on our nation and should be a stain on our conscience.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:16:50
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:
And while the person wouldn't know WHY they are doing it, I'd bet you could train someone to do what most scientists do, as far as loading up testing equipment and running tests, etc.
Not in a week. Use of some of the basic equipment certainly but there is far more involved in a Scientists day to day work than turning machines on and off. Science is one of those areas where you really need to know what you are doing and why you are doing it.
easysauce wrote:
bingo!
once labour passes the tipping point, there will be no going back once the start up costs to automate have been justified.
mmmm free market, its delicious, you cannot beat it!
What happens when no one is able to afford all those widgets made by automated factories because they have all been made unemployed?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:21:17
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Automation was likely to push a lot of these jobs out at some point either way, much like it did in the manufacturing industry in many areas.
In some places, automation isn't practical and/or the consumer base simply does not respond to it well.
In places where this wasn't true however, automation was likely inevitable, and we're simply seeing a slightly faster replacement, minimum wage or no.
In fact, automation is likely to put a lot of people out of work eventually, in far more fields than people could ever have thought imaginable.
Frazzled wrote:
And superior service!
I see extremely few "minimum wage" jobs here that aren't ESL (very secondary) immigrant. Why get a surly useless teenager when you can get someone who may have litterally braved life and death just to get here to do that job?
When I worked at a burger joint, this was definitely true of most positions. It certainly wasn't teenagers doing most of the work.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:27:01
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Frazzled wrote:
Have you considered the exciting world of post mortem hair styling and fashion care?
If he wants real money, he should have trained to be a plumber.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:37:42
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Howard A Treesong wrote:
Unskilled work does not mean the work has no value. No one is making you shop at McDonalds. And it's typical you paint the picture of the minimum wage worker as a kid flipping burgers and saving for an iPhone. Most minimum wage workers are people you don't see, sweeping floors and working on assembly lines. And they're earning money to put food on the table and keep the lights on. They can't go out and get a 'proper job' because they're unskilled. But their work is valuable, you'd soon whine if all the rubbish and dirt piled up at work and the toilets went uncleaned. You make me sick.
No, but it does mean their work is less valuable than more valuable work.
The value of a job is determined less by its necessity and more by its rarity. Sure, I absolutely need the floors and sinks and such in my restaurant cleaned. But its a job so simple a monkey could do it, and I can find a new person to do the job at the drop of a hat. Thats why its worth rock bottom in terms of wages.
Employees are sellers of labor. Employers are under no obligation to purchase any individual person's labor. And the price of said labor is not determined by what the Employee needs, its determined by what the Employer is willing to pay. You get paid relative to the value of the labor you are selling. If your labor isn't worth enough to cover your needs there shouldn't be some artificial requirement to pay you more than what you are worth. Its not your employer's problem that you aren't worth more than what you are.
If your labor isn't worth enough, it is your responsibility to make yourself more valuable.
Arguing otherwise would be akin to the following situation,
I make widgets in a particular market. There are 2 other widget makers as well. My widgets are of poorer quality than the others. I manage to get legislation passed which forces people to purchase my widgets for the same cost as they buy better widgets from the other sellers. Thats essentially what forcing overly high minimum wages does. It forces people to pay more for poorer quality labor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:39:55
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Thou shalt not create a machine in the likeness of the human mind. . .
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:45:19
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All I'm saying is the way to fix inequality isn't raising min wage. It's fixing a broken system in which education fails many people at every level. One that punishes poor people more for crimes than Those with money. a welfare system that is so broke you make more money living on welfare than not.
But I know how the world works in some ways. I know raising minimum wage will just shift. yeah, 15 dollars will be great for rent, until they Ellis law you outta your house.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 17:54:02
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Grey Templar wrote:[
Employees are sellers of labor. Employers are under no obligation to purchase any individual person's labor. And the price of said labor is not determined by what the Employee needs, its determined by what the Employer is willing to pay. You get paid relative to the value of the labor you are selling. If your labor isn't worth enough to cover your needs there shouldn't be some artificial requirement to pay you more than what you are worth. Its not your employer's problem that you aren't worth more than what you are.
Only partially true. The value of the labor can also be determined by what the society determines it to be collectively, which is where we get the minimum wage from. Pure unfettered captialism is a brutal system for most of it's participants, not to mention the environment. All this to say the price or value of USA labor is never totally in the hands of the market. And thank heavens for it. Does anyone with even a basic knowledge of history really want to go back to the days of pre-union industrialization and truely unfettered captialism?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 18:09:14
Subject: Re:L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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The Conquerer
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Not true. Just because minimum wage is set at X, doesn't make the value of labor equal to X. If it was, nobody would get paid more than minimum wage for anything.
Even if the minimum wage is $15, if a job is only worth $10 its still only worth $10. Everyone is just overpaying by $5.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 18:28:24
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Grey Templar wrote:Not true. Just because minimum wage is set at X, doesn't make the value of labor equal to X. If it was, nobody would get paid more than minimum wage for anything.
Even if the minimum wage is $15, if a job is only worth $10 its still only worth $10. Everyone is just overpaying by $5.
It's not an "equal to X" equation. The minimum wage is society saying labor is equal-or-greater in value to X. The market can say whatever it likes, but the value of having the market subservient to societal/government regulation is that we can curb it's worst tendencies for the benefit of our citizens and the stability of our society.
To be clear I'm not embracing pure capitalism or socialism here, rather I'm looking to a society that takes the best of both for the benefit of the majority of it's citizens rather than surrendering to the severe inequality inherent in rampant capitalism (the way America is headed) or the dronish stagnation that characterizes run-amok sociailsm (see Venezuela and Greece).
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Minimum wage isn't minimum wage. Enforcing it is stupid to say the least. Germany recently introduced minimum wage without debating it with the economy first. What happened? Minimum wage was introduced. Hooray. As a consequence, a lot of people now earn /less/ because several bonus payments such as holiday pay were cut. Politics, gentlemen. Minimum wage is a very good thing to have...but BY ALL MEANS, don't just enforce it. It WILL go wrong. 100%.
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The Conquerer
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If you think the US is headed towards rampant Capitalism you are sorely mistaken. Rampant capitalism did once exist, we know exactly what it looks like. We're not even close to that, and actually trending dangerously towards socialism in the coming years.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 18:33:45
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sigvatr wrote:Minimum wage isn't minimum wage. Enforcing it is stupid to say the least. Germany recently introduced minimum wage without debating it with the economy first. What happened? Minimum wage was introduced. Hooray. As a consequence, a lot of people now earn /less/ because several bonus payments such as holiday pay were cut.
Politics, gentlemen.
This is precisely why the Unions are trying to pull a fast one in LA, because they know a minimum wage triggers a chance for a renegotiation, which puts membership and automatic dues at at stake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 18:49:00
Subject: L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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No such thing as trending dangerously close to Socialism.
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My PLog
Curently: DZC
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/05/28 19:05:34
Subject: Re:L.A. Labor Unions seeking exemption from 15 per hour minimum wage for union firms
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Colonel
This Is Where the Fish Lives
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whembly wrote:
Scooty... I'm willing to listen, but c'mon man, it looks disingenuous on the surface dude.
My "backhanded" comment stems from my thinking that, if he's successful in getting that exemption, then it'll be easier for these Union shops to work with private industries (ie, retail/restarunts/etc..) to encourage new unions, in the effort to keep overall labor costs down.
He's asking for "special snowflake" treatments.
You're aren't 'willing to listen' because you've already made up your mind, Whembly. Have you read LA's minimum wage law or the proposal from Mr. Hicks? If the answer is "no" (which I'm positive it is), then your claim of being willing to listen is bs, because you've already decided to not listen at all and instead assume the worst about the people you already think you disagree with.
You're not fooling anyone.
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d-usa wrote:"When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people." |
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