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Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I just hope the travesty of the prequels gets reversed in Ep. VII, even if it's in the form of Fett getting some dialogue to the effect of "I found this beat up armor near the carcass of the sarlacc, took it, and with it, the mantle/prestige/ all that goes with being called Boba Fett
Instead of this utter ridiculous "I'm a clone, just like the troopers, but I'm somehow a better clone because, reasons" story they gave him.
You will be disappointed then. His background carries through into the Star Wars: The Clone Wars cartoon. He's a whiny snot nosed kid who runs with a bunch of bounty hunters that for some inexplicable reason don't murderface him right from the start. Basically, as more and more Fett stuff comes out, he gets worse and worse.
dogma wrote:Leia wins, of course, but it reads exactly as ridiculous as it looks.
That is ... pretty ridiculous.
timetowaste85 wrote:I disagree with the Vong statement. Star Ware EU either recycled fights against a new Empire or tried something new: an enemy that was anathema to the Force. The concept was good. The execution is subject to subjective opinion, but the idea of trying something new instead of rehashing the same old plot line should be applauded, not torn down.
And for what it's worth, I enjoyed the Vong story. gak got real there. Anakin died, Chewie died, Jacen went psycho. Yeah. gak went down. The good guys seriously got their asses kicked, and plot armor didn't save them.
The Vong story was garbage from the beginning, though it did have some shining moments.
"Here is a race that is completely immune to the Force and doesn't show up in it at all!" We know that the Force runs through all living things. This race is full of living things, wearing living things, using living things and flying in living things. They should show up in the Force. But we've seen other Force-immune creatures before (Thrawn wears a ysalamiri, for instance), so it's not unknown. They basically wanted to make the Vong seem big and bad ass because how do you fight someone that can change your mind for you? Until you learn the reason they don't show up in and aren't subject to the Force:
Spoiler:
You see, this entire RACE from another galaxy, and all their weapons, ships, armor and gear all over the Galaxy, are being shielded by a Force sensitive Vong. So the great secret is that the race IS actually force sensitive, not naturally force immune or anything, it's one guy doing it for everyone everywhere.
So in the end they actually aren't "anathema to the Force", they're just a part of it, being controlled by a lunatic even more powerful than the Emperor, since he can cloak an entire living race, their weapons, their armor, their ships, the bio-enhancements, everything 24/7.
Absolute garbage. I mean, ignoring that the Vong are basically a bio-tech version of the Borg to begin with (instead of nano-tech), the entire concept is hilariously bad. They're basically militant space hippies. Trees not concrete... or we burn your world to ash. We want everything to be natural! So we're going to completely destroy your natural world and mutate it into a version of ours! You race of sentient trees? We're going to burn your forests because reasons.
We know that the Force runs through all living things. This race is full of living things, wearing living things, using living things and flying in living things. They should show up in the Force. But we've seen other Force-immune creatures before (Thrawn wears a ysalamiri, for instance), so it's not unknown. They basically wanted to make the Vong seem big and bad ass because how do you fight someone that can change your mind for you? Until you learn the reason they don't show up in and aren't subject to the Force:
No, that's an in-universe belief, but is not demonstrated to be true. "The Living Force" is a Jedi philosophy, not incontrovertible fact.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
We know that the Force runs through all living things. This race is full of living things, wearing living things, using living things and flying in living things. They should show up in the Force. But we've seen other Force-immune creatures before (Thrawn wears a ysalamiri, for instance), so it's not unknown. They basically wanted to make the Vong seem big and bad ass because how do you fight someone that can change your mind for you? Until you learn the reason they don't show up in and aren't subject to the Force:
No, that's an in-universe belief, but is not demonstrated to be true. "The Living Force" is a Jedi philosophy, not incontrovertible fact.
Fact or not, the specifics of sensing things through the Force is well shown.
Living things can be sensed through the Force.
Anakin Solo, among others, actually manages, at one point, to sense the Vong through the Force.
Thus, the Vong can be sensed through the Force.
And yet, for most of the beginning of the Vong Wars, they are this giant black hole in the Force. They are, their living equipment is, their living weapons are, their living ships are. It is explained, in Universe mind, as being caused solely for the reasons I specified before.
If memory serves, it wasn't a Force Sensitive Vong. It was Vergere: a Jedi who left the order back when Obi Wan was training Anakin (read Rogue Planet, I believe, if memory serves). Vergere ended up being a secret advisor while working to defeat them from the inside and used Jacen to help.
And I still enjoyed the Vong series. And looks like I'm not the only one from this thread alone.
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We know that the Force runs through all living things. This race is full of living things, wearing living things, using living things and flying in living things. They should show up in the Force. But we've seen other Force-immune creatures before (Thrawn wears a ysalamiri, for instance), so it's not unknown. They basically wanted to make the Vong seem big and bad ass because how do you fight someone that can change your mind for you? Until you learn the reason they don't show up in and aren't subject to the Force:
No, that's an in-universe belief, but is not demonstrated to be true. "The Living Force" is a Jedi philosophy, not incontrovertible fact.
Fact or not, the specifics of sensing things through the Force is well shown.
Living things can be sensed through the Force.
Anakin Solo, among others, actually manages, at one point, to sense the Vong through the Force.
Thus, the Vong can be sensed through the Force.
And yet, for most of the beginning of the Vong Wars, they are this giant black hole in the Force. They are, their living equipment is, their living weapons are, their living ships are. It is explained, in Universe mind, as being caused solely for the reasons I specified before.
And there's plenty of previous examples of various species in the galaxy being immune to one, some or all Force effects. Hutts, for example, are immune to mind-affecting powers. Certain creatures bred through Sith Alchemy are immune to just about everything you could want to throw at them, except maybe thermal detonators.
Sensing a creature in the Force by its absence, rather than its presence, is really not so far-fetched a concept. Especially if they show up as "black holes" in how a given Force Sensitive perceives the Force, you'd note "huh, there should be something there, but there isn't..."
Miraluka, for example, can sense entirely non-living matter solely through the Force. That's how they avoid spilling food on themselves, walking into walls, stepping on rakes and all other kinds of blind-person slapstick events. Never mind the fact that they're eyeless, they perceive the world around them through the Force, and can react to mundane physical objects just fine. There's really no living energy involved in that, just the Force. On top of that, there are Force-using creatures who are entirely inorganic. To call them "living" is a bit of a stretch, since they're sentient crystals with droid bodies.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
How is not being a part of the force a big deal. use your eyes, not your feelings Luke, and shoot them up.
The EU sounds like a really bad version of the really bad prequels.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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If this film goes wrong, the nerd rage will be something to behold.
If Washington had any sense, they would direct it towards Putin, even a bare chested, ex-KGB agent, would be powerless to fight off the hordes of angry Star wars fans descending on Moscow. They could succeed where the Wehrmacht and Napoleon failed
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Well the prequels were giant turd fests and in the end that hasn't really destroyed enthusiasm in a meaningful way; it doesn't matter to to many people whether it is good or not as long as it has "Star Wars" officially in the title.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Most of the EU stuff is dreadful and to try and make a new Star Wars film fit around it would have been a huge millstone around Abrams' neck. Dropping it was the correct decision.
"And if we've learnt anything over the past 1000 mile retreat it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation!"
Frazzled wrote: How is not being a part of the force a big deal. use your eyes, not your feelings Luke, and shoot them up.
The EU sounds like a really bad version of the really bad prequels.
That depends. The KOTOR games are part of the EU and they were amazing. There were some really good comics also. I think Star Wars Legacy was pretty good.
Frazzled wrote: How is not being a part of the force a big deal. use your eyes, not your feelings Luke, and shoot them up.
The EU sounds like a really bad version of the really bad prequels.
That depends. The KOTOR games are part of the EU and they were amazing. There were some really good comics also. I think Star Wars Legacy was pretty good.
In my opinion, the best EU stuff was stuff that happened before the Prequels in the timeline. The bad stuff mostly happened after the OT. There was some goodstuff too, but not enough to counteract.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Also, disney said "EU doesnt exist anymore, all novels, tv, games, porn parodies and so for are not canon and are What IF"
That's not what Disney said.
Not at all. In fact Star Wars Rebels has officially blessed The Clone Wars as canon with the introduction of Ahsoka Tano into it (apparently she's a Rebellion cell operator, which is seven different kinds of awesome if you're a fan of the Clone Warss). At Star Wars Weekend two weeks ago (which i was at ! woot!) James Arnold Taylor (obi wants voice) and TIya Sicar (Sabine's) also disclosed that Captain Rex is making a comeback in Rebels as well (and we were shown footage in a symposium). So that's basically the whole-hog blessing of the entire Clone Wars story lines by Disney (who is the operator behind Star Wars Rebels).
So Disney has not pooped all over the EU, and they certainly never said that.
Though i wouldn't be surprised if some things exit stage left and others are entered into canon.
No, Twitter statements say that almost all of the EU is gone. The only things that are still canon were the old "T" canon, IE the Clone Wars Show. KOTOR? Gone. Rogue Squadron books? Gone. Tales of the Bounty Hunters? Gone. Thrawn? Gone. Etc. The only stuff canon now is new material that has been given the approval stamp by Lucasfilm.
Really wish that if they were retconning pretty much all of the EU, they would have done away with that godawful 3D series as well. It completely aped Star Wars and had some of the most annoying characters since Annie and Jar Jar (Ashoka).
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”
Ahsoka got much better as time went on. She was awful to start, but got much better and became a decent character. The whole show started fairly crappy, but by the end it was great (picked up around end of season 2, start of 3). And Maul really got fleshed out when he showed up. He became what he SHOULD have been all along: a true villain, not just a guy who was good with a saber.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Ahsoka got much better as time went on. She was awful to start, but got much better and became a decent character. The whole show started fairly crappy, but by the end it was great (picked up around end of season 2, start of 3). And Maul really got fleshed out when he showed up. He became what he SHOULD have been all along: a true villain, not just a guy who was good with a saber.
Yeah, Maul in Clone Wars was the best thing ever done with the Prequel era.
Ashoka was annoying in the film and series 1, but by the end was quite the badass... She also did a lot for Anakin's character as well (same could be said for CW as a whole).
And going by series one of Rebels, Ashoka also appears to have
Spoiler:
Coordinated the formation of the Rebel Alliance, which is in itself awesome.
Frazzled wrote: How is not being a part of the force a big deal. use your eyes, not your feelings Luke, and shoot them up.
The EU sounds like a really bad version of the really bad prequels.
That depends. The KOTOR games are part of the EU and they were amazing. There were some really good comics also. I think Star Wars Legacy was pretty good.
In my opinion, the best EU stuff was stuff that happened before the Prequels in the timeline. The bad stuff mostly happened after the OT. There was some goodstuff too, but not enough to counteract.
The Old Republic was my favorite era. Lots of crazyness going on in that time and it was before the Rule of 2.
Psienesis wrote: And there's plenty of previous examples of various species in the galaxy being immune to one, some or all Force effects. Hutts, for example, are immune to mind-affecting powers. Certain creatures bred through Sith Alchemy are immune to just about everything you could want to throw at them, except maybe thermal detonators.
Sensing a creature in the Force by its absence, rather than its presence, is really not so far-fetched a concept. Especially if they show up as "black holes" in how a given Force Sensitive perceives the Force, you'd note "huh, there should be something there, but there isn't..."
Miraluka, for example, can sense entirely non-living matter solely through the Force. That's how they avoid spilling food on themselves, walking into walls, stepping on rakes and all other kinds of blind-person slapstick events. Never mind the fact that they're eyeless, they perceive the world around them through the Force, and can react to mundane physical objects just fine. There's really no living energy involved in that, just the Force. On top of that, there are Force-using creatures who are entirely inorganic. To call them "living" is a bit of a stretch, since they're sentient crystals with droid bodies.
I think we're talking past each other here. I have already acknowledged (bolded below) that there are other creatures that are, for various reasons, immune to aspects of the Force:
streamdragon wrote: "Here is a race that is completely immune to the Force and doesn't show up in it at all!" We know that the Force runs through all living things. This race is full of living things, wearing living things, using living things and flying in living things. They should show up in the Force. But we've seen other Force-immune creatures before (Thrawn wears a ysalamiri, for instance), so it's not unknown.They basically wanted to make the Vong seem big and bad ass because how do you fight someone that can change your mind for you? Until you learn the reason they don't show up in and aren't subject to the Force:
In that post, I also state why the Vong were written to be immune (underlined above). ****SPOILERS BELOW****
What I think makes most of the Vong stuff garbage, almost retroactively, is the in-universe explanation for WHY the Vong don't show up in the Force. (They don't actually appear as a big blank spot, btw, that was hyperbole on my part.) They don't show up in the Force, and aren't subject to the Force, because a single Force Sensitive Vong is somehow shielding every single Vong, every single bit of Vong gear, every single Vong weapon, and every single Vong ship, everywhere in the Galaxy, simultaneously, 24/10 (10 days in a Star Wars week). A race which was essentially Force-neutered by their living planet (lol worthy to begin with), suddenly has literally the single most powerful Force user ever to exist. Because every time a new amphi-staff is grown? He shields it from the Force. Every time a new Vong is born? Boom, bigger shield. It's ludicrous, even for Star Wars. It's also hilariously inconsistent in the writings: the Force protection should have dropped the moment he died right? Wrong. Even in the friggin Star Wars Legacy comics, 150 years after the death of Luke Skywalker, they are still blanks in the Force, except whoops, their protector died over a century before.
It's that sort of inconsistency, btw, that makes me actually look forward to a new, consistent EU.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
They are a Near-human species that is related to humans, but is its own distinct species. They're not humans, at least not any more.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
timetowaste85 wrote: Ahsoka got much better as time went on. She was awful to start, but got much better and became a decent character. The whole show started fairly crappy, but by the end it was great (picked up around end of season 2, start of 3). And Maul really got fleshed out when he showed up. He became what he SHOULD have been all along: a true villain, not just a guy who was good with a saber.
Yeah, Maul in Clone Wars was the best thing ever done with the Prequel era.
Ashoka was annoying in the film and series 1, but by the end was quite the badass... She also did a lot for Anakin's character as well (same could be said for CW as a whole).
And going by series one of Rebels, Ashoka also appears to have
Spoiler:
Coordinated the formation of the Rebel Alliance, which is in itself awesome.
IRT your spoiler...
That's much, much better than what we were told in the Force Unleashed. Which was, frankly, dumb. Fun game... but dumb.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
"I am a gakky ass movie maker that makes gakky movies that gets good ratings because well my movies are being judged by the standard of summer movies and I have every right to invalidate the stories of writers waaaaaaaaaay more talented then me"
I also think of the same for Dave Filoni
Personally, I prefer George Lucas because at least he respected the expanded universe more than them
"I am a gakky ass movie maker that makes gakky movies that gets good ratings because well my movies are being judged by the standard of summer movies and I have every right to invalidate the stories of writers waaaaaaaaaay more talented then me"
I also think of the same for Dave Filoni
Personally, I prefer George Lucas because at least he respected the expanded universe more than them
George Lucas, respect the EU? Pull the other one, mate, it's got bells on!
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"I am a gakky ass movie maker that makes gakky movies that gets good ratings because well my movies are being judged by the standard of summer movies and I have every right to invalidate the stories of writers waaaaaaaaaay more talented then me"
I also think of the same for Dave Filoni
Personally, I prefer George Lucas because at least he respected the expanded universe more than them
George Lucas, respect the EU? Pull the other one, mate, it's got bells on!
He was involved in the making of the Old republic; in addition in the remaster of the original triology, there were quite a few expanded universe references added
This is the future of Star Wars people, we just need Ewoks doing the gangnam style and Darth Vader Twerking so that kids will like it
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"I am a gakky ass movie maker that makes gakky movies that gets good ratings because well my movies are being judged by the standard of summer movies and I have every right to invalidate the stories of writers waaaaaaaaaay more talented then me"
I also think of the same for Dave Filoni
Personally, I prefer George Lucas because at least he respected the expanded universe more than them
George Lucas, respect the EU? Pull the other one, mate, it's got bells on!
He was involved in the making of the Old republic; in addition in the remaster of the original triology, there were quite a few expanded universe references added
And the "remasters" of the original trilogy added nothing of value.
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"I am a gakky ass movie maker that makes gakky movies that gets good ratings because well my movies are being judged by the standard of summer movies and I have every right to invalidate the stories of writers waaaaaaaaaay more talented then me"
I also think of the same for Dave Filoni
Personally, I prefer George Lucas because at least he respected the expanded universe more than them
George Lucas, respect the EU? Pull the other one, mate, it's got bells on!
He was involved in the making of the Old republic; in addition in the remaster of the original triology, there were quite a few expanded universe references added
And the "remasters" of the original trilogy added nothing of value.
Demonstrably untrue. The dancing and singing at Jabba's Palace completely changed the tone of the film and greatly enhanced Return of the Jedi.
