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So I just saw an email release from GW. $140 australian for a 10 man assault squad.....

There was a time when I said to people who complained about the price of new models, 'if it's too hot get out of the sun'

But dam, $14 each for an assault model which prob dosent even give you all the weapon options, looks like I'm joining them in the shade playing bolt action.

It’s pricy, no arguments. But the kit does look like it gives you almost all the options. The sarge won’t have a full range of power weapons, and might be missing one or two other things, but this box looks to have all the gear options for the squad.

Assuming nothing major changes when the new codex drops.

HAHAHA oh wow, i just saw this... i thought they typod the australian pricing, BUT its 50 pounds in the UK. what in the heck happened here?

Now if only assault marines were good... But they're mostly harmless.

I am not really surprised. We all know that elite troops are always pricey, and new kits would have no reason to be exceptions.

Ahh Thanks GW Every time I start to think PP is a bit pricey for its units you come along and show that by comparison they are nice and cheap

Yes, it's pricey, but it's great value when you consider that you get this incredibly well designed bare head, which can be painted to this exquisite standard.

This is kind of a weird box.

It gives you the components to build 5 models all told, but it comes with enough torsos for 10.

 Kanluwen wrote:
This is kind of a weird box.

It gives you the components to build 5 models all told, but it comes with enough torsos for 10.

Not that weird, Assault Squads have the option to remove jump packs, so it comes with non-jump pack torsos to go with the regular backpacks.

 Gashrog wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This is kind of a weird box.

It gives you the components to build 5 models all told, but it comes with enough torsos for 10.

Not that weird, Assault Squads have the option to remove jump packs, so it comes with non-jump pack torsos to go with the regular backpacks.

I know that part; I just find it weird that they actually included the option when you could basically do the same thing with a set of Tactical Marines and random bits and bobs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gashrog wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
This is kind of a weird box.

It gives you the components to build 5 models all told, but it comes with enough torsos for 10.

Not that weird, Assault Squads have the option to remove jump packs, so it comes with non-jump pack torsos to go with the regular backpacks.

I know that part; I just find it weird that they actually included the option when you could basically do the same thing with a set of Tactical Marines and random bits and bobs.

Why would they leave an avenue open where you convert tacs into assault marines using your bitz box, when they can instead make a weeks rent off you? £50? Who do they think they are kidding? That is a 317% price increase in 11/12 years. (£12 a box when I was in 6th form).

As much as these Dakka Maelstrom ads are annoying, that kickstarter is starting to look at lot more competitive. As are all the 3rd party models. Wasn't really buying any GW models, no reason to get back into a bad habit.

Well, it's nice seeing the eviscerator chainsword at least. I'm probably going to get a box of these when they come out to see how the kits are. Looks like a good amount of bits.

I am amazed that GW doesn't just pull out of Australia and have them order from the UK.

The price seems ridiculous to you guys, but for the rest of the world, the price increase is like $8-$9 for a significantly better kit. It really doesn't make sense to me; I guess, a lot of Australia overhead relative to sales? So strange; if this is so they should just work with a distributor or freight forwarder there.

$98 Canadian for 10 dudes... That is more than $10 per mini, the 5 man kit being slightly more expensive.

Holy fuckety feth feth....

The minis look the same even!

Who wants to bet that those Chapter Upgrade sprues are about to herald the end of faction specific Tac kits? Oh what's that you say? They just released a Tac kit for BA? Yeah okay. That's a valid point... :looks at 6th ed Knight codex:

The new 5 man assault squad costs £25. How much did the old one cost?

darkcloak wrote:
$98 Canadian for 10 dudes... That is more than $10 per mini, the 5 man kit being slightly more expensive.

Holy fuckety feth feth....

The minis look the same even!

Who wants to bet that those Chapter Upgrade sprues are about to herald the end of faction specific Tac kits? Oh what's that you say? They just released a Tac kit for BA? Yeah okay. That's a valid point... :looks at 6th ed Knight codex:

1. If you think that $98 for 10 models is expensive, you would have thought $80 for 10 models was expensive before. I doubt you would have bought that one either.
2. The minis don't look anything like each other, and they don't look anything like the old ones. A blind man with a stick could grope his way to the differences between them.
3. The Chapter Upgrade sprues are preordered out of the yinyang at my local store. They have like more than a hundred already spoken for!
4. As BA person who owns 3 BA Tactical boxes, 8 Death Company and 3 or 4 (or so) Sanguinary guard, I happily bought 5 BA upgrade sprues. There are some cool parts on there, like more lipped shoulder pads and the unique chest pieces. I bought 1 of the SW ones too, because the backpack on it is awesome.
5. If you aren't into the modelling aspect, OBVIOUSLY, the upgrade frames are a total waste of money. If you are, they are a much, much better deal than the old shoulder pads, which were only a few bucks less and came with ONLY 10 basic shoulder pads. And, those shoulder pads were the old (like, more than 10 year ago) size.

 Sir Arun wrote:
The new 5 man assault squad costs £25. How much did the old one cost?

I don't have the answer, but I suspect 20-21 GBP.

That's the next thing to annoy me, you can shell out $490 aud or what ever it is to get the first company box set, but it costs you exactly the same to buy all the boxes individually.... Where is the incentive to buy in bulk?

A box of 5 assault marines for $70 or 10 for $140.

WORST MARKETING STRATEGY EVER.

Australian comparison- 2000pts of bolt action is about $250

That funny moment when SoB are now CHEAPER than smarines

Assault marines have always been expensive. Even back in 2nd ed, you got 5 of them for the same price as you'd get 10 tacticals. Not that I'm saying that justifies the price tag. -You're essentially getting charged the price of a whole tactical marine just for that jump pack. Disparity in model price is understandable in the case of sternguard, vanguard (higher detail / many parts) and terminators (higher detail, bulkier models). Not so much for regular assault marines...they're not even elites.

On the upside, the eviscrator....eviscirator....two-handed chainsword looks damn nice.

 Talys wrote:
5. If you aren't into the modelling aspect, OBVIOUSLY, the upgrade frames are a total waste of money. If you are, they are a much, much better deal than the old shoulder pads, which were only a few bucks less and came with ONLY 10 basic shoulder pads. And, those shoulder pads were the old (like, more than 10 year ago) size

I'm really into the modelling aspect of building up my CSM army, and I find those upgrade frames like an absolute and terrible waste of money.

When I want some of my CSM to have individual and unique shoulderpads, I get 10 plain and compatible pieces at 1 cent each and do some work with green stuff and various bits on top of them. I'm far, very far from being truly good at working with green stuff, but still I'm usually quite satisfied with the result.

Plus I don't have to spend 10€ per upgrade frame

That forehead is totally bizarre.

 aprilmanha wrote:
Ahh Thanks GW Every time I start to think PP is a bit pricey for its units you come along and show that by comparison they are nice and cheap

Actually, model for model GW is cheaper than PP most of the time.

 Talys wrote:
1. If you think that $98 for 10 models is expensive, you would have thought $80 for 10 models was expensive before. I doubt you would have bought that one either.

Do you work for GW's marketing team?

It's attitudes like that which have led to GW's slow decline over the years. "If there were paying X they'll be fine paying 20% more than X". Yeah, until they aren't and you lose a bunch of customers, lol.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Talys wrote:
1. If you think that $98 for 10 models is expensive, you would have thought $80 for 10 models was expensive before. I doubt you would have bought that one either.

Do you work for GW's marketing team?

It's attitudes like that which have led to GW's slow decline over the years. "If there were paying X they'll be fine paying 20% more than X". Yeah, until they aren't and you lose a bunch of customers, lol.

This ^

GW is slowly pricing people out of the game. Remember when they swapped from pewter to "keep costs down?" I started playing this game in the early 90's, when I was a kid. With allowance and odd jobs, I could scrape together enough to play the game. But now I have no idea how kids, GW's increasingly targeted audience, are supposed to play this.

That being said, on GW's relative scale, the new Assault Squad box doesn't seem that bad.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Talys wrote:
1. If you think that $98 for 10 models is expensive, you would have thought $80 for 10 models was expensive before. I doubt you would have bought that one either.

Do you work for GW's marketing team?

It's attitudes like that which have led to GW's slow decline over the years. "If there were paying X they'll be fine paying 20% more than X". Yeah, until they aren't and you lose a bunch of customers, lol.

I know what you mean. However, pricing curves are not perfectly smooth. There is a HUGE difference between $50 and $80 (your previous jump, I think I read?), much less of a difference between $80 and $100. Personally, I think $80 or $100 for Assault Marines is awfully steep, and there's a pretty good chance that either is beyond what I'm willing to spend on them.

On the other hand, if I'm picking up boxes for $80... bleh, f*ck it, I'm already past the point of no return. It's already so high that if I could buy that without feeling bad, it wouldn't matter if they were $100. I guess that's what I mean

To take an extreme example, a normal-ish 1850 army might be $600 after discounts around here (with really nice stuff!). If they raised that 20% to $720, but I got nicer models... **shrug**.

If that same $600 army -- $900 undiscounted -- were $1,800 in Australia (it seems you guys don't get nice big discounts like us AND it costs twice as much MSRP...), I'd probably pick a different hobby/game. Or read a book. Or write a book. Or just spend time with the wife watch movies and be a couch potato But if I had so much money that $1,800 didn't matter, and it went to $2160, well, what the hell. Not like you can take it with you, right?

Don't get me wrong.. $80.. $98... super-expensive!

Korinov wrote:

 Talys wrote:
5. If you aren't into the modelling aspect, OBVIOUSLY, the upgrade frames are a total waste of money. If you are, they are a much, much better deal than the old shoulder pads, which were only a few bucks less and came with ONLY 10 basic shoulder pads. And, those shoulder pads were the old (like, more than 10 year ago) size

I'm really into the modelling aspect of building up my CSM army, and I find those upgrade frames like an absolute and terrible waste of money.

When I want some of my CSM to have individual and unique shoulderpads, I get 10 plain and compatible pieces at 1 cent each and do some work with green stuff and various bits on top of them. I'm far, very far from being truly good at working with green stuff, but still I'm usually quite satisfied with the result.

Plus I don't have to spend 10€ per upgrade frame

Touche! Very true, if that is your thing

By the way, it works out well for Blood Angels, because you get 2 front torso pieces, which is essentially 2 models -- since a lot of us have a zillion back torsos, and god only knows how many legs. I really like sculpted shoulder pads, though.


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LeperColony wrote:
GW is slowly pricing people out of the game. Remember when they swapped from pewter to "keep costs down?" I started playing this game in the early 90's, when I was a kid. With allowance and odd jobs, I could scrape together enough to play the game. But now I have no idea how kids, GW's increasingly targeted audience, are supposed to play this.

That being said, on GW's relative scale, the new Assault Squad box doesn't seem that bad.

While I don't disagree with your hypothesis, would you actually want to go back to pewter (or, going further back, lead) miniatures?

I love going back and painting the odd metal mini once in a while (or chip away at my PP collection). It's very nostalgic, they take no time to clean up and you can jump right into painting. Then I remember all the reasons that I love plastic miniatures LOL.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 aprilmanha wrote:
Ahh Thanks GW Every time I start to think PP is a bit pricey for its units you come along and show that by comparison they are nice and cheap

Actually, model for model GW is cheaper than PP most of the time.

Why, because PP is metal? Or has slightly bigger models? I'm really just curious, I've heard this before but haven't see a ton of examples so I'd just like more info.

 Talys wrote:

darkcloak wrote:
$98 Canadian for 10 dudes... That is more than $10 per mini, the 5 man kit being slightly more expensive.

Holy fuckety feth feth....

The minis look the same even!

Who wants to bet that those Chapter Upgrade sprues are about to herald the end of faction specific Tac kits? Oh what's that you say? They just released a Tac kit for BA? Yeah okay. That's a valid point... :looks at 6th ed Knight codex:

1. If you think that $98 for 10 models is expensive, you would have thought $80 for 10 models was expensive before. I doubt you would have bought that one either.
2. The minis don't look anything like each other, and they don't look anything like the old ones. A blind man with a stick could grope his way to the differences between them.
3. The Chapter Upgrade sprues are preordered out of the yinyang at my local store. They have like more than a hundred already spoken for!
4. As BA person who owns 3 BA Tactical boxes, 8 Death Company and 3 or 4 (or so) Sanguinary guard, I happily bought 5 BA upgrade sprues. There are some cool parts on there, like more lipped shoulder pads and the unique chest pieces. I bought 1 of the SW ones too, because the backpack on it is awesome.
5. If you aren't into the modelling aspect, OBVIOUSLY, the upgrade frames are a total waste of money. If you are, they are a much, much better deal than the old shoulder pads, which were only a few bucks less and came with ONLY 10 basic shoulder pads. And, those shoulder pads were the old (like, more than 10 year ago) size.

 Sir Arun wrote:
The new 5 man assault squad costs £25. How much did the old one cost?

I don't have the answer, but I suspect 20-21 GBP.

1: I did buy the old ASM kit. And for the 35 bucks I paid I was happy. Oh ignorance is bliss.

2: shameless GW fanboy attitudes do not a new kit make.

3 & 4: Good for you.

5: At what point did I say the upgrade sprues were a waste?

You fail entirely to grasp the subject of my ire. You also blindly attack me based on nothing more than a four line post. Perhaps its not Games Workshop that pisses me off, but the disgusting dregs of human waste that think this hobby somehow warrants the full weight of a mans life to be thrown haphazardly into it.

I'm sorry you think you disagree Mr. DCM. But quite frankly I couldn't give a rats ass what you think. Enjoy playing with whatever poor saps are forced to tolerate the stench of your attitude!

 Accolade wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 aprilmanha wrote:
Ahh Thanks GW Every time I start to think PP is a bit pricey for its units you come along and show that by comparison they are nice and cheap

Actually, model for model GW is cheaper than PP most of the time.

Why, because PP is metal? Or has slightly bigger models? I'm really just curious, I've heard this before but haven't see a ton of examples so I'd just like more info.

No, PP models just cost more per model, for most models. Their plastic and resin kits are pretty expensive too. I love metal minis as much as the next guy, but frankly, they are almost universally not as nice as modern plastic multipart GW minis, because you end up with things like undercuts (areas where it's just solid space, where there SHOULD be a model. It just isn't possible to make a 15 piece 30mm tall miniature in metal.

Also, anything bigger than infantry is a pain in metal, and anything the size of a tank/jet/imperial knight is horrible as metal. Of course, some players would far prefer their game to be composed of infantry-sized play pieces (in which case, 40k probably isn't the game for them anyhow, because this is no longer the game of 40k that most people play).

The real difference is that in 40k, you need a lot of models to play for most factions and builds, and the manufacturer encourages you (via rule changes.) to keep buying MOAR MINIATURES. Now, don't get me wrong, WMH has it's own escalation happening, and they pump out new stuff too. But it generally isn't as unbalancing (to take an extreme example, D weapon changes and Wraithknights, or Necron Decurion that overnight shift the meta seismically for competitive play). Plus, the cadence is much slower than GW.

But if you just wanted to paint some stuff, buying space marines or terminators or nobz are gonna be cheaper than buying some trollblood scattergunners.

I'm sorry if I come across a a total jerk, its because I am. I'm just tired of having neckbeards tear me a new one and all but call me stupid simply because I don't wave the flag like a good consumer.

People have a choice ya know. And if some of us are disgusted by the way our hobby is being marginalized in the name of profits then I'm quite sure we are allowed to voice that.

Even the flag wavers have a right to defend their hallowed beliefs, Emprah protects, and you know what? Good for you for coming out and defending something you love!

Just don't be surprised when someone decides to snap at you because they have an equally powerful, but opposite, conviction.