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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150602/us--fbi_surveillance_flights-e2320f0d2a.html

FBI behind mysterious surveillance aircraft over US cities

Jun 2, 3:27 AM (ET)

By JACK GILLUM, EILEEN SULLIVAN and ERIC TUCKER

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI is operating a small air force with scores of low-flying planes across the country carrying video and, at times, cellphone surveillance technology — all hidden behind fictitious companies that are fronts for the government, The Associated Press has learned.

The planes' surveillance equipment is generally used without a judge's approval, and the FBI said the flights are used for specific, ongoing investigations. In a recent 30-day period, the agency flew above more than 30 cities in 11 states across the country, an AP review found.

Aerial surveillance represents a changing frontier for law enforcement, providing what the government maintains is an important tool in criminal, terrorism or intelligence probes. But the program raises questions about whether there should be updated policies protecting civil liberties as new technologies pose intrusive opportunities for government spying.

U.S. law enforcement officials confirmed for the first time the wide-scale use of the aircraft, which the AP traced to at least 13 fake companies, such as FVX Research, KQM Aviation, NBR Aviation and PXW Services. Even basic aspects of the program are withheld from the public in censored versions of official reports from the Justice Department's inspector general.

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"The FBI's aviation program is not secret," spokesman Christopher Allen said in a statement. "Specific aircraft and their capabilities are protected for operational security purposes." Allen added that the FBI's planes "are not equipped, designed or used for bulk collection activities or mass surveillance."

But the planes can capture video of unrelated criminal activity on the ground that could be handed over for prosecutions.

Some of the aircraft can also be equipped with technology that can identify thousands of people below through the cellphones they carry, even if they're not making a call or in public. Officials said that practice, which mimics cell towers and gets phones to reveal basic subscriber information, is rare.

Details confirmed by the FBI track closely with published reports since at least 2003 that a government surveillance program might be behind suspicious-looking planes slowly circling neighborhoods. The AP traced at least 50 aircraft back to the FBI, and identified more than 100 flights since late April orbiting both major cities and rural areas.

One of the planes, photographed in flight last week by the AP in northern Virginia, bristled with unusual antennas under its fuselage and a camera on its left side. A federal budget document from 2010 mentioned at least 115 planes, including 90 Cessna aircraft, in the FBI's surveillance fleet.

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The FBI also occasionally helps local police with aerial support, such as during the recent disturbance in Baltimore that followed the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray, who sustained grievous injuries while in police custody. Those types of requests are reviewed by senior FBI officials.

The surveillance flights comply with agency rules, an FBI spokesman said. Those rules, which are heavily redacted in publicly available documents, limit the types of equipment the agency can use, as well as the justifications and duration of the surveillance.

Details about the flights come as the Justice Department seeks to navigate privacy concerns arising from aerial surveillance by unmanned aircrafts, or drones. President Barack Obama has said he welcomes a debate on government surveillance, and has called for more transparency about spying in the wake of disclosures about classified programs.

"These are not your grandparents' surveillance aircraft," said Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union, calling the flights significant "if the federal government is maintaining a fleet of aircraft whose purpose is to circle over American cities, especially with the technology we know can be attached to those aircraft."

During the past few weeks, the AP tracked planes from the FBI's fleet on more than 100 flights over at least 11 states plus the District of Columbia, most with Cessna 182T Skylane aircraft. These included parts of Houston, Phoenix, Seattle, Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis and Southern California.

Evolving technology can record higher-quality video from long distances, even at night, and can capture certain identifying information from cellphones using a device known as a "cell-site simulator" — or Stingray, to use one of the product's brand names. These can trick pinpointed cellphones into revealing identification numbers of subscribers, including those not suspected of a crime.

Officials say cellphone surveillance is rare, although the AP found in recent weeks FBI flights orbiting large, enclosed buildings for extended periods where aerial photography would be less effective than electronic signals collection. Those included above Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota.

After The Washington Post revealed flights by two planes circling over Baltimore in early May, the AP began analyzing detailed flight data and aircraft-ownership registrations that shared similar addresses and flight patterns. That review found some FBI missions circled above at least 40,000 residents during a single flight over Anaheim, California, in late May, according to Census data and records provided by the website FlightRadar24.com.

Most flight patterns occurred in counter-clockwise orbits up to several miles wide and roughly one mile above the ground at slow speeds. A 2003 newsletter from the company FLIR Systems Inc., which makes camera technology such as seen on the planes, described flying slowly in left-handed patterns.

"Aircraft surveillance has become an indispensable intelligence collection and investigative technique which serves as a force multiplier to the ground teams," the FBI said in 2009 when it asked Congress for $5.1 million for the program.

Recently, independent journalists and websites have cited companies traced to post office boxes in Virginia, including one shared with the Justice Department. The AP analyzed similar data since early May, while also drawing upon aircraft registration documents, business records and interviews with U.S. officials to understand the scope of the operations.

The FBI asked the AP not to disclose the names of the fake companies it uncovered, saying that would saddle taxpayers with the expense of creating new cover companies to shield the government's involvement, and could endanger the planes and integrity of the surveillance missions. The AP declined the FBI's request because the companies' names — as well as common addresses linked to the Justice Department — are listed on public documents and in government databases.

At least 13 front companies that AP identified being actively used by the FBI are registered to post office boxes in Bristow, Virginia, which is near a regional airport used for private and charter flights. Only one of them appears in state business records.

Included on most aircraft registrations is a mysterious name, Robert Lindley. He is listed as chief executive and has at least three distinct signatures among the companies. Two documents include a signature for Robert Taylor, which is strikingly similar to one of Lindley's three handwriting patterns.

The FBI would not say whether Lindley is a U.S. government employee. The AP unsuccessfully tried to reach Lindley at phone numbers registered to people of the same name in the Washington area since Monday.

Law enforcement officials said Justice Department lawyers approved the decision to create fictitious companies to protect the flights' operational security and that the Federal Aviation Administration was aware of the practice. One of the Lindley-headed companies shares a post office box openly used by the Justice Department.

Such elusive practices have endured for decades. A 1990 report by the then-General Accounting Office noted that, in July 1988, the FBI had moved its "headquarters-operated" aircraft into a company that wasn't publicly linked to the bureau.

The FBI does not generally obtain warrants to record video from its planes of people moving outside in the open, but it also said that under a new policy it has recently begun obtaining court orders to use cell-site simulators. The Obama administration had until recently been directing local authorities through secret agreements not to reveal their own use of the devices, even encouraging prosecutors to drop cases rather than disclose the technology's use in open court.

A Justice Department memo last month also expressly barred its component law enforcement agencies from using unmanned drones "solely for the purpose of monitoring activities protected by the First Amendment" and said they are to be used only in connection with authorized investigations and activities. A department spokeswoman said the policy applied only to unmanned aircraft systems rather than piloted airplanes.

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Associated Press writers Sean Murphy in Oklahoma City; Joan Lowy and Ted Bridis in Washington; Randall Chase in Wilmington, Delaware; and news researchers Monika Mathur in Washington and Rhonda Shafner in New York contributed to this report.

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They just notice the FLIR NOW!?!?!

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I heard that on the way to work this morning.

"The FBI's aviation program is not secret,". . . but we run operations without a warrant and use shell companies to hide what we're doing

 
   
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Meh, not seeing how that's a problem.

   
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 Sigvatr wrote:
Meh, not seeing how that's a problem.


It's a problem because they are conducting searches with no warrant, which is in violation of the Constitution.

But y'know, apparently that gak doesn't matter these days because terrorism, or something...

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When you see Apaches or Kiowa Warriors flying around at night you can bet a good chunk of money their FLIR is running.

Being on FLIR you can see couples doing the "deed"

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Thats because you're a dern ferenner with no rights. In America HURR we traded good coffee and healthy living for the Bill of Rights. You traded good food for no rights.

We don't judge. We just shout our freedom by wearing Hawaiian shirts, undersized shorts, black socks, flip flops, and shout at nonEnglishspeakers so they can learn our language.

As the immortal bard once said: once more unto the breech, dear friends.


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Yep

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 Jihadin wrote:


Being on FLIR you can see couples doing the "deed"


Signing paperwork? Boring!

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So what happens if FLIR records an image of an underage child in a state of undress?

 
   
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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

So what happens if FLIR records an image of an underage child in a state of undress?


They'll say he was looking at ISIS propaganda online and was an imminent threat due to acquiring a "military style" BB gun for Christmas, therefore it was justified in the name of keeping us all safe from the ever-looming terrorist threat.

Or some sort of bollocks to that effect.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

So what happens if FLIR records an image of an underage child in a state of undress?


The viewers have just violated child obscenity laws.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

So what happens if FLIR records an image of an underage child in a state of undress?


The viewers have just violated child obscenity laws.

Anyone in law enforcement ever been prosecuted for it, or do they have an exemption?

 
   
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Who guards the guards?

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 Frazzled wrote:
Who guards the guards?

Their watchers?

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And who are they?

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Uberguards.

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 Frazzled wrote:
And who are they?

US.

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How has that worked so far?

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 Frazzled wrote:
How has that worked so far?


Not well.....They should be afraid of us and be held accountable, too bad they airnt

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im actually a bit confused, some of you actually seem bothered by this and some of you seem to be pretending to be bothered to make light of the situation.

1: No law prohibits the US Government nor law enforcement agencies from aerial surveillance. It is not a violation of your right to privacy since the aircraft are not directly taking pictures of the inside of your house. The second you step out into the world you are leaving privacy and entering public domain.

2: the child indecency thing, not sure if your being sarcastic since its hard to tell with some people these days. it is furthermore not against the law to accidentally film indecent exposure. By the logic presented it would mean that if some kid dropped trow in the middle of the mall everyone should be arrested for viewing a naked underage child.

3: Who cares? The US government and IC can not monitor your cell phone usage nor utilize it to geolocate you without a warrant so calm down.

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I think its more of a case of "Laws have not caught up to Technology" We are still finding ways to deal with online harassment.
I very much feel like using heat Something or other to see inside my house is a violation of my privacy. What if my nextdoor neighbor is the one running it and findouts Im cheating on my wife? He could very well use that against me.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What if my nextdoor neighbor is the one running it and findouts Im cheating on my wife?


Worried about neighbor finding out but freely admits it online

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think its more of a case of "Laws have not caught up to Technology" We are still finding ways to deal with online harassment.
I very much feel like using heat Something or other to see inside my house is a violation of my privacy. What if my nextdoor neighbor is the one running it and findouts Im cheating on my wife? He could very well use that against me.


We aren't talking about civilian use of technology, the story is about the FBI utilizing surveillance aircraft. As far as Infrared technology goes, you have no idea how useless it is. you don't see body parts you don't see skin all you see is a red blob with differing shades of yellow and other colors. It would be impossible to tell if someone was having sex, exercising or having a shouting match with someone.

And as mentioned above, these planes are not randomly utilizing surveillance on people for fun they are either actively targeting a suspect OR they are just airborne in case the need arises. So where is the problem?

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Ghazzy... if it's not violating the 4th... it's awfully fething close.

'Tis why there's large segment of the population who don't trust the Government.

It's how Denny Hasert get in trouble with the Feds. The Feds looking for an act to fit the crime.


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 whembly wrote:
Ghazzy... if it's not violating the 4th... it's awfully fething close.

'Tis why there's large segment of the population who don't trust the Government.

It's how Denny Hasert get in trouble with the Feds. The Feds looking for an act to fit the crime.



the 4th amendment protects US citizens from "Unreasonable" search and Seizure. The principle reason behind this amendment was to keep the government and police from entering a home and searching and seizing items from inside the home without first gaining a warrant. If it is perfectly fine to operate security cameras in public areas why would it not be allowed to mount them on planes that fly around public areas. This is perfectly within the law....until someone purposely aims a camera into a home or building, then it becomes a violation. But with how the law is currently written if the camera is sweeping by and spots a blatant violation of the law they can use that as probable cause.

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