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I don't know how else to express my displeasure that Space Marines are basically getting 'at initiative power fists' when all I want in life is a scorpion claw on a Autarch. Here I thought Sisters had something special.


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Or any non named melee model that can fight a SM termie captain.

Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

So...the point of this rant is what?

All I want is dreadnoughts to be gargangutan creatues with Str D weaponary everywhere and bolters to have the profile of scatter lasers. Eldar is probably the least suitable army to use as an example to beg for something more.

That said, I'm not too happy they have them either. Its like they're spreading the unique weapons of other factions around. Eldar even got gargangutan creature and Str D from forgeworld, so its not something new in this case.

But what I really want is for eldar to be banned from all competitive play, because it blows my mind that they are incessantly whinging despite getting an extremely overpowered codex.

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?


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kburn wrote:
All I want is dreadnoughts to be gargangutan creatues with Str D weaponary everywhere and bolters to have the profile of scatter lasers. Eldar is probably the least suitable army to use as an example to beg for something more.

But what I really want is for eldar to be banned from all competitive play, because it blows my mind that they are incessantly whinging despite getting an extremely overpowered codex.

It's bull that everyone gets pissy as soon as eldar get mentioned. If I want to take 30 seconds to be sad that I will never be able to compete in melee, so be it. It's pretty much the wor at thing to happen to imperial knights as well, S8 Armourbane.

Eviscerators might actually make ASM worth taking, at least in the core codex.

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

ragazzacane wrote:

It's bull that everyone gets pissy as soon as eldar get mentioned. If I want to take 30 seconds to be sad that I will never be able to compete in melee, so be it. It's pretty much the wor at thing to happen to imperial knights as well, S8 Armourbane.

so you want to be best in shooting, best in moving, best in killing hordes, best in killing armour, best in taking hits, and now also best in melee?

the sense of entitlement of eldar players never ceases to amaze me. lets hope you guys get permanently banned from all tournaments eh.

kburn wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

It's bull that everyone gets pissy as soon as eldar get mentioned. If I want to take 30 seconds to be sad that I will never be able to compete in melee, so be it. It's pretty much the wor at thing to happen to imperial knights as well, S8 Armourbane.

so you want to be best in shooting, best in moving, best in killing hordes, best in killing armour, best in taking hits, and now also best in melee?

the sense of entitlement of eldar players never ceases to amaze me. lets hope you guys get permanently banned from all tournaments eh.

You can put as many words in my mouth as you want, I just want an Autarch with AP2 in melee.

And here I thought they didn't know fear.


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 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Must be my bad for using battlescribe as a rule book. Sorry.


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Then how is it different from a chain fist?


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Because only terminators can take chain fists.


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Thank you Goon! I feel better now.

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

We already have the Infernum Razorback.

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Meh, already available from Forge World.

ragazzacane wrote:

kburn wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

It's bull that everyone gets pissy as soon as eldar get mentioned. If I want to take 30 seconds to be sad that I will never be able to compete in melee, so be it. It's pretty much the wor at thing to happen to imperial knights as well, S8 Armourbane.

so you want to be best in shooting, best in moving, best in killing hordes, best in killing armour, best in taking hits, and now also best in melee?

the sense of entitlement of eldar players never ceases to amaze me. lets hope you guys get permanently banned from all tournaments eh.

You can put as many words in my mouth as you want, I just want an Autarch with AP2 in melee.

And here I thought they didn't know fear.

haha, nice comeback. all the anti-Eldar crying gets pretty old. Although it doesn't bother me that the autarch didn't get a claw, itis strange that it didn't. It would be like removing the powerfist as an option for SM Captains. I'll just have my autarch on a jetbike with banshee mask leading some harlequin skyweavers.

kburn wrote:
All I want is dreadnoughts to be gargangutan creatues with Str D weaponary everywhere and bolters to have the profile of scatter lasers. Eldar is probably the least suitable army to use as an example to beg for something more.

That said, I'm not too happy they have them either. Its like they're spreading the unique weapons of other factions around. Eldar even got gargangutan creature and Str D from forgeworld, so its not something new in this case.

But what I really want is for eldar to be banned from all competitive play, because it blows my mind that they are incessantly whinging despite getting an extremely overpowered codex.

I wonder if the older, more moderate codices (Dark Angels, Tyranids, Orcs, etc) had been released to what might be the new power level that seems to have started with Necrons, if people would be so upset with Eldar? I can understand a lot of anger at an already strong codex getting a near across the board increase while older, far less strong codices are still waiting. On the other hand, a few of the changes seem like they would be overpowered unless those other codices receive an enormous bump.

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Since when were Eviscerators I1?
Gabriel Seth Wields one and he strikes at I5 (or is he I6 i cant remember)

commander dante wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Since when were Eviscerators I1?
Gabriel Seth Wields one and he strikes at I5 (or is he I6 i cant remember)

I don't believe Seth wields a standard Eviscerator, and from what I remember normal Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

commander dante wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Since when were Eviscerators I1?
Gabriel Seth Wields one and he strikes at I5 (or is he I6 i cant remember)

Since always.
No, Seth wields a large chain sword. It isn't unwieldy, it isn't AP2 and it isn't x2 Strength. And I don't know if it's armourbane or not.

Gabriel Seth's weapon only looks like an eviserator. It has very different stats than an eviserator.

Against most targets it behaves exactly like a PF. It's only going to be a game changer if ASM gain a "hidden fist" option instead of it just being an option for the sgt.

...unless what they're actually getting is a heavy chainsword, which does strike at initiative. If ASM get that as a squad-wide option, it would be pretty nice.

 Purifier wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Since when were Eviscerators I1?
Gabriel Seth Wields one and he strikes at I5 (or is he I6 i cant remember)

Since always.
No, Seth wields a large chain sword. It isn't unwieldy, it isn't AP2 and it isn't x2 Strength. And I don't know if it's armourbane or not.

Seth's one is Sx2 AP4 rending,2 handed

commander dante wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

commander dante wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:

ragazzacane wrote:

 amanita wrote:
Since when are eviscerators swung 'at initiative'?

Arn't two handed, armourbane weapons swung at I?

Eviscerators are Unwieldy.

Also, stop stealing all the Sisters stuff ffs. If Razorbacks get Twin-Linked Multimeltas in this new codex, GW can go get stuffed :\

Since when were Eviscerators I1?
Gabriel Seth Wields one and he strikes at I5 (or is he I6 i cant remember)

Since always.
No, Seth wields a large chain sword. It isn't unwieldy, it isn't AP2 and it isn't x2 Strength. And I don't know if it's armourbane or not.

Seth's one is Sx2 AP4 rending,2 handed

You're right, my memory served me poorly, as I thought he was S6 base.

That said, it's still not an Eviscerator.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Gabriel Seth's weapon only looks like an eviserator. It has very different stats than an eviserator.

Against most targets it behaves exactly like a PF. It's only going to be a game changer if ASM gain a "hidden fist" option instead of it just being an option for the sgt.

...unless what they're actually getting is a heavy chainsword, which does strike at initiative. If ASM get that as a squad-wide option, it would be pretty nice.

According to GW's website, ASM are indeed getting the hidden Eviscerator option.

My question is where the heck are the leaks?! It's Wednesday already! They slackin'!

ragazzacane wrote:

You can put as many words in my mouth as you want, I just want an Autarch with AP2 in melee.

Autarch, meet Archon, Archon, Autarch. Now you've caught up, wanna go cry together in a corner about our lack of AP 2 weaponry despite being the one of most advanced race in the setting? I can't even get a Power Axe for Feths sake, everyone else can at least get a Power Axe. Oh look, there are my Incubi body guard with Str +1 Ap 2 weaponry, but i can't have that. Hey, there is my Ex-Girlfriend Alara the Succbus, also walking around with that spiffing new Archite Glaive, but i can't get them either. Sigh, at least i found a new job.

--Puts up advert on the World Wide Webway; reads--

Cheap reliable taxi service for Craftworlders, the best on the Skein at pin-point drops and 2++ Invulnerable saves*.

*Fortune not included.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Gabriel Seth's weapon only looks like an eviserator. It has very different stats than an eviserator.

Against most targets it behaves exactly like a PF. It's only going to be a game changer if ASM gain a "hidden fist" option instead of it just being an option for the sgt.

...unless what they're actually getting is a heavy chainsword, which does strike at initiative. If ASM get that as a squad-wide option, it would be pretty nice.

I wouldn't call hidden Eviscerators on 1A models stellar by any means... odds are they're also likely to be 20-25pts a pop, similar to the cost of Power Fists which are also a Str.x2/ap2 weapon.

What's really most galling is that, yet again, Loyalists are getting new squad toys, and yet, Chaos Marines have received exactly 0 'new' squad toys over the past 16+ years!
Seriously, since 3rd edition dropped in '98, we've had Loyalists across their various forms gain, or else see the return of;
- Grav Pistol
- Grav Gun
- Grav Cannon
- Hand Flamer
- Heavy Flamer
- Inferno Pistol
- Frost Cannon
- Eviscerator
- Relic Blade

Chaos Marines on the other hand have only lost weapons along the way, nor have we seen any new variants on our basic vehicles. Meanwhile, Loyalists have now received 3!! new (non-FW) Land Raider varients, a new Command Rhino, and more weapon options for the Razorback... oh, and Drop Pods, while we're still stuck with FW-limited Dreadclaws which a number of areas won't allow, because... "Reasons"
What have we gotten instead? Oh yeah, 4 'new' Daemon engines, one of which is utter crap, one of which gets you automatically labeled as a TFG, and two that are all but impossible to gain cover saves with!

Eldar can go cry a river over a lack of ap2 on their IC's. At least you guys have toys to choose from! Even Sisters have gotten more new unit toys than we have!

But isn't it fluffy? Chaos got beaten, so they are poor and can't even up keep simple weapons.

Since when were eviscerators a Sisters only thing? There more common amongst underhive street gangs & IG priests.

Chainfists are basically terminator only eviscerators.

The Adeptus Astartes predates the Sorroritas by millenia, so if anyone had anything first its the marines. I mean really, the Jenny-come-latelys wearing our power armor & carrying our bolters bitching about who gets the really big chainsaw? Come on girls.

Eldar want more stuff? Wow.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Even Sisters have gotten more new unit toys than we have!

You kidding, right? We got literally nothing new for the last 12 years! We have way less than CSM. We have way less than CSM had 12 years ago.

 Red Marine wrote:
Since when were eviscerators a Sisters only thing? There more common amongst underhive street gangs & IG priests.

Since when are space marines an underhive street gang or priests?

 Red Marine wrote:
The Adeptus Astartes predates the Sorroritas by millenia

And the Sisters out-wealth the Astartes by orders of magnitude.

Experiment 626 wrote:

What's really most galling is that, yet again, Loyalists are getting new squad toys, and yet, Chaos Marines have received exactly 0 'new' squad toys over the past 16+ years!

I feel your pain, I really really do.
I suppose we did get Power Scourge back and Ectoplasma and Hades Autocannons, but they haven't been utilised very well in my opinion.

My complaint is more that it is ridiculous that the standard Space Marines just keep getting every toy in existence, and then its especially annoying when they dripfeed them across into the more snowflake chapters. Grav, centurions and two AA rhino chassis at least made standard marines different from the special toys of the snowflake chapters, but now those are spreading.

There's no sense of cohesion within the force anymore.

 Red Marine wrote:
Since when were eviscerators a Sisters only thing? There more common amongst underhive street gangs & IG priests.

Eviscerators are a signature weapon of the Ecclesiarchy (though certainly not exclusive), of which the Sororitas are the main fighting force. My point is that Space Marines already have enough cool exclusive toys - why can't the other power armour armies get more unique stuff?

Eviscerators were mostly used by the Frateris Militia until Repentia came about, there's no point being precious about them... or multi-melta razorbacks, for that matter.

Multi-melta razorbacks existed almost before multi-melta immolators, after all.

What we should really be demanding is our Immolator fire points back! That is why the Immolator is better than the Razorback! It's got a fricken fire point on it! But nooo, we can't have that. Might make the Marines look less special.

> compare new SM units and weapons to supposed lack of new CSM units and weapons
> conveniently forget about khorne lord of skulls, heldrake, forgefiend, maulerfiend, defilier, helbrute, obliterators, mutilators, warp talons, warpsmiths, dark apostles, the new cypher rules and dataslate, and probably some other stuff as well

I know Chaos doesn't receive NEARLY as much love as the Loyalists, but this kind of complaining makes it seem like Chaos and not the Soriitas are the most neglected Codex faction. Yeah, I wanna see Chaos Legion Tactics and CSM with graviton weapons too. But this kind of nonsense isn't helping.