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2015/08/27 11:16:28
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Kroot are also one of the few plastic kits that have gone direct only, which suggests something is happening to them. They have enough different units (knarloc variants, vulture kin etc) to be broken out.
Vespid have only the one unit and are much more "integrated" into the Tau empire in the fluff (I.e. Possibly enslaved), so they don't really have a place outside of the main dex.
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2015/08/27 11:21:37
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
You have no way to know that. Even then when a product stops selling or being supported they let it sell until its gone. Your telling me every last Kroot thing sold out at the exact same time? it seems a little unusual. Not only that but FW had a sale on them like they needed them gone tomorrow if I recall correctly. That doesn't seem to be slowly letting them phase out. it seems like they got an order to sell them out as fast as possible. It seems like someone had ideas of their own for them GW. Why not stop production and let them just sell out slowly over time at full price and not add them back? Like SOB or so many other models.
One of these thing's isn't like the other.
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2015/08/27 11:40:12
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
While I have heard this might happen it could be a very generic 1-3 boxes possibly including a clampack thing.
It seems that it's very possible but considering that they would have to dedicate a month or at least 2-3 weeks to a side race I'm not extremely hopeful.
I've been told of at least 3 others that could happen but so far I'm sceptical because of the deluge of AoS and from what I'm hearing the 40k and other respite from it might be only a week or two at best.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Ill be very surprised if Vespid survive the next codex
So far everything seems to be indicating a large release for the Tau and a spin off for the Kroot into their own dex. FW pulled all their models, we've heard of some Kroot model prototypes from GW being around in the back burner, and we've also got rumors of a new troop being made from the FW kit. All of this indicates that the Kroot are looking at a minidex release. Which is awesome by my books.
We'll know very soon if this is true or not. Way back when Harlequins were being rumored everyone said it was bull. They said ad mech was bull. They said skitarii was bull. So far in the recent time frame of minidex rumors almost every major one has been correct. Not only that but action taken by FW support the idea of a mini dex being on the way (pulling of all their Kroot range and when asked why they gave a very cryptic answer). Even the old rumor of a Tau Auxiliary minidex sort of turned out correct since it seems to be evolving into a Kroot minidex release. Everyone is screaming the apocalypse on the rumor since it didn't happen instantly even though it said at the earliest we could expect it would be the first months of 2016 or that time frame.
Not only that but an extremely reliable FW sculptor information guy on Tau stuff has said a 'time of Tau is coming'. It would seem really weird to hype it up that big for a small launch. Not to mention they've had a long time to prepare for this first 40k release after the AoS time. All the rumors point to the GW Tau stuff being shown Sept and the FW stuff in Oct.
If they did make a Kroot codex I would go out and grab it asap.
Everything is just lining up too well. I suppose they could have heard these rumors and made some to sound like them, so it is a factor. It just seems probable that the Tau are at least getting a moderate release as opposed to a small one. I personally look at this as almost a reworking of Tau Empire and see it as a larger release. It seems like they've planned for this along time in advance. We even had the sculptor saying 'a new Tau paradigm is approaching'. Why would FW be the ones making that new paradigm if it's that big? Sounds like something the big guys at GW would have to decide.
You have more faith in GW than I do, Tau got a big release fairly recently with 3/4 kits and now 4 more?. The two kits that were in real need of replacement were not even though we had people basically go on about new ones.
I like Tau and if a new commander comes out ill probably buy it. but honestly i'd rather SoB or Demiurg or something new * cough genstealer cult cough*. Ad mech was a great first step in new stuff but what they did to fantasy has made me have very little trust in them.
FW remove kits all the time and now they are focusing mainly on HH so im not suprised Kroot were pulled. and its a shame because i did eventualy want to get some.
2015/08/27 11:50:36
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Tau are also the smallest faction with 25 kits. So yea. I do expect a lot. There's a huge growing fanbase for them and they have a lot of room to add new things since there is so little of them. Not to mention Tau are selling really good recently what with their increased popularity (one of the most popular in Tournaments).
Also assuming the Kroot are split into their own dex we'll be down a troop so yes we definitely would need a reworked FW box to make two troops from. Then the reworked Commander/Crisis team could use similar parts to cut down on costs. Finally that leaves one maybe two brand new "suits". If they count the XV8Crisis update as one of their new suits then it leaves us with only two brand new releases and a bunch of updates.
I would count that as a fairly large update in my books.
None of what you like is relevant to what GW is doing with that Tau. I'm not trying to be an donkey-cave, but seriously. I want more Tau Auxiliaries and vehicles. Probably never going to happen. It's irrelevant to what I think I know is going down.
I do think there is enough evidence to see this as a much larger release.
Also just because they release the Kroot doesn't mean they'll ever expand or update them as a mainline faction. I'm cool with this. I hope they do, but if they don't I just like the look of the models so its all good.
I don't need to have faith in GW when I have approximate evidence. Then again I have been wrong before. I just know something is up this time though. Don't know how to explain it well.
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Also the Kroot codex would give the Tau a brand new baby battle brother. Yay. Hahah.
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2015/08/27 11:55:16
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
You have no way to know that. Even then when a product stops selling or being supported they let it sell until its gone. Your telling me every last Kroot thing sold out at the exact same time? it seems a little unusual. Not only that but FW had a sale on them like they needed them gone tomorrow if I recall correctly. That doesn't seem to be slowly letting them phase out. it seems like they got an order to sell them out as fast as possible. It seems like someone had ideas of their own for them GW. Why not stop production and let them just sell out slowly over time at full price and not add them back? Like SOB or so many other models.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
You have no way to know that. Even then when a product stops selling or being supported they let it sell until its gone. Your telling me every last Kroot thing sold out at the exact same time? it seems a little unusual. Not only that but FW had a sale on them like they needed them gone tomorrow if I recall correctly. That doesn't seem to be slowly letting them phase out. it seems like they got an order to sell them out as fast as possible. It seems like someone had ideas of their own for them GW. Why not stop production and let them just sell out slowly over time at full price and not add them back? Like SOB or so many other models.
Again, I doubt they'll drop Kroot. They are a common part of many Tau armies and I'm sure there would be a backlash if people could no longer use them without house-rules/proxying.
2015/08/27 14:45:32
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
I doubt Kroot will get any love if there is a new codex in a few weeks but I suppose it's possible. I really doubt though that they'll get cut back any further. It would be nice to get another "allied" unit as that was one thing that drew me to Tau before the days fo "ally with anyone" or worse yet "unbound".
2015/08/27 15:57:04
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
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2015/08/27 22:43:37
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
I have said this before but Kroot getting shifted to direct only probably means they are going to get reboxed. The current Kroot box is 16 models. I assume that will go down to 12 or 8 regular plus 2 special kroot, like was done with the ork boyz or eldar guardians.
As for Forgeworld removing stuff, ever since the redo of Taros stuff has quietly been dissapearing. i think the month after the 2nd ed version was released BFG was axed.
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2015/08/28 22:11:58
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Mecha_buddha wrote: I have said this before but Kroot getting shifted to direct only probably means they are going to get reboxed. The current Kroot box is 16 models. I assume that will go down to 12 or 8 regular plus 2 special kroot, like was done with the ork boyz or eldar guardians.
As for Forgeworld removing stuff, ever since the redo of Taros stuff has quietly been dissapearing. i think the month after the 2nd ed version was released BFG was axed.
That would mean a new spruce or a recut but i doubt either will happen.
2015/08/28 22:59:10
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
My guess based on what GW has done over the last few releases is we will see the farsight mini dex come out first then we will see Tau with a bunch of formations. Kroot will probably be in the Tau dex but eventually get a mini dex similar to the harlequins. I will also bet there is a riptide heavy formation and would not be surprised to see some type of alpha strike formation. Not betting on D unless it is something where hammerheads link up similar to the eldar tanks. Just my guess though.
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2015/08/30 01:58:52
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
FW is a resin company and unlike the molds for plastic and metal, the silicone molds have a limited lifespan of about 6 months. That means that a slow selling product requires the molds to be replaced on a regular basis and it makes sense that they would cycle their molds at roughly the same time. If they have slow sellers that aren't paying back the cost of the mold investment it would be an opportune to take those out of service for a time.
It's been a very long time since they released the Taros campaign books and that tends to curb interests quite a bit, they phased out quite a few of the Tau items like the hammerhead turrets and defensive turrets in addition to the kroot items. That'd indicate that they were fairly slow sellers over the last couple years.
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2015/08/30 02:23:36
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
paulson games wrote: FW is a resin company and unlike the molds for plastic and metal, the silicone molds have a limited lifespan of about 6 months. That means that a slow selling product requires the molds to be replaced on a regular basis and it makes sense that they would cycle their molds at roughly the same time. If they have slow sellers that aren't paying back the cost of the mold investment it would be an opportune to take those out of service for a time.
It's been a very long time since they released the Taros campaign books and that tends to curb interests quite a bit, they phased out quite a few of the Tau items like the hammerhead turrets and defensive turrets in addition to the kroot items. That'd indicate that they were fairly slow sellers over the last couple years.
Yeah thats basically what the form letter i got from FW said when i asked about kroot stuff going missing.
If they just let the taros book wither and all the units go away then I get it, but we got an update and release of a 2nd edition after the 6th ed tau codex came out. Then FW almost immediately started dropping model support. i feel like it was hey buy this updated book so we can turn that money into a new awesome 30k book.
2015/08/30 02:34:10
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Maybe they were considering doing it for a while since by that point it was a long time since both the Taros book and the 4e codex came out. It's possible they used the release of the new codex to see if it drove additional ancillary purchases of the older FW stuff. If by that indicator it didn't, they might have decided to just permanently retire it. Maybe they'll bring it out again for a limited time with the new rumored book.
2015/08/31 02:10:43
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
I find it odd that there has never been a TAU unit that does repair? At least not that I know of. Seems all of the suits would benefit from some sort of instance of that and their technology would be more than capable of this.
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2015/08/31 02:35:49
Subject: Re:Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: I find it odd that there has never been a TAU unit that does repair? At least not that I know of. Seems all of the suits would benefit from some sort of instance of that and their technology would be more than capable of this.
Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: I find it odd that there has never been a TAU unit that does repair? At least not that I know of. Seems all of the suits would benefit from some sort of instance of that and their technology would be more than capable of this.
And even if they did have rules they'd be in a FW-exclusive book that's almost $100, and are over $20 just for a pack of two drones, not including shipping costs. Kinda ridiculous for a couple of tiny drones.
That, and the existence of the FW warhound titan and FW Mechanicum didn't stop people from constantly demanding plastic titans and plastic Ad Mech from GW proper, and this would be far easier to convert into plastic and stick in the new crisis suit or fire warrior box that are supposed to be coming out.
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2015/08/31 03:38:32
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
The have rules, But its for a scenario I believe. Let me check the book again.
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2015/08/31 17:28:52
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
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2021/04/06 13:30:06
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
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2015/08/31 17:54:47
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
I picked up a pair at a local store swap meet and plan on using them as the pathfinder grav whatever drones (can't recall the name at the moment). That seemed like a natural fit even if you have the Taros book.
2015/09/01 02:08:13
Subject: Parting Tau Tidbits from Lords of Wargaming
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