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I'm most excited for the Ghostkell but not its name.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
Are we really already complaining about new Tau being OP when we literally just got half a dozen pictures and no rules whatsoever to go on? I can understand complaining about Tau (whether or not it will be warranted) when we actually start getting rules leaks, but all we have to go on right now is a single picture of each new model. We know nothing about either of them beyond their names and their appearance. Can we please keep the conversation focused on what we actually have at the moment?

I personally am tired of seeing every single Tau thread on dakka be derailed into a blind hatred jerkfest by the same five or so people, especially when the conversation goes the exact same way every single time.

Yeah, so really, can we not?

Those who think tau are OP, start a new thread, and for the rest of us, just ignore them.

Guess we will all feel the Tau ranged D soon enough...




As a Sisters player I do hope the sisters get some double Ds to compensate if they ever get new models...

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
Are we really already complaining about new Tau being OP when we literally just got half a dozen pictures and no rules whatsoever to go on? I can understand complaining about Tau (whether or not it will be warranted) when we actually start getting rules leaks, but all we have to go on right now is a single picture of each new model. We know nothing about either of them beyond their names and their appearance. Can we please keep the conversation focused on what we actually have at the moment?

I personally am tired of seeing every single Tau thread on dakka be derailed into a blind hatred jerkfest by the same five or so people, especially when the conversation goes the exact same way every single time.

Yeah, so really, can we not?

Those who think tau are OP, start a new thread, and for the rest of us, just ignore them.

Prepare yourselves, for the storm of hate is coming, and none shall escape its wrath.

On topic, I actually like the looks of the new Riptide variant. The new Stealth Commander suit may point to Stealth Suits getting buffed. The Fire Warriors also look a lot better too. Let's just hope that it's appropriately costed and that massive cannon isn't a D-weapon.


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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Guess we will all feel the Tau ranged D soon enough...

Spoiler:

As a Sisters player I do hope the sisters get some double Ds to compensate if they ever get new models...

Have an exalt.

Censorship: Making clean things dirty!

"All around, in the dark, ancient lights flickered on. Servo-motors, long cold, spun to life once more, shaking the dust of months of disuse off of them. Grav-plates hummed to life, and high-tech rifles snapped to attention. They all begin to move at once. It was a grey tide, and a black tide, and a red tide, as many different colorations of units moved at once. Hands not far removed from their fish ancestors held onto triggers and floated in amniotic tanks in the hearts of battlesuits. Their commander, a mile tall in their perspective, begin to speak.
'This will be a red day, a day of plasma and missile, a day of tears and internet whining! This will be a grey day, a day of grey-skinned hands diligently working for the betterment of all! This will be a black day, but not for you or me! It will be a black day for our enemies, who will fall to our firepower and myriad buffs! Our tanks will hover over fields stained red with the blood of the enemy, for they have refused the Greater Good, and for this they will pay! They will pay for the horrors they have unleashed upon us in our long lack of updates! Battlesuits front! This will be a day to remember!'"

 Verviedi wrote:
"All around, in the dark, ancient lights flickered on. Servo-motors, long cold, spun to life once more, shaking the dust of months of disuse off of them. Grav-plates hummed to life, and high-tech rifles snapped to attention. They all begin to move at once. It was a grey tide, and a black tide, and a red tide, as many different colorations of units moved at once. Hands not far removed from their fish ancestors held onto triggers and floated in amniotic tanks in the hearts of battlesuits. Their commander, a mile tall in their perspective, begin to speak.
'This will be a red day, a day of plasma and missile, a day of tears and internet whining! This will be a grey day, a day of grey-skinned hands diligently working for the betterment of all! This will be a black day, but not for you or me! It will be a black day for our enemies, who will fall to our firepower and myriad buffs! Our tanks will hover over fields stained red with the blood of the enemy, for they have refused the Greater Good, and for this they will pay! They will pay for the horrors they have unleashed upon us in our long lack of updates! Battlesuits front! This will be a day to remember!'"

And, that's a sig.

That flyer matches the original art for the Razorshark. Hope the rules for it are much better heh

LighthouseM wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
My point is that there are armies that need an update far more than the Tau do. The Tau are currently in the top 4 and can hold their own against all but the most matured of cheese.
Compare this to the Imperial Guard and the Sisters of Battle whom might as well not exist as playable armies because they are so weak.

I am not saying that this update was not needed - there where some areas that the Tau lacked in, and the new kits do look amazing, but there are armies more deserving and more in need of an update first.

Sisters is a pipe dream and has been for years now. And Tau currently holds the oldest codex (apart from Sisters), not that that really mattered as Space Marines got updated twice between the Tau updates.

Cool your jets, brah. Your army will get a turn too. At least IG and Sisters can battle brother with literally half the codecies in the game.

Tau have the oldest Codex? My Chaos Marines may have something to say about that...

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
"All around, in the dark, ancient lights flickered on. Servo-motors, long cold, spun to life once more, shaking the dust of months of disuse off of them. Grav-plates hummed to life, and high-tech rifles snapped to attention. They all begin to move at once. It was a grey tide, and a black tide, and a red tide, as many different colorations of units moved at once. Hands not far removed from their fish ancestors held onto triggers and floated in amniotic tanks in the hearts of battlesuits. Their commander, a mile tall in their perspective, begin to speak.
'This will be a red day, a day of plasma and missile, a day of tears and internet whining! This will be a grey day, a day of grey-skinned hands diligently working for the betterment of all! This will be a black day, but not for you or me! It will be a black day for our enemies, who will fall to our firepower and myriad buffs! Our tanks will hover over fields stained red with the blood of the enemy, for they have refused the Greater Good, and for this they will pay! They will pay for the horrors they have unleashed upon us in our long lack of updates! Battlesuits front! This will be a day to remember!'"

And, that's a sig.

Very good, except for the fish ancestor part. Still not sure why people don't understand Tau are humanoid mammals. The "fish" themed names for their suits and vehicles are Imperial designations.

Nocturnus wrote:

LighthouseM wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
My point is that there are armies that need an update far more than the Tau do. The Tau are currently in the top 4 and can hold their own against all but the most matured of cheese.
Compare this to the Imperial Guard and the Sisters of Battle whom might as well not exist as playable armies because they are so weak.

I am not saying that this update was not needed - there where some areas that the Tau lacked in, and the new kits do look amazing, but there are armies more deserving and more in need of an update first.

Sisters is a pipe dream and has been for years now. And Tau currently holds the oldest codex (apart from Sisters), not that that really mattered as Space Marines got updated twice between the Tau updates.

Cool your jets, brah. Your army will get a turn too. At least IG and Sisters can battle brother with literally half the codecies in the game.

Tau have the oldest Codex? My Chaos Marines may have something to say about that...

You got Daemonkin. And I have a suspicion that any other CSM or Chaos updates will come in similar Daemonkin books.

 crazyK wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
"All around, in the dark, ancient lights flickered on. Servo-motors, long cold, spun to life once more, shaking the dust of months of disuse off of them. Grav-plates hummed to life, and high-tech rifles snapped to attention. They all begin to move at once. It was a grey tide, and a black tide, and a red tide, as many different colorations of units moved at once. Hands not far removed from their fish ancestors held onto triggers and floated in amniotic tanks in the hearts of battlesuits. Their commander, a mile tall in their perspective, begin to speak.
'This will be a red day, a day of plasma and missile, a day of tears and internet whining! This will be a grey day, a day of grey-skinned hands diligently working for the betterment of all! This will be a black day, but not for you or me! It will be a black day for our enemies, who will fall to our firepower and myriad buffs! Our tanks will hover over fields stained red with the blood of the enemy, for they have refused the Greater Good, and for this they will pay! They will pay for the horrors they have unleashed upon us in our long lack of updates! Battlesuits front! This will be a day to remember!'"

And, that's a sig.

Very good, except for the fish ancestor part. Still not sure why people don't understand Tau are humanoid mammals. The "fish" themed names for their suits and vehicles are Imperial designations.

Technically, we all have fish ancestors.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
"All around, in the dark, ancient lights flickered on. Servo-motors, long cold, spun to life once more, shaking the dust of months of disuse off of them. Grav-plates hummed to life, and high-tech rifles snapped to attention. They all begin to move at once. It was a grey tide, and a black tide, and a red tide, as many different colorations of units moved at once. Hands not far removed from their fish ancestors held onto triggers and floated in amniotic tanks in the hearts of battlesuits. Their commander, a mile tall in their perspective, begin to speak.
'This will be a red day, a day of plasma and missile, a day of tears and internet whining! This will be a grey day, a day of grey-skinned hands diligently working for the betterment of all! This will be a black day, but not for you or me! It will be a black day for our enemies, who will fall to our firepower and myriad buffs! Our tanks will hover over fields stained red with the blood of the enemy, for they have refused the Greater Good, and for this they will pay! They will pay for the horrors they have unleashed upon us in our long lack of updates! Battlesuits front! This will be a day to remember!'"

And, that's a sig.

I'm flattered

 Fishboy wrote:
That flyer matches the original art for the Razorshark. Hope the rules for it are much better heh

What new flyer? I see a Razorshark and Sun Shark in the background of one of the images but don't see anything else in the air in the other pictures.

From those angles the flyers actually look good!
(yeah, looks like the current flyers....oh GW, give us a plastic barracuda, and we will give your our child's college funds...).

A bit on the fence on the new missile suit - hopefully he has some strong weapons, and is not OP. (I don't need more s5 or s7...).

The new stealth suit, it looks kind of cool, again hoping for solid rules.

A bit excited about the new infantry - although I have plenty of firewarriors - maybe new guns?

I hope the same thing I hope for all new books - a strong codex which supports many good builds, that is not OP.

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm most excited for the Ghostkeel but not its name.

It's growing on me as a name, keeps the nautical themes going.

Fun looking stuff though. Will it have the honor of being added to the pile of armies I will never start in my basement?! Only time will tell!

 Buzzdady wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
That flyer matches the original art for the Razorshark. Hope the rules for it are much better heh

What new flyer? I see a Razorshark and Sun Shark in the background of one of the images but don't see anything else in the air in the other pictures.

The current razor shark is based on the bomber kit and looks nothing like the winged flyer in the pictures. The art in the rule book matches that model in the pics though.

 Fishboy wrote:

 Buzzdady wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
That flyer matches the original art for the Razorshark. Hope the rules for it are much better heh

What new flyer? I see a Razorshark and Sun Shark in the background of one of the images but don't see anything else in the air in the other pictures.

The current razor shark is based on the bomber kit and looks nothing like the winged flyer in the pictures. The art in the rule book matches that model in the pics though.

It's the same model from way in front and below.

I got one feeling to express right now.

 pretre wrote:

I'm going to guess that this new 'riptide' isn't actually a riptide at all. It's going to be a superheavy style suit. If you look at the waist, there is a lot more detail on it than a regular riptide waist. Also it's designation is XV128, and since the designations are based on size, this one is actually a lot bigger than the Riptide is. I would expect the XV95 to be about the same size as a hazard suit as well.

 Fishboy wrote:

 Buzzdady wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
That flyer matches the original art for the Razorshark. Hope the rules for it are much better heh

What new flyer? I see a Razorshark and Sun Shark in the background of one of the images but don't see anything else in the air in the other pictures.

The current razor shark is based on the bomber kit and looks nothing like the winged flyer in the pictures. The art in the rule book matches that model in the pics though.

I just flipped through the tau book, and all of the pictures that feature a razorshark look like the model. On its page the back part looks a little different, but that's only because of the angle and the main gun/beam obscure part of the back, but you can see it's there just like the model.

Zachectomy wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Pretty sure thats not a new crisis suit kit, I think thats the existing crisis suit commander model that was released when the cirrent codex dropped.

I thought so too, but if you compare the pose, groin, chest, and "gorget" plating and shoulder you'll see they're different. There's one on either side of the new stormsurge.

Honestly loving the new models but I think I'm most excited for the new XV8s

Definitely new models, they look a bit more pose-able with some more detail - but the basic chest/leg/head/arm/shoulder shape is still the same. Same silhouette, slightly better kit.

Trasvi wrote:

Zachectomy wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Pretty sure thats not a new crisis suit kit, I think thats the existing crisis suit commander model that was released when the cirrent codex dropped.

I thought so too, but if you compare the pose, groin, chest, and "gorget" plating and shoulder you'll see they're different. There's one on either side of the new stormsurge.

Honestly loving the new models but I think I'm most excited for the new XV8s

Definitely new models, they look a bit more pose-able with some more detail - but the basic chest/leg/head/arm/shoulder shape is still the same. Same silhouette, slightly better kit.

Yeah, the shoulder pad is a different shape (more curved like the Forgeworld ones than the enforcer pad) and the enforcer commander suit has actual hands with fingers whereas those look to have the normal recessed hands that don't go past the wrist like the current suits. Those are the super easy ways to tell but there are more subtle ones. They're definitely not the same as anything that has already been produced (and I've got a bit of experience with the enforcer suits, normal crisis suits, and the xv89's: see my blog link below). It's either a detailed conversion or (more likely at this point) a new standard crisis suit that incorporates some of the aesthetic changes the enforcer introduced (like the shoulder pad).

 Mulletdude wrote:

I'm going to guess that this new 'riptide' isn't actually a riptide at all. It's going to be a superheavy style suit. If you look at the waist, there is a lot more detail on it than a regular riptide waist. Also it's designation is XV128, and since the designations are based on size, this one is actually a lot bigger than the Riptide is. I would expect the XV95 to be about the same size as a hazard suit as well.

I agree. Tau'nar being 139 and both FW 'tides being smaller than 11X would mean this is going to be a Gargantuan/SHW, and the loW choice of the codex.

Also, for people that don't care for the no-arm stormsurge, I imagine you can convert it with riptide arms. And that's assuming it doesn't have any variants in the box. *and* forgeworld doesn't make extra bits for it like they've done for the riptide

Zachectomy wrote:
Also, for people that don't care for the no-arm stormsurge, I imagine you can convert it with riptide arms. And that's assuming it doesn't have any variants in the box. *and* forgeworld doesn't make extra bits for it like they've done for the riptide

Not to be pedantic but forgeworld doesn't make "extra bits" for the riptide. They make full kits and they don't even bother including the full riptide box with them despite the price. If they make a variant of this, it'll likely be very expensive with no options. If anyone might make an arm, it would be a third party like Paulson.

The feet look huge for this thing to be a riptide chasis.

From that size, the missiletide has GOT to be a LOW. It'll also lose a standup robot fist fight to a knight like Peter Dinklage fighting Mike Tyson. It could look nice if you gave it arms, turned its gun into a rifle, and put not stupid looking missile pods on the shoulders. Then it would look good.

That Xv9 stealth suit though.... Is that a CIB on its arm? Something similar, probably slightly larger but fast ROF.

Wow, busy for a couple days and I miss this dude... he looks awesome. I totally agree, that's a class larger than riptide.

No doubt there will be a formation to field 5

...kinda wishing I had just started Tau way back when rather than Space Marines.

I have to wonder if the missiles are going to be a high ROF missile pod similar to the HYMP, or a blast weapon, similar to the FW HH missile turret. I'm personally hoping for a blast weapon, that it will focus more towards the anti-heavy infantry role, whereas the big guns(?) would be anti-armor.


Edit: wow, I forgot I just said that

Not a fan, the lack of arms is hard enough to take, it just looks goofy.