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Read the last edition codex again, theres a bit in there about how they exterminated a species known as the "Reek" for refusing to join the empire. I think they refer to it specifically as the 'genocidal campaign to exterminate the Reek' in the codex, IIRC it was part of the Space Pope or Shadowsuns fluff.

You mean the "hateful reek"? That fit's under "stuff like the orks and hurd".

Edit: and you have to remember, just like the orks and hurd, they aren't confined to one system or something, but a multitude. There are still Reek controlled planets.

You dont know who or what the Reek are, nor what or why they were termed 'hateful'. Given that they were being deemed 'hateful' by the Tau, it could very well be that they were 'hateful' because (and only because) they refused to join the Empire (after all, why would the Tau offer a verminous species like the Hrud or Orks entry into the Empire otherwise?)

Their official name is the "Noisome Reek". That should tell you something about how they are viewed.

And they were conquering planets as well. They were a threat, and were defeated. And not even completely, they were driven out of Si'coa, but not destroyed.

'genocidal campaign of extermination' I believe is the actual quote from the Codex... that implies a whole lot of complete destruction, and not just being 'driven out'.

P.S. - Noisome means "having an extremely offensive smell" as does "Reek", if anything, the viewpoint of others on the species is that they smell bad. Doesn't mean much else. Though Im not sure how 'official' that name is since it appears nowhere else in the fluff as far as I can tell, and to my knowledge the only people who would know of them would be Tau.

At least 3 places according to lexicanium.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Noisome_Reek

And I know what noisome means, but you generally don't insult and entire species by there name if they are helpful pacifists now do you?

I'll get back to you on the quote (I don't have my book on me right now).

OTOH, if anybody could post it that would be great.

workblocked from lexicanum, cant see it

Ah, well it mentions them in the 5th edition rule-book, the 4th edition tau empire, and a book called "Star of Damocles".

On the matter at hand it says.

Members of this race are known to have occupied the Si'coa system that fell under the dominion of the Tau Empire. This was until the arrival of Aun'Va who instilled within the Fire Warriors a righteous rage which they turned against the hateful Reek which led to them being eliminated at Si'coa.[2]

chaos0xomega wrote:
after all, why would the Tau offer a verminous species like the Hrud or Orks entry into the Empire otherwise?

It is in their racial alignment. We are talking about a race that was triple-crossed by the Dark Eldar so hard they lost a whole planet. For each Fire/Earth/Water/Air/Ethereal caste wonder you have ten blown up reactors/messed up military ops/backfiring diplomatic deals/whatever in the Tau Empire.

I wouldn't really say stupid, just hopelessly naive.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I wouldn't really say stupid, just hopelessly naive.

The two are not mutually exclusive. I mean, you won't blow up a moon with your experimental fusion reactor if you are hopelessly naive. You do it if you are hopelessly stupid. However, you need to be both hopelessly naive and hopelessly stupid to allow the Dark Eldar to mess you up.

Or you are working with unstable mechanics. Just because stuff fails doesn't mean you are stupid. It's called experimental for a reason. And remember, I think it was around a dozen experimental systems unveiled that fight, and only the reactor was a failure (although I have to wonder whoa fusion reactor was experimental when they have dark matter ones, almost assuredly far more complicated). And as far as the DE, how could they know, never having met them before?

"How dare the Tau not realize the species they just met who offered their assistance like theTau would was just out to @#$@ them over? How stupid could they be?" /sarc

I hope the storm surge can level peg with a knight. My friend has 5 so it would be nice to kill a knight easier

 ZergSmasher wrote:
As for the Vespid discussion, I think their weapons need to either be made Assault 2 or Rapid Fire and they need to be increased in toughness/strength. After all, insects, for their size, are some of the most robust creatures on Earth, so insectoid aliens should be pretty tough.

They are tough because exoskeletons are great when you are tiny.

Exoskeleton performance ceases to excel and rapidly plunges through the floor when you get too big, hence why even the largest prehistorical insects were fairly small.

OTOH, that didn't stop the Tyranids, I guess...

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wait, I'm confused.

I thought the Ghostkeel and Stormsurge were part of the same kit?

Unlikely. We have the White Dwarf cover for October 10th, which is the pre-order date of the Ghostkeel.

The added sentence of an exclusive "minigame" for the Stormsurge suggest that the Stormsurge will go on pre-order prior to the leaked White Dwarf from the 10th (almost certainly the week before that).

Spoiler:

That's what I was thinking, but I was under the impression that the Ghostkeel shared a box with the Stormsurge/Riptide/whatever else gets put in there.

Glad to know that's not the case, as I might get one to paint.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
As for the Vespid discussion, I think their weapons need to either be made Assault 2 or Rapid Fire and they need to be increased in toughness/strength. After all, insects, for their size, are some of the most robust creatures on Earth, so insectoid aliens should be pretty tough.

They are tough because exoskeletons are great when you are tiny.

Exoskeleton performance ceases to excel and rapidly plunges through the floor when you get too big, hence why even the largest prehistorical insects were fairly small.

OTOH, that didn't stop the Tyranids, I guess...

The main reason insects are small is a lack of circulatory system. The largest prehistorical insects were able to grow large because the atmosphere had a much higher oxygen content than it does now. Oxygen was able to directly diffuse much further into their body because the potential difference was larger. As the oxygen content got smaller, so did the bugs.

Actually, the only thing that stops an exoskeleton based organism from getting huge is the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere. Those ancient bugs would have been truly massive if they needed to be to get food. But with everything being ferns instead of trees it wasn't needed.

They fairly reliably never got human-sized, however.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Actually, the only thing that stops an exoskeleton based organism from getting huge is the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere. Those ancient bugs would have been truly massive if they needed to be to get food. But with everything being ferns instead of trees it wasn't needed.

Even though I was aware of this fact, it never occurred to me how absolutely terrifying it was until just now. *shudder*

Earth insects at giant size irrelevant, GW is solidly in the camp that space insects scale up in size and hardness.

If the Stormsurge gun is a single shot, direct fire, D gun, then it should help with Knights, but not too much. A trio of dual fusion suits (if that's even an option in the new codex) will probably still do better. But we still haven't seen any leaks.

If we can get some sort of veteran infantry (jumo or jet-pack), I would be happy.

maceria wrote:
Earth insects at giant size irrelevant, GW is solidly in the camp that space insects scale up in size and hardness.

If the Stormsurge gun is a single shot, direct fire, D gun, then it should help with Knights, but not too much. A trio of dual fusion suits (if that's even an option in the new codex) will probably still do better. But we still haven't seen any leaks.

As it now stands, speculation is that the Stormsurge will be anti-infantry as its shoulder-guns look a lot like oversized pulse rifles/carbines.

Personally I can see the missile stubs being massive pie-platey apocalypse barrage (anti infantry?), and the giant shoulder pulse weapon as an antitank shot (small blast?). Maybe with the ability to fire each at different targets.

 AtoMaki wrote:

maceria wrote:
Earth insects at giant size irrelevant, GW is solidly in the camp that space insects scale up in size and hardness.

If the Stormsurge gun is a single shot, direct fire, D gun, then it should help with Knights, but not too much. A trio of dual fusion suits (if that's even an option in the new codex) will probably still do better. But we still haven't seen any leaks.

As it now stands, speculation is that the Stormsurge will be anti-infantry as its shoulder-guns look a lot like oversized pulse rifles/carbines.

Yeah, I'm basing the idea the Suit Storm will have a D weapon on codex Taus Ken doll style lack of D, coupled with GWs latest releases.

Why....? We have tons of anti-infantry. Maybe it's smaller supplemental weapons sure but not the main missile battery which is clearly larger than a HYMP and the Rail cannon thing on top is likely going to be Str D.

My Guess:
340-390 Points GMC

2x Super Heavy Missile Pods Str 8 AP 3 4 Shots
1x Rail Pulse Gun STR D AP 1
Probably some sort of alternate Mode for it that lets it shoot twice.
2x Smart Missile System
2x Anti Armor Missiles Str9 AP 2 2Shots
1x Twin Linked Burst Canon can probably overwatch at BS2

Toughness 8 7 Wounds
Nova Reactor stuff

There is precedent for large rocket pods being large blast for area saturation, but so far Tau haven't gone that way.

 Gamgee wrote:
Why....? We have tons of anti-infantry. Maybe it's smaller supplemental weapons sure but not the main missile battery which is clearly larger than a HYMP and the Rail cannon thing on top is likely going to be Str D.

My Guess:
340-390 Points GMC

2x Super Heavy Missile Pods Str 8 AP 3 4 Shots
1x Rail Pulse Gun STR D AP 1
Probably some sort of alternate Mode for it that lets it shoot twice.
2x Smart Missile System
2x Anti Armor Missiles Str9 AP 2 2Shots
1x Twin Linked Burst Canon can probably overwatch at BS2

Toughness 8 7 Wounds
Nova Reactor stuff

That wasn't a serious post was it? Just a wish list...

SMS will probably be TL. The shmp will probably be pie-platey. That's an awful lot of missiles to be just 4 shots. Maybe barrage 2 or 3?

I'm basing my predictions on two things.

1. Games Workshops need to sell OP rules.
2. Their utter lack of creativity when designing weapon stats.

All too often they want to sell better versions of good weapons that are used already so they can keep the money train rolling. This fits that creativityless void but is still reliably better than existing weapons and "cool" to a lot of people. Then just undercost the model and away we go.

Someone pay me their monthly salary please. Pretty please?

Edit
It's a serious guess. Oh but it will be bad in melee. Have some cool 5+ invulnerability shield. Also it will likely need to use its stabilizers in some way. Probably can't fire any of its guns if it moves. Except the SMS and Burst Canon.