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MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

We've learned countless times not to take the pictures of the new minis in WD as any indication of correct model count of the squad, spacing, or the likes... These are publicity shots.

I'm not generally a 40K collector, but I'm liking what I'm seeing of these upcoming Tau releases. Can someone more versed in all things Tau tell me what the basic difference is between the new Fire Warrior set and the old one is?

I'm surprised they haven't leaked the rules yet.

Has there ever been a fortification that is faction restricted?

 Bulldogging wrote:
I'm surprised they haven't leaked the rules yet.

Has there ever been a fortification that is faction restricted?

It'll be hilarious if it isn't faction specific.

Tinkrr wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

I'm pretty sure the Guardian Drone is simply a base drone you can take, as it's not listed as specific wargear for the Breachers, has the same cost as any drone, and is then displayed with the three basic drones in the newest FW picture.

krazynadechukr wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

We've learned countless times not to take the pictures of the new minis in WD as any indication of correct model count of the squad, spacing, or the likes... These are publicity shots.

Good points, but I was thinking more about the possibility of them also have the field amplifier, I suppose a 6++ is better than nothing, 5++ on the other hand , that would be pretty sweet. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer .


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 Vermonter wrote:
I'm not generally a 40K collector, but I'm liking what I'm seeing of these upcoming Tau releases. Can someone more versed in all things Tau tell me what the basic difference is between the new Fire Warrior set and the old one is?

New set has extra heads for breachers, extra backpacks, sculpt redone, slightly different poses, new weapons, new options (i.e. the turret thingie), I think that about covers it.

MoD_Legion wrote:
New set has extra heads for breachers, extra backpacks, sculpt redone, slightly different poses, new weapons, new options (i.e. the turret thingie), I think that about covers it.

Much obliged.

 pretre wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:
I'm surprised they haven't leaked the rules yet.

Has there ever been a fortification that is faction restricted?

It'll be hilarious if it isn't faction specific.

Well to be fair, nearly every single Fortification up til this point has been Imperial themed and not restricted to IoM armies. If you play Xenos and you don't scratch build, you're spending lots of time filing off Imperial Aquilas.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

We've learned countless times not to take the pictures of the new minis in WD as any indication of correct model count of the squad, spacing, or the likes... These are publicity shots.

We've never learned that from any of the most recent releases actually. Remember that people were insisting that Skitarii would be 5 models per box, because "no way they give you 10 to a box", and that they were just showcasing certain options?

I think the important thing to note about that squad picture is that even if it's an accurate squad it can only take two our of the four drone options, so just because it doesn't feature a Guardian or Gun Drone in the squad photo, doesn't mean they aren't options. They do however show all four drones in a later page, the one that we can't really read due to cropping.

It says 13 legs in the Firewarrior box description



But there are only 10 troopers in the box according to this




Less cropped pictures can be found here (already posted on p97):

http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/news,warhammer-40-000-sternenreich-tau-bilder-wd-90-operation-ghostkeel-tidewall-rampart,id46463.html

http://www.gamestrust.de/tabletop/produkt,bilder,warhammer-40-000-sternenreich-tau,id1479.html

So they are bringing us down to 10. I really have to wonder why. They've always been 12 (the midway between 'elite' troops like eldar and SMs, and 'normal' troops like gaurdsmen and orcs), why change it?

Wasnt 12 mostly because of the old sprue designs? Like Khorne Berserkers and other kits from that GW era?

Edit: They did the same with Eldar Guardians and Jetbikes e.g.

I need someone to translate the text about the Tidewall Rampart. that thing seems like its going to be amazing !

Ah, I really liked having access to a twelve man squad. This makes ethereals and and Cadre Fireblades a little worse. Mostly the fireblades.

Assuming they a) still exist and b) do remotely the same thing, yes.

Yea fireblades are a little less effective since theyre unit specific. Ethereals really wont be different since you can just take an extra squad than youre used to bringing. It is only 2 shots for the fireblades thats loss but still, a hits a hit.
Despite loving the model i never really liked the Fireblade because a firewarrior squad with a special character in it can get mopped up very quick even from afar. Thats why i started hiding my Ethereals inside a devilfish - they got good armor and a 3+ jink to save their butts and they can still do their job.
Ive lost too many Ethereals and Fireblades in one turn before i could attempt to move them to another squad.

I guess me being lazy about filling out my 12man firewarrior squads colorcoding ended up being worth it lol. Now i wont have 2 models to recolor for a new squad.

I was hoping they'd up the Devilfish capacity to 14 so a fish could hold a full squad of warriors plus drones. Wasnt exactly how i was hoping they'd fix that issue, but i guess it did assuming the fish didnt get its capacity nerts too lol

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

We've learned countless times not to take the pictures of the new minis in WD as any indication of correct model count of the squad, spacing, or the likes... These are publicity shots.

We've never learned that from any of the most recent releases actually. Remember that people were insisting that Skitarii would be 5 models per box, because "no way they give you 10 to a box", and that they were just showcasing certain options?

when the 4 hammerhead bundle showed up on gw site, Longshot was in the picture. He doesn't come in the bundle. That's what I'm saying. Photos are misleading. Wait for the rules & descriptions. Don't jump to conclusions from a photo.

Technically we're down to 10.5, not 10, as we get that turret that costs one point more than a FW but comes with missiles, so not a bad deal.

Hopefully they reduce the point cost of a Fireblade reasonable enough to compensate for this change though.

The regular firewarriors get that too?

Ok, thats kinda cool. I thought it was pretty fething dumb that a unit with a crazy short gun... i.e constantly moving.... had access to a piece of wargear that makes them be stationary.

I'll definitely add the missile variant to my squads lol

Still got hopes for Ion Rifles and/or Rail Rifles for Firewarriors though...even though its looking like lost hope right now.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

We've learned countless times not to take the pictures of the new minis in WD as any indication of correct model count of the squad, spacing, or the likes... These are publicity shots.

We've never learned that from any of the most recent releases actually. Remember that people were insisting that Skitarii would be 5 models per box, because "no way they give you 10 to a box", and that they were just showcasing certain options?

when the 4 hammerhead bundle showed up on gw site, Longshot was in the picture. He doesn't come in the bundle. That's what I'm saying. Photos are misleading. Wait for the rules & descriptions. Don't jump to conclusions from a photo.

Funny, I saw the picture when it first posted and there was no Longstrike.

 BalerionFireStorm wrote:
I need someone to translate the text about the Tidewall Rampart. that thing seems like its going to be amazing !

The text is pretty superficial and contains mostly fluff. It says that these fortifications float and can move around during battle. Acording to the detail page one of the kits is a command segment (it does look a bit like the ones in SW - Episode II when Yoda gets transported to the frontline on Geonosis, doesn't it?).



There is no hint what that means rule-wise but there are support systems and a control console (both GW's wording) at the insides of the walls of that segment. The text says the controls allow the Tau warriors to move the Tidewall.

Next to the two-page photo they mention that all the buildings in this fortification set soon to be released can contain more than 50 Firewarriors. It is impossible to find out from the text what this means rules-wise.

It also seems that you can move the fortification around with troops in it - no surprise, it would not make much sense otherwise. No information if it is an open-topped bunker and you will embark a squad onto a segment or if it works like an Aegis. The gun functions as an Anti-tank weapon to support the Fire Warriors according to the text (the segment is called Gunrig).

Edit: The third round segment is the Droneport (GW's name for it) - it is equipped with four drones. They can be detached from the building and sent to support the defenders or fight on other areas of the battlefield.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 BalerionFireStorm wrote:
I need someone to translate the text about the Tidewall Rampart. that thing seems like its going to be amazing !

The text is pretty superficial and contains mostly fluff. It says that these fortifications float and can move around during battle. Acording to the detail page one of the kits is a command segment (it does look a bit like the ones in SW - Episode II when Yoda gets transported to the frontline on Geonosis, doesn't it?).



There is no hint what that means rule-wise but there are support systems and a control console (both GW's wording) at the insides of the walls of that segment. The text says the controls allow the Tau warriors to move the Tidewall.

Next to the two-page photo they mention that all the buildings in this fortification set soon to be released can contain up to 50 Firewarriors. It is impossible to find out from the text what this means rules-wise.

It also seems that you can move the fortification around with troops in it - no surprise, it would not make much sense otherwise. No information if it is an open-topped bunker and you will embark a squad onto a segment or if it works like an Aegis. The gun functions as an Anti-tank weapon to support the Fire Warriors according to the text.

Edit: The third round segment is the drone port - it equipped with four drones. They can be detached from the building and attached to units.

thanks man very much appreciated

You are welcome. It's late here so I struggle a bit with the text but I found another interesting part, the Shieldwalls (those with the blue clear parts) do REFLECT enemy shots. According to the text they are energy barriers and are quite dangerous to the enemy. No idea how GW is handling this effect rules-wise. But they usually do not mention something if it is not part of the game, do they?

The Drones for the Droneport can be built as either Gun, Shield or Marker Drones (this sounds like a multipart kit where you have all the options available for each one but this could be a mistake by the former translation to german).

That really makes this sound Tau only.

This would definitely be breaking away from established routine on fortifications.

Who knows though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

MoD_Legion wrote:
Bah those damned pictures are cropped in such a way that it is impossible to tell whether or not the strike team can take the 6++ drone, from the first picture though it would appear not (as the squad has a shield and gun drone). I want to knooooow :(.

We've learned countless times not to take the pictures of the new minis in WD as any indication of correct model count of the squad, spacing, or the likes... These are publicity shots.

We've never learned that from any of the most recent releases actually. Remember that people were insisting that Skitarii would be 5 models per box, because "no way they give you 10 to a box", and that they were just showcasing certain options?

when the 4 hammerhead bundle showed up on gw site, Longshot was in the picture. He doesn't come in the bundle. That's what I'm saying. Photos are misleading. Wait for the rules & descriptions. Don't jump to conclusions from a photo.

Funny, I saw the picture when it first posted and there was no Longstrike.

On the GW front page ( http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000 ) when it (the bundle of 4 hammerheads) first came out, the banner that said "Tau Best Sellers" (now it is the Riptide), and on the banner was pictured Longshot (character & the same kits in the bundle, and said "Armoured Interdiction Cadre" over the picture...When you click on it, it went here http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Armoured-Interdiction-Cadre . Anyways, my point was, and is, just because it is (or isn't) in the photo, does not indicate what is, or isn't, coming in a certain box or bundle. Someone made a comment about a WD leaked photo, didn't see drones, assumed they won't come with drones....

Probably have to bring a specific formation to field it, I would guess. Maybe it's the required for the Tau base detachment? Lol

I really like those firewarrior updates.

The buildings could just get a faction symbol on the datasheets (which are included in the box according to the magazine) and it would be clear these are not general fortifications.

They are four different building kits but that was mentioned already by others.

 Bulldogging wrote:
That really makes this sound Tau only.

This would definitely be breaking away from established routine on fortifications.

Who knows though.

keep you're dirty Adeptus Mechanicus away from my wall.

So the Breacher squad is a different kit then?

It seems like the firewarriors are keeping their original shoulderpads.