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 Talys wrote:
Didn't see English versions, but I admit I haven't read every page Here is the text of the 2 pages on Tidewall, specifically, those that mention that (a) it can move and (b) it reflects shots back on the attackers.

How it can advance and withdraw as required:



How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":

I don't ever like to say "I told you so" but regarding the Tidewall actually moving.....dayum, how did people honestly not see it happening with the "mobile" comment?
This thing is going to be awesome I bet, I can't wait to have my Tau buddies use it to see what it's like.

Cheers Talys! It's a shame the White Dwarf doesn't have its rules but I guess they want to push the kit so people don't just scratch-build it.

 Talys wrote:


How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":

Wasn't there a Necron shield that did this same thing? Something like any saved attacks can be reflected at a nearby enemy unit? Or was that an older codex?

In english it does not sound to be a blind effect as well. Cool as that would be boring.

hokieseas wrote:

 Talys wrote:


How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":

Wasn't there a Necron shield that did this same thing? Something like any saved attacks can be reflected at a nearby enemy unit? Or was that an older codex?

The old Lychguard used to do this in the Necron 5th Edition codex with their Dispersion Shields.

hokieseas wrote:

 Talys wrote:


How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":

Wasn't there a Necron shield that did this same thing? Something like any saved attacks can be reflected at a nearby enemy unit? Or was that an older codex?

Dispersion Shield in the previous codex. Now all it provides is a 3+ Invulnerable save.

The new Tau terrain looks really good; I can definitely hope that more terrain kits get released for Xenos armies. Now all we need to see are the rules for the terrain and codex leaks.

Honestly this thing could be a real problem if they don't get it right. You can house up to 50 Fire Warriors on what is presumably a defence line that has shot-deflecting shields across all of it, a twin-linked railgun turret and a batch of Drones, all the while the thing can actually move forwards or backwards? Yikes. That's a lot of rules we haven't seen implemented onto a terrain piece before!

The pictures show Riptides/Stormsurges/etc all standing right behind the Tidewall Rampart, I wonder if any unit can have part of their base on the Tidewall and get its defensive benefits? We have no idea of what it will actually do and how it will function but the idea of a Stormsurge sitting in a Tidewall that reflects Destroyer shots back at the firer is pretty dang hilarious; I'm assuming it won't be that good.

Caederes wrote:
Honestly this thing could be a real problem if they don't get it right. You can house up to 50 Fire Warriors on what is presumably a defence line that has shot-deflecting shields across all of it, a twin-linked railgun turret and a batch of Drones, all the while the thing can actually move forwards or backwards? Yikes. That's a lot of rules we haven't seen implemented onto a terrain piece before!

The pictures show Riptides/Stormsurges/etc all standing right behind the Tidewall Rampart, I wonder if any unit can have part of their base on the Tidewall and get its defensive benefits? We have no idea of what it will actually do and how it will function but the idea of a Stormsurge sitting in a Tidewall that reflects Destroyer shots back at the firer is pretty dang hilarious; I'm assuming it won't be that good.

If it reflects destroyer shots I'm going to LOL my ass off. Hahah. I'm already pre laughing and I don't even know if its possible. Imagine if its actually possible? More likely only the sections with the energy field will reflect.

Caederes wrote:
I don't ever like to say "I told you so" but regarding the Tidewall actually moving.....dayum, how did people honestly not see it happening with the "mobile" comment?
This thing is going to be awesome I bet, I can't wait to have my Tau buddies use it to see what it's like.

Cheers Talys! It's a shame the White Dwarf doesn't have its rules but I guess they want to push the kit so people don't just scratch-build it.

Yeah, I think it's pretty unambiguous. I don't see how anyone could read the English paragraphs and interpret it as being a stationary model

It is pretty cool that there's a mobile piece of terrain now. One potential problem is that most games that we play, you couldn't actually move this very much, because we have too much OTHER terrain, hehehe.

And... my pleasure, glad it's helpful.

Still not seeing any rules about it moving during a game...

Because we have no rules, period. But the description is what we are going off of.

vitae_drinker wrote:
Still not seeing any rules about it moving during a game...

Because the rules are in the box not White Dwarf.

Hovers over the battlefield. Moves away and forward as the battle changes. It's in the first little part.

Did we see any rules for the Ghostkeel when we seen its picture first then its description? No, but we knew it would be stealthy and have some sort of rules that would work with its fluff as depicted.

All of this things fluff says two things. It floats and moves, and it reflects (though I'm not entirely convinced it would redirect). It uses the word reflect and says that it has "devastating consequences" for the enemy. Yeah it would be bad having your shots redirected away from the target, but does that imply it will hit the enemies who shot at it? No.

I could see it ranting cover saves to stuff behind it like normal terrain, but keepin all the special rules limited to models "embarked" on it, and limiting it to (jump/jet)infantry models.

vitae_drinker wrote:
Still not seeing any rules about it moving during a game...

Are you actually serious?

It's as if everything we've read about the model - its product description, its accompanying analysis article, etc - all say that it moves in games.

Please tell me you are being facetious?


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I could see it ranting cover saves to stuff behind it like normal terrain, but keepin all the special rules limited to models "embarked" on it, and limiting it to (jump/jet)infantry models.

This is probably a good bet and I would be happy with that as it would still give Stormsurges/Riptides/Hammerheads/etc a moving 5+ (or maybe 4+ if they get the defence line bonus for touching it) cover save that doesn't inhibit their actual mobility.

I'm serious. Show me the datasheet.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I'm serious. Show me the datasheet.

Be patient. By this time next week I'm sure we will all be aware of its full rules due to early leaks.

vitae_drinker wrote:
I'm serious. Show me the datasheet.

We don't have it yet. Until then we have the product description which says it's mobile, that's all we have, and that's what we are going after. Just wait a few days and we'll have it for sure. Heck the codex might even be released.

Oh, I'm patient. I just think it's hilarious all the people jumping all over this like they have proof it does what they think it does. Honestly, even IF it moves during a game, most game tables (unless you play on a flat plain) will restrict its movement.

Could it have some sort of redeployment mode? I could see that. But a moving fort? Especially one that's indestructible like some are postulating? Nah, I don't see it.

I'm sorry, how are we "jumping all over this like (we) have proof" when it says in numerous different spots that it moves? Christ. It's like the product description gives a hint of what the product does.

vitae_drinker wrote:
Oh, I'm patient. I just think it's hilarious all the people jumping all over this like they have proof it does what they think it does. Honestly, even IF it moves during a game, most game tables (unless you play on a flat plain) will restrict its movement.

Could it have some sort of redeployment mode? I could see that. But a moving fort? Especially one that's indestructible like some are postulating? Nah, I don't see it.

Well the official description of it in the official publication of the company makes it says it does something, people tend to take that as...yknow "Official"

Not an original thought by any means, but it definitely just struck me how if the rules are in the box, surely that means anyone can use it? Can't imagine faction specific terrain anyways.

Just makes me laugh wondering how many "captured" and "converted" Tide walls we will see on the battlefield!

The description also lends to Kan's excellent point about separate and smaller sections in the future.

Hmmmm......

A few observations on the tidewall.

It clearly is three fortification sections, (gunrig, droneport, shieldline). This box is prolly a bundle of what will be three seperate kits later.

It only mentions plastic in one part - so I hope its not resin - which would have a greater chance at being limited.

Fluff wise yes, it moves during a battle or campaign - but in a battle or campaign we have orcas delivering drone turrets, etc. Will this actually move in the confines of a single tactical engagement that occurs over a field the size of a football field? don't really know.

Its huge - look at the footprint on that thing. It might not even be possible to get it on most tables, much less move it around.

I hope it can move, that would be cool - but we don't 100% know. I also hope the rules are decent (and not overly complex) and its fairly costed, points wise. We already know its over costed in dollars.

^What I've been saying.

hokieseas wrote:

 Talys wrote:


How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":

Wasn't there a Necron shield that did this same thing? Something like any saved attacks can be reflected at a nearby enemy unit? Or was that an older codex?

The 1960's style robots on the mechanics cults reflect shots (not sure if it is just the formation or if they all do it). If anyone can have this fortification then it is going to suck to have four wraithknights hiding behind this....

Can the stealth drones cover or give cover to tbat paltform?


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Can the stealth drones cover or give cover to that paltform?

Interested to see the stats on that wall and whether or not Allies can use it. Seeing as the Tau alliance table is basically "anyone who isn't a bug or a manifestation of horror", it might see play around even if it is for Tau only.

Has anyone opened up one of those new repackaged boxed of Devilfish? Wonder if they have finally included all the weapon choices in the box.(Read: SMS)

From the product description:

This boxed set contains 1 multi-part plastic Tau Devilfish APC with a variety of optional parts and weapons.

I've no recollection what the old description was but I guess that's the same?

Never thought about that...

Fire Team could indeed mean something for the Stormsurge. Considering the Ghostkeel is the only one we know of that has it and the fluff points to it being a recon unit in a sense, yet it doesnt have any currently known rules to help other units.
When i saw that fluff i thought "so why doesnt this thing have some kind of dual-markerlight type weapon (applies 2 marks instead of 1) if its a spotter for the surge?"

wighti wrote:
Has anyone opened up one of those new repackaged boxed of Devilfish? Wonder if they have finally included all the weapon choices in the box.(Read: SMS)

From the product description:

This boxed set contains 1 multi-part plastic Tau Devilfish APC with a variety of optional parts and weapons.

I've no recollection what the old description was but I guess that's the same?

While the fish (and hh, skyray, etc.) could certainly benefit from a new design (there are a lot of gaps in the current model, etc.) I think if gw was making a new kit, we would have heard about it by now...and a big price increase.

To get the sms, you need the hammerhead spure, if I am not mistaken. A good substitute are any extra sms from the broadsides (I only put one on, and call it twin linked) riptide, sunsharks, or of course, just gluing two missile pods together from crisis kits.

Speaking of sunsharks - here is hoping the flyers get a really sold revamp of the rules - they are incredibly bad. Would love to see the sales numbers on those, as compared to say ...riptides.