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 kronk wrote:


But if those little round thingies can zoom around, that would be kick ass.

If there is a game-side mobile component to the model, I hope that is it. (the round dicks could essentially be a docked open topped vehicle)

I am hoping the Mobile terrain is more a BG material element justifying why the Tau would have fortifications at all, not that there is a table top effect.

the concept of a Mobile bunker(that looks like a bunker) still seem silly to me even with that justification. Why wouldn't the Tau more logically create a vehicle that give the embark troops fire ports or platform to fire from, (like the IG StormLord). The Tau can still have Bunkers (occasionally ANY army has to Hold a position), But when it come to mobility, designs based around Static fortifications are silly at their foundation at this scale.

but to each his own.

They could have easily made it a legit vehicle, but i bet they didnt because it would be insanely difficult to find its facings on top of being the weirdest Super Heavy Vehicle in the game. No way it would be a regular vehicle since that would constrict the multiple units and its far too big anyway.

GW does do SOME things to make games make a little more sense/simple....note i said some...

 Vineheart01 wrote:
If Riptides are forced to take their shielded drones im going to be pissed. I'd rather not have them even if they are FREE because they pose that big a threat to its own well-being. Its not that hard to snipe a drone when only one model is standing in front of it, no matter how large it is, and force a leadership because 1 of 3 = 33% which is beyond 25% BAM leadership test.

Though i would be surprised if riptides arent taken in squads. If only Ghostkeels were in squads, i wouldnt expect it, but Stormsurges are squads....? Wouldnt make any sense if Riptides didnt become squads.

I always take one missile Drone, only I always hide it behind the riptide. Why? Because your majority armor save becomes a 4+.

Nothing makes me happier than watching the smug grin melt away when an opponent realizes their grav isn't wounding my Riptide on a 2+.

a mobile wall is way cooler than an open-topped vehicle!

can't pay for $160, though. Gotta wait for the separate parts

 derling wrote:

 kronk wrote:


But if those little round thingies can zoom around, that would be kick ass.

If there is a game-side mobile component to the model, I hope that is it. (the round dicks could essentially be a docked open topped vehicle)

I am hoping the Mobile terrain is more a BG material element justifying why the Tau would have fortifications at all, not that there is a table top effect.

the concept of a Mobile bunker(that looks like a bunker) still seem silly to me even with that justification. Why wouldn't the Tau more logically create a vehicle that give the embark troops fire ports or platform to fire from, (like the IG StormLord). The Tau can still have Bunkers (occasionally ANY army has to Hold a position), But when it come to mobility, designs based around Static fortifications are silly at their foundation at this scale.

but to each his own.

These are Tau versions of Hussite war wagons!

LighthouseM wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
If Riptides are forced to take their shielded drones im going to be pissed. I'd rather not have them even if they are FREE because they pose that big a threat to its own well-being. Its not that hard to snipe a drone when only one model is standing in front of it, no matter how large it is, and force a leadership because 1 of 3 = 33% which is beyond 25% BAM leadership test.

Though i would be surprised if riptides arent taken in squads. If only Ghostkeels were in squads, i wouldnt expect it, but Stormsurges are squads....? Wouldnt make any sense if Riptides didnt become squads.

I always take one missile Drone, only I always hide it behind the riptide. Why? Because your majority armor save becomes a 4+.

Nothing makes me happier than watching the smug grin melt away when an opponent realizes their grav isn't wounding my Riptide on a 2+.

Gravs wound on majority? Did..not know that. Then again there arent any vanilla marine players around here, all of us think theyre either trash or cheese, they have no "friendly" list that can still win

I thought the Fire Team rule would just state that the 'Suit in the unit (Ghostkeel, Riptide, Broadside, etc) doesn't have to take Ld checks if the drones in the unit get destroyed.

They're a 'Fire Team' unit after all, and no Ghostkeel pilot is going to mourn the loss of a couple of automated drones.

Unless the Ghostkeel pilot has formed a secret relationship with one of the drones over many, many years of fighting alongside it...a secret love, a hidden desire...

Hmm, still a better love story than Twilight.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
They could have easily made it a legit vehicle, but i bet they didnt because it would be insanely difficult to find its facings on top of being the weirdest Super Heavy Vehicle in the game. No way it would be a regular vehicle since that would constrict the multiple units and its far too big anyway.

GW does do SOME things to make games make a little more sense/simple....note i said some...

Totally agree, but my point is more to thinking of how a Tau engineer would approach making a mobile firing platform. They would more likely create a vehicle that allows embarked firing positions, NOT take a building and make it fly in a manner that translate to a quantifiable effect in the scale that the game encompases.


More like this


and less like this...

It may move but sufficiently slowly that in game terms it's not really worth doing

eg an inch or two a turn

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
I thought the Fire Team rule would just state that the 'Suit in the unit (Ghostkeel, Riptide, Broadside, etc) doesn't have to take Ld checks if the drones in the unit get destroyed.

They're a 'Fire Team' unit after all, and no Ghostkeel pilot is going to mourn the loss of a couple of automated drones.

Unless the Ghostkeel pilot has formed a secret relationship with one of the drones over many, many years of fighting alongside it...a secret love, a hidden desire...

Hmm, still a better love story than Twilight.

Nobody knows the rule. Any kind of crunch regarding that, to this point, is pure speculation

 Vineheart01 wrote:

LighthouseM wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
If Riptides are forced to take their shielded drones im going to be pissed. I'd rather not have them even if they are FREE because they pose that big a threat to its own well-being. Its not that hard to snipe a drone when only one model is standing in front of it, no matter how large it is, and force a leadership because 1 of 3 = 33% which is beyond 25% BAM leadership test.

Though i would be surprised if riptides arent taken in squads. If only Ghostkeels were in squads, i wouldnt expect it, but Stormsurges are squads....? Wouldnt make any sense if Riptides didnt become squads.

I always take one missile Drone, only I always hide it behind the riptide. Why? Because your majority armor save becomes a 4+.

Nothing makes me happier than watching the smug grin melt away when an opponent realizes their grav isn't wounding my Riptide on a 2+.

Gravs wound on majority? Did..not know that. Then again there arent any vanilla marine players around here, all of us think theyre either trash or cheese, they have no "friendly" list that can still win

No it doesn't, that's just how most people play it (including me), dude shouldn't have stated it as a fact however, it can cause this exact kind of confusion and cannot be reliably used as a tactic as some tourneys or groups may not play it that way.

 derling wrote:

 kronk wrote:


But if those little round thingies can zoom around, that would be kick ass.

If there is a game-side mobile component to the model, I hope that is it. (the round dicks could essentially be a docked open topped vehicle)

I am hoping the Mobile terrain is more a BG material element justifying why the Tau would have fortifications at all, not that there is a table top effect.

the concept of a Mobile bunker(that looks like a bunker) still seem silly to me even with that justification. Why wouldn't the Tau more logically create a vehicle that give the embark troops fire ports or platform to fire from, (like the IG StormLord). The Tau can still have Bunkers (occasionally ANY army has to Hold a position), But when it come to mobility, designs based around Static fortifications are silly at their foundation at this scale.

but to each his own.

WD says:

The Tidewall Rampart hovers above the battlefield, skimming mere inches above cracked earth or ash wastes, borne aloft by the power that thrums through its anti-grav generators. In this fashion, it is able to advance with the main force, providing fire support with its twin-linked railgun and a steady gun platform for squads of Fire Warriors. Should the army wish to fall back, the Tidewall withdraws just as smoothly, ensuring those Tau troopers aboard it can concentrate solely on unleasing a punishing hail of fire into the foe.

I don't see how it could be more clear that models can sit on the Tidewall, fire from it, and the Tidewall itself can advance and retreat.

Elsewhere it distinctly says that the drones can detach and zip off as separate models; it even has a picture of that.

Here's where it's quoted from. Incidentally, just for laughs, these exact photos (mine!) are posted up as BoLS news today, even though I snapped the photos yesterday. At least they could have given some credit as coming from Dakka. You saw it here first!

LighthouseM wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
If Riptides are forced to take their shielded drones im going to be pissed. I'd rather not have them even if they are FREE because they pose that big a threat to its own well-being. Its not that hard to snipe a drone when only one model is standing in front of it, no matter how large it is, and force a leadership because 1 of 3 = 33% which is beyond 25% BAM leadership test.

Though i would be surprised if riptides arent taken in squads. If only Ghostkeels were in squads, i wouldnt expect it, but Stormsurges are squads....? Wouldnt make any sense if Riptides didnt become squads.

I always take one missile Drone, only I always hide it behind the riptide. Why? Because your majority armor save becomes a 4+.

Nothing makes me happier than watching the smug grin melt away when an opponent realizes their grav isn't wounding my Riptide on a 2+.

Doesnt that just make it a 50/50 split and make it stay at 2+? Not sure if it allows you to actually choose when there is a tie, although if it would auto-take the 'best' I suppose from your point of a view the 4+ would be best .

I see massive amounts of hills, terrain features, and buildings cluttering the table to counter this Tau Wall from ever being deployed...

 krazynadechukr wrote:
I see massive amounts of hills, terrain features, and buildings cluttering the table to counter this Tau Wall from ever being deployed...

Which makes the game way more interesting than those bland stuff most people use

 Talys wrote:


WD says:

The Tidewall Rampart hovers above the battlefield, skimming mere inches above cracked earth or ash wastes, borne aloft by the power that thrums through its anti-grav generators. In this fashion, it is able to advance with the main force, providing fire support with its twin-linked railgun and a steady gun platform for squads of Fire Warriors. Should the army wish to fall back, the Tidewall withdraws just as smoothly, ensuring those Tau troopers aboard it can concentrate solely on unleasing a punishing hail of fire into the foe.

I don't see how it could be more clear that models can sit on the Tidewall, fire from it, and the Tidewall itself can advance and retreat.

....

Here's where it's quoted from. Incidentally, just for laughs, these exact photos (mine!) are posted up as BoLS news today, even though I snapped the photos yesterday. At least they could have given some credit as coming from Dakka. You saw it here first!

Spoiler:

 Talys wrote:
How it can advance and withdraw as required:



How it can "deflect incoming fire, often with devastating results for the attackers":

sure! AND.... It MIGHT behave in the rules exactly as that...

It will still seem patently ridiculous IMO.

The Razor Shark Model's description on the website says it "is capable of sweeping down from the skies", but to my knowledge it still is a static model on a flying stand.

MoD_Legion wrote:

LighthouseM wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
If Riptides are forced to take their shielded drones im going to be pissed. I'd rather not have them even if they are FREE because they pose that big a threat to its own well-being. Its not that hard to snipe a drone when only one model is standing in front of it, no matter how large it is, and force a leadership because 1 of 3 = 33% which is beyond 25% BAM leadership test.

Though i would be surprised if riptides arent taken in squads. If only Ghostkeels were in squads, i wouldnt expect it, but Stormsurges are squads....? Wouldnt make any sense if Riptides didnt become squads.

I always take one missile Drone, only I always hide it behind the riptide. Why? Because your majority armor save becomes a 4+.

Nothing makes me happier than watching the smug grin melt away when an opponent realizes their grav isn't wounding my Riptide on a 2+.

Doesnt that just make it a 50/50 split and make it stay at 2+? Not sure if it allows you to actually choose when there is a tie, although if it would auto-take the 'best' I suppose from your point of a view the 4+ would be best .

He's applying the principles set by wounding toughness, where it favors the defender (one T4 model and one T5 model mean you wound against the higher toughness instead of the lower). There isn't a solid rule stating it either way unfortunately. I personally favor this method since it keeps in line with how wounding works overall.

 derling wrote:

The Razor Shark Model's description on the website says it "is capable of sweeping down from the skies", but to my knowledge it still is a static model on a flying stand.

...

Since the grav's to-wound rule is based on armor rather than toughness, it does make sense to apply it the same way.

Well this is unusual...

i just got my box in for my Stormsurge, and thumbing through it to get an idea how its normally put together before i start hacking away at it to fix the stupid armlessness problem, i noticed it has the rules in the back of the instructions....?

Whats really odd is its missing the gun profiles. Its just the points, stat line, and wargear lists.
Why would they put those in there at all? And on top of that, only put in the points but not the gun profiles?

It's a quick and easy way to see what you can and cannot do with a kit I suppose.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Well this is unusual...

i just got my box in for my Stormsurge, and thumbing through it to get an idea how its normally put together before i start hacking away at it to fix the stupid armlessness problem, i noticed it has the rules in the back of the instructions....?

Whats really odd is its missing the gun profiles. Its just the points, stat line, and wargear lists.
Why would they put those in there at all? And on top of that, only put in the points but not the gun profiles?

They've been doing that for a good while now. It's just to see an overview of what the model can do and it's not expected that you'll keep instructions around to actually play, they want you to buy the codex for that.

Their sales reps should quit telling us the kits "include all the rules" then. I had no idea they didn't include complete rules for the model. Bad because this is what i have told my customers.

Technically what they include with the instructions these days is the same page as found the codex, giving you the entry sans the shiny image, but with all options and special rules, though the description and stats of these is found elsewhere in the codex.

 BrookM wrote:
Technically what they include with the instructions these days is the same page as found the codex, giving you the entry sans the shiny image, but with all options and special rules, though the description and stats of these is found elsewhere in the codex.

So what they give you is the model's datasheet.

 Ghaz wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Technically what they include with the instructions these days is the same page as found the codex, giving you the entry sans the shiny image, but with all options and special rules, though the description and stats of these is found elsewhere in the codex.

So what they give you is the model's datasheet.

That's the word!

some bad quality leaks ...

I like that cover.

I'd venture to guess that the reflecting shots of the Tidewall will work something like the Admech Kastelan repulsor grid.

Something like "saves vs shooting attacks, on a roll of a 5-6 reflect the shot back to its source, inflicting a automatic hit. Cannot reflects blasts or templates"

If its something like that, my admech will hate it, but I don't see my IG worrying about it. Even if the Tidewall turns out to be super op (doubtful) I'm excited by the direction this is going. Maybe this is GW pushing towards a more mobile play style instead of static castles? This thought makes me yearn for a Leviathan.

 Ir0njack wrote:
I'd venture to guess that the reflecting shots of the Tidewall will work something like the Admech Kastelan repulsor grid.

Something like "saves vs shooting attacks, on a roll of a 5-6 reflect the shot back to its source, inflicting a automatic hit. Cannot reflects blasts or templates"

If its something like that, my admech will hate it, but I don't see my IG worrying about it. Even if the Tidewall turns out to be super op (doubtful) I'm excited by the direction this is going. Maybe this is GW pushing towards a more mobile play style instead of static castles? This thought makes me yearn for a Leviathan.

So, if a Kastellan fires at a Tidewall and its shot gets reflected... does it reflect until someone fails?

Pong: 40k edition!

That "cover" looks like the limited edition. Its the same picture as on the current Codex. GW never use the same cover twice no?