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maceria wrote:
Overall formation bennifets: improved overwatch.

my RAMPANT SPECULATION is the overall formation would give +X free markerlight tokens per turn. Maybe 3+D3 or something to that effect.

My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

So... anyone speaking German by chance?

http://www.40kings.de/2015/10/regeln-und-punktkosten-fur-neue-tau-einheiten/

 Talys wrote:

 mazik765 wrote:
I love reading this thread because it seems every page it flips from "tau are op because of the tidelwall!" to "tau are useless because 80pt devilfish!". Make up your mind

Pfft. Every unit should is too cheap unless I'm fielding them, in which case they are all way overcosted. =]

Reminds me of an OLD essay post I wrote on the GW Games Dev forum back in the day entitled "All armies I don't play are unfair".

maceria wrote:
My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

I think you're confusing Kelly and Ward there.

Wulfson_40K wrote:
So... anyone speaking German by chance?

http://www.40kings.de/2015/10/regeln-und-punktkosten-fur-neue-tau-einheiten/

Angled poorly, relevant info cut out of frame, bad glare, non-english. If those had been out of focus this would be the best codex leak yet!


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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

maceria wrote:
My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

I think you're confusing Kelly and Ward there.

No, Wards stuff was too crazy... valuable for the codex. It will be in a 12 page standalone supplement adding one formation bonus and costing roughly $75USD.

Wulfson_40K wrote:
So... anyone speaking German by chance?

http://www.40kings.de/2015/10/regeln-und-punktkosten-fur-neue-tau-einheiten/

By guess work the HQ is an etherial, slite is stealth suits (shas'ui and 'vre) Strum is troops, being pathfinders and a unique (possibly?) shas'ui (could mean a permanant move to trrops, could mean just for the set). Fahrzeuge is fast attack, being a "tireless hunter" which is an awesome name for a pirhana, I'm calling them that from no one. "Unermüdlicher Jaeger" The weapons are, in order, burst cannon, fusion blaster, iron rifle, rail rifle, and pulse carbine. And then the melee weapon, an honor blade. Nothing different, as afar as I can see..


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maceria wrote:

Wulfson_40K wrote:
So... anyone speaking German by chance?

http://www.40kings.de/2015/10/regeln-und-punktkosten-fur-neue-tau-einheiten/

Angled poorly, relevant info cut out of frame, bad glare, non-english. If those had been out of focus this would be the best codex leak yet!

Not a codex leak, it's just for the new tau vs raven guard set.

I really wish I had paid more attention in German. Still looks like 2 markerlights = ignore cover. And piranhas bumped to bs 4!! Wonder if the devil fish gets the same treatment

Piranhas bs4? Thats odd. Wonder if theyre getting new weapon options or something. Right now theyre just bursts for cheap or fusions for a somewhat hefty price.
My piranhas almost never use their full BS because theyre my mobile wall - theyre perma jinking trying to piss my opponent off and slow down charges.

Not going to lie it would be kinda funny to slap on some airbursters to a piranha lol

Well, might be unique, as it's called a "tireless hunter" not sure if that's just what their called in Germany or not?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

maceria wrote:
My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

I think you're confusing Kelly and Ward there.

I both know,respect, and like both of those people...but you're fooling yourself if you believe one is significantly better than the other in a truly objective sense. If you knew how the sausage was made, you'd know that having your name on a codex means far less than you think... and that is not meant to belittle their work. the process is a collective effort and much of the decision making is heavily influenced from outside the hands of the GD team.

BS4 makes that fusion much more enticing.


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 derling wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

maceria wrote:
My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

I think you're confusing Kelly and Ward there.

I both know,respect, and like both of those people...but you're fooling yourself if you believe one is significantly better than the other in a truly objective sense. If you knew how the sausage was made, you'd know that having your name on a codex means far less than you think... and that is not meant to belittle their work. the process is a collective effort and much of the decision making is heavily influenced from outside the hands of the GD team.

Also, lots of not-OP or not-garbage units, and taking something thematic (fish names) and slapping it everywhere (FISHY FISHY OCEAN!) are both very common in Kelly codex.

Which I happen to like.

ive never been a fan of the fusion because piranhas arent that hard to remove if you really want to remove them, and a fusion not only adds extra price (also why i never put dpods on them) but a level of threat to make those anti-tank shots worth it.

I like keeping them dirt cheap. Theyre just strong enough where troops cant shoot it, forcing either multiple assaults or waste your heavy guns to remove them instead of my tanks / suits.
Same token, 5 bursts is enough dakka to cause some pain if you try to ignore them.

I never said one was better than the other, its just that what he wrote was based on the whole 'Necrons/BAs are BFFs' joke (which is hyperbole of the actual background) which was a Ward thing, not a Kelly thing.
And by that I mean the person the joke is attributed to, not necessarily the person who actually came up with the idea. Ward's name was on the cover so it was attributed to him. Which is almost 100% why they stopped putting individual names on it.

 derling wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

maceria wrote:
My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

I think you're confusing Kelly and Ward there.

I both know,respect, and like both of those people...but you're fooling yourself if you believe one is significantly better than the other in a truly objective sense. If you knew how the sausage was made, you'd know that having your name on a codex means far less than you think... and that is not meant to belittle their work. the process is a collective effort and much of the decision making is heavily influenced from outside the hands of the GD team.

... If the design team doesn't completely design, wtf is the point?

Pathfinder Team Aurora have Relentless and Ignor cover from what I can tell (though am unsure if it is Ignore cover or move through cover without seeing the previous german naming conventions of USR rules)

This Pathfinder team is ALSO a 10 man unit, continuing the Breacher trend of seeing Tau Infantry units converting to decimal Rank and Org systems.

Wulfson_40K wrote:
So... anyone speaking German by chance?

http://www.40kings.de/2015/10/regeln-und-punktkosten-fur-neue-tau-einheiten/

Nothing spectacular there. Looks like Markerlights stayed exactly as they were.

The one potentially big change is a huge nerf to Supporting Fire, although we can almost certainly be sure that that's due to a bad translation mistake. (German wording says that Supporting Fire can be used by units within 6" of the charging unit)

 McNinja wrote:

 derling wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

maceria wrote:
My rampant speculation: Phil Kelly wrote some new codex sections where Farsight and Shadowsun grudgingly work together to take the Purtide brain recording to a Necron tomb world and implant it into a C'Tan the Necrons had captured in a stasis machine. They resurrect Puretide as the new LOW choice, becoming BFFs along the way.

I think you're confusing Kelly and Ward there.

I both know,respect, and like both of those people...but you're fooling yourself if you believe one is significantly better than the other in a truly objective sense. If you knew how the sausage was made, you'd know that having your name on a codex means far less than you think... and that is not meant to belittle their work. the process is a collective effort and much of the decision making is heavily influenced from outside the hands of the GD team.

... If the design team doesn't completely design, wtf is the point?

Design is what they do, but the business gets to design parameters that define how they work in a Design Brief.

External influences-
The business then also sets the number of new things that can/must be added.
The business then also can affect theme (and deriving canon derivations)
The business then can also affect the timescape and placement of release.

Internally-
The GD teams have checks and balances in their office to mitigate these things to a degree, but the GD group never has absolute authority on the final product...
Nearly alll staff participate in every product in some fashion as well.

I know one of Ward's books I was lucky to work on got delayed 2 quarters because it did not meet external influence requirements and the final concept was significantly changed from the initial, thumping Ward's career there in the process. He took a professional beating from what the gaming enthusiast's perspective would have been fine, possibly preferred.

That is not to say the individual doesn't have some influence. ( Somethings like the Sanguinor can never be forgiven ), but the internet strongly exaggerates the praise and condemnations the GD individuals individually deserve for any individual project.

Is there a confirmed release date for the codex yet? I saw a price, but not a date.

That has to be a translation error. 6" of the charging unit pretty much will never happen unless the opponent is an idiot and put his unit right in between your 2/3 units.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
That has to be a translation error. 6" of the charging unit pretty much will never happen unless the opponent is an idiot and put his unit right in between your 2/3 units.

You sure it's not "6" of the unit being charged"?

 agnosto wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
That has to be a translation error. 6" of the charging unit pretty much will never happen unless the opponent is an idiot and put his unit right in between your 2/3 units.

You sure it's not "6" of the unit being charged"?

Its says any unit within 6" of the 'angreifenden' unit, which means attacking.

 derling wrote:
Pathfinder Team Aurora have Relentless and Ignor cover from what I can tell (though am unsure if it is Ignore cover or move through cover without seeing the previous german naming conventions of USR rules)

This Pathfinder team is ALSO a 10 man unit, continuing the Breacher trend of seeing Tau Infantry units converting to decimal Rank and Org systems.

Both the special rules are for the Shas'Ui only, and the first translates as 'Unyielding', which I thought meant Stubborn, especially as the Ethereal grants them the same ability.

Thats why i said it has to be a translation error.
That makes no sense. If it was 12" of the charging unit, bit more understandable. 6"? dafuq?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Thats why i said it has to be a translation error.
That makes no sense. If it was 12" of the charging unit, bit more understandable. 6"? dafuq?

How different is the German word for 'attacked', rather than 'attacking'? Might be as simple as that.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
and the first translates as 'Unyielding', which I thought meant Stubborn, especially as the Ethereal grants them the same ability.

Ooh, I bet you're right! The translation dictionary had both unyielding and Unrelenting and my brain locked onto the second one.... and the german codex translation game is new to me.

 derling wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
and the first translates as 'Unyielding', which I thought meant Stubborn, especially as the Ethereal grants them the same ability.

Ooh, I bet you're right! The translation dictionary had both unyielding and Unrelenting and my brain locked onto the second one.... and the german codex translation game is new to me.

German translation is new to me too , currently I'm relying on Google.

I'd much prefer it be Relentless though, they could move and shoot their rail rifles that way, and an Ethereal could make Broadsides move and fire

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Thats why i said it has to be a translation error.
That makes no sense. If it was 12" of the charging unit, bit more understandable. 6"? dafuq?

How different is the German word for 'attacked', rather than 'attacking'? Might be as simple as that.

Quite different: 'angreifenden' is 'attacker' and 'angegriffen' is 'attacked'.

 AtoMaki wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Thats why i said it has to be a translation error.
That makes no sense. If it was 12" of the charging unit, bit more understandable. 6"? dafuq?

How different is the German word for 'attacked', rather than 'attacking'? Might be as simple as that.

Quite different: 'angreifenden' is 'attacker' and 'angegriffen' is 'attacked'.

Could "the attacking unit" be referring to the one firing overwatch?

I'll wait for the english version before jumping on final conclusions. But we can see some differences:

Aun'Do has +1W and a 5+ armour save
Pulse Accelerator Drone has BS3. Curious, since it doesn't possess weapons
Blacksun Filter remains the same
Markerlight column is missing the Seeker interaction, but as the special Piranha cannot buy those, it's understandable
Pathfinder team MUST be 6 carbines+ML (including the 'ui), 1 with Ion Rifle, 2 with Rail Rifle and the 3 special drones. They already come with Bonding Knife Ritual
Stealth suit must come with a marker drone, and the 'ui must have the fusion blaster. They already come with Bonding Knife Ritual
Incantation of Elements seems similar to the actual one