New Tau Release: Stormsurge, Ghostkeel, Coldstar, Breachers, Crisis, Tidewall!. Codex coming!

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**vitae_drinker**

derling wrote:
vitae_drinker wrote:
240 for a 10 man pathfinder team and three drones?!? Great googly moogly!

Point Cost-wise,that's only 12 points over a current codex unit of similar build without 2 bonus USRs,and one unique special rule. (Though Ignore Cover purely for Starshroud's Pulse Carbine is only nominally useful)

there is an additional cost in squad build flexibility...but this again seems about right.

Check my math here, just to be on the safe side...

10 Pathfinder w/ Shas'ui & Bonding knives= 130
3 Drones = 58
2 Rail Rifles & 1 Ion = 40
So 12 points (ish) for starshroud on top of that?

I just never played that buffed out of a pathfinder team. Lol

**Medium of Death**

It's really nice to see the commander in a bit more detail.

The Crisis suits are looking great as well. They've really captured the artwork.

pretre wrote:
Medium of Death wrote:
I think I preferred the special edition (plastic cover, broadside and riptide on opposite sides) of the last release.

So if this is an update does that mean that people will still be able to use their Farisght Enclaves books?

As long as the name of the source codex is the same, it should be fine.

Well that's a bit of good news for people that invested in that then.

**SaJeel**

Made a mistake @.@ Still rapid fire, mistranslated tohught it was the rail rifle was sniper I was wrong sorry

**Co'tor Shas**

A sniper with S6 and AP1... Fun! So basically you can never have a worse than 4+ to wound, but you should also be able to get light vehicles as well.

**SaJeel**

I might be mistaken one sec sorry

**Co'tor Shas**

Ah, dammit, that would have been cool.

**Requizen**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Okay regarding the recycled Codex cover, wow that's a new thing

This Codex is officially an updated book - basicall 6.5. Also the Campaign book contais all the new stuff for Tau, so if you have the old Tau Codex you can skip the new Codex and just buy the campaign book - I'm not kidding you. These are Games Workshops words in the item description.

The Tau detachmant is called Hunter Contingent and there are nine formations in the Codex/campaign book.

Where are you getting that info from?

**Dr. Delorean**

Warhams-77 wrote:
The campaign boxes have not much to do with the new two-book Kauyon set This set is going preorder at the same date as the Codex/LE Codex. The description of the Codex says - word for word - If you already own the former Tau Codex the Campaign book will provide all the new rules. But it is pretty vague what that means. Better wait for the final judgement when we know what the english text says about the formations. From the german text only it clearly means ALL the new stuff except the updated fluff, uniform guides and other non-rule information is in the Campaign book set as well.

Sounds a lot like the Edition 3.5 books.

So the campaign book with the updated info is the Kauyon one which goes up for pre-order this Saturday, and -not- the 32pg booklet that accompanies the Burning Dawn box set?

I'm not sure how to feel about this, though being able to keep all the Farsight Enclave stuff is pleasing.

**Warhams-77**

This is all from the german White Dwarf issue leaked in the Gamestrust gallery.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Correct, Dr. Delorean - not in the boxes who went preorder last Saturday

**Kanluwen**

vitae_drinker wrote:
Ah, seems they have a special character in the Pathfinders that may explain the massive difference.

There's not really a huge difference compared to what Pathfinders are now.

A 10 man Pathfinder Squad with a Shas'ui, all three of its unique Drones, an Ion Rifle, 2x Rail Rifles comes in at 218 points. Add Bonding Knife and EMP Grenades you end up at 248 points.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

So the Coldstar and the XV8 suit for the commander kit have different jetpacks. CS with the almost-a-Tetra-thruster and XV8 with the normal XV8 thrusters

**Vector Strike**

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Tau detachmant is called Hunter Contingent and there are nine formations in the Codex/campaign book.

9... doesn't sound to be too many.

Necrons: 8 standalone, 11 within Decurion
Eldar: 8 standalone, 13 within Warhost
Space Marines: 12 standalone and within Gladius Strike Force
Dark Angels: 6 standalone, 8 within Lion's Blade

More than DA, less than the rest

**pretre**

Dr. Delorean wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
The campaign boxes have not much to do with the new two-book Kauyon set This set is going preorder at the same date as the Codex/LE Codex. The description of the Codex says - word for word - If you already own the former Tau Codex the Campaign book will provide all the new rules. But it is pretty vague what that means. Better wait for the final judgement when we know what the english text says about the formations. From the german text only it clearly means ALL the new stuff except the updated fluff, uniform guides and other non-rule information is in the Campaign book set as well.

Sounds a lot like the Edition 3.5 books.

So the campaign book with the updated info is the Kauyon one which goes up for pre-order this Saturday, and -not- the 32pg booklet that accompanies the Burning Dawn box set?

I'm not sure how to feel about this, though being able to keep all the Farsight Enclave stuff is pleasing.

Man, I gave away a copy of the 6th edition codex last weekend.

**Warhams-77**

Really a surprise.

**Requizen**

Vector Strike wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
The Tau detachmant is called Hunter Contingent and there are nine formations in the Codex/campaign book.

9... doesn't sound to be too many.

Necrons: 8 standalone, 11 within Decurion
Eldar: 8 standalone, 13 within Warhost
Space Marines: 12 standalone and within Gladius Strike Force
Dark Angels: 6 standalone, 8 within Lion's Blade

More than DA, less than the rest

The ones you're counting as within the Decurion and Warhost but not as standalone aren't formations, they're just ways to take models within the Detachment. For Necrons, it's Flayed Ones, Deathmarks, and C'Tan. They get nothing except the ability to be part of the Decurion (and the 4+ RP bonus that comes with that). I think it's the same for Eldar and DA as well.

By that, there'll probably be 9 Formations and then the ability to take some non-formation stuff in the Hunter Contingent as well.

**BrokenRecord**

So, let me understand this...

Tau are effectively getting the same treatment that Tyranids did last year (new units, a few bonuses in a campaign book) + a reprinted codex with the new units, some new formations, and new art... but, effectively, no "real" updates?

That can't possibly be right... can it?

**derling**

vitae_drinker wrote:

Check my math here, just to be on the safe side...

10 Pathfinder w/ Shas'ui & Bonding knives= 130
3 Drones = 58
2 Rail Rifles & 1 Ion = 40
So 12 points (ish) for starshroud on top of that?

I just never played that buffed out of a pathfinder team. Lol

That looks like my math. 228 total compared to 240 Aurora team.

Now, I am no way saying such a build is GOOD, but the price Old to New seems acceptable.

**Kanluwen**

BrokenRecord wrote:
So, let me understand this...

Tau are effectively getting the same treatment that Tyranids did last year (new units, a few bonuses in a campaign book) + a reprinted codex with the new units, some new formations, and new art... but, effectively, no "real" updates?

That can't possibly be right... can it?

Can't it?

Tau are a pretty solid book as they stand right now. Why fix what ain't broken?

**Nvs**

Will any of the formations allow for an all suit army? Any indication that such a formation would even be effective?

**BrokenRecord**

Kanluwen wrote:

Tau are a pretty solid book as they stand right now. Why fix what ain't broken?

It just seems like a huge slap in the face to Tau players. The three in my club are pretty much blind with rage at the moment.

**Warhams-77**

No, the rules get updated. The piranha e.g. got BS4 if the stats in the mini-scenario book are correct. There are updates. But these can be found - according to the next White Dwarf - in several sources.

So, do not throw away your current Tau codex. Also the new Codex is using the new Datasheet format like all the books since mid 2014.

**Ghaz**

Vector Strike wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
The Tau detachmant is called Hunter Contingent and there are nine formations in the Codex/campaign book.

9... doesn't sound to be too many.

Necrons: 8 standalone, 11 within Decurion
Eldar: 8 standalone, 13 within Warhost
Space Marines: 12 standalone and within Gladius Strike Force
Dark Angels: 6 standalone, 8 within Lion's Blade

More than DA, less than the rest

Not everything in the Decurion is a formation. Star-God, Flayed Ones and Deathmarks are just units and not formations.

**derling**

Kanluwen wrote:
vitae_drinker wrote:
Ah, seems they have a special character in the Pathfinders that may explain the massive difference.

There's not really a huge difference compared to what Pathfinders are now.

A 10 man Pathfinder Squad with a Shas'ui, all three of its unique Drones, an Ion Rifle, 2x Rail Rifles comes in at 218 points. Add Bonding Knife and EMP Grenades you end up at 248 points.

The Aurora Unit doesn't have EMP grenades, but the Shas'ui upgrade (10pts) brings the total to 228 for a squad currently.

the "Special Unique Rule" Unterstutzungsfeur is actually "Support Fire" so really the Aurora teams has a locked Maxed Pathfinder Unit structure in exchange for:
-12 pts
-Probably Stubborn USR
-Ignore Cover for the Shas'ui's carbine.

Still probably ok? I'd be unlikely to field it...but someone else may dig it.

**BrokenRecord**

Ghaz wrote:
Vector Strike wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
The Tau detachmant is called Hunter Contingent and there are nine formations in the Codex/campaign book.

9... doesn't sound to be too many.

Necrons: 8 standalone, 11 within Decurion
Eldar: 8 standalone, 13 within Warhost
Space Marines: 12 standalone and within Gladius Strike Force
Dark Angels: 6 standalone, 8 within Lion's Blade

More than DA, less than the rest

Not everything in the Decurion is a formation. Star-God, Flayed Ones and Deathmarks are just units and not formations.

Correct, some things are Auxiliary/Command choices, but NOT individual Formations that can be taken independently.

**Requizen**

BrokenRecord wrote:
So, let me understand this...

Tau are effectively getting the same treatment that Tyranids did last year (new units, a few bonuses in a campaign book) + a reprinted codex with the new units, some new formations, and new art... but, effectively, no "real" updates?

That can't possibly be right... can it?

It's like this: The Campaign book is basically a big FAQ. If you have a current codex, any changes to units, models, weapons, special rules, etc will be in the campaign book and you can reference any unchanged models from the original Codex.

Or, you can buy the new Codex and have all of that in one place instead of referencing two books.

**derling**

BrokenRecord wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

Tau are a pretty solid book as they stand right now. Why fix what ain't broken?

It just seems like a huge slap in the face to Tau players. The three in my club are pretty much blind with rage at the moment.

Change is constant. The wise adapt.

**BrokenRecord**

So, you either spend $60 to have the new format dex, but miss out on the campaign, or you spend $90 to have all of the new content, but have to stick with the old format dex?

Suddenly this all makes sense!

**maceria**

Oh my god it happened!

GW finally found a way to get people to pay for FAQs!

**Hulksmash**

Actually seems like a better move for the consumer on GW's part. I mean really all codexes are just minor FAQ's with a bit of new stuff so this time you can either keep the original book and get the campaign book if campaigns matter to you or you can just get the new updated codex. Kinda nice actually compared to how this normally works.

**Warhams-77**

Nvm