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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So much for Burning Dawn's Ethereal being exclusive to that box like the ad said...

Bright side: I might be able to get loads more of Shadow Captain Solaq. Complete Honour Guard here we come!

I wouldn't read too much into that, personally.

The Web Exclusive Space Marine Captains came in blisters. Where are they for sale?

Kind of feeling the need to pick up a Tigershark now that the Barracuda is going.

RIP

TOTALLY UNFOUNDED SPECULATION: the loss of the Barracuda on the FW website is either w website error or FW restocking.

 TheNewBlood wrote:
TOTALLY UNFOUNDED SPECULATION: the loss of the Barracuda on the FW website is either w website error or FW restocking.

Did you see this?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 wyomingfox wrote:
Just noticed that the Tau Barracuda has been removed from the Forge World Website.

apparently it's gone, gone, not just having the mould fixed up

Adeptus Astartes

via a reader on Faeit 212
Tau Barracuda has gone OOP

With regards to the reasons we stop producing a miniature the mould cdeteriation is a factor that is taken into consideration but we tend to see a product discontinued based on sales, the Barracuda whilst a stunning kit did not sell well at all and thus we made the hard decision to remove the line from sale.

As part of our process we often destroy the moulds after a line has been discontinued and a length of time passes for the sake of customer related issues (miscasts etc...) I regret to inform you we no longer have any stock or moulds in order to produce these miniatures any more.

-Aaron

although anything that said by a customer service bod is never the most reliable

Is that unfounded?

I mean somebody else could email FW or call them when they open tomorrow so it seems a bit daft for somebody to lie.

Things disappear from the FW site often. Usually when they are re-tooling the molds. I don't take anything from faet212 as gospel personally. The post about Faet212 above is essentially: I hear from a guy who heard from a guy who TOTALLY got an email.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So much for Burning Dawn's Ethereal being exclusive to that box like the ad said...

Bright side: I might be able to get loads more of Shadow Captain Solaq. Complete Honour Guard here we come!

I wouldn't read too much into that, personally.

The Web Exclusive Space Marine Captains came in blisters. Where are they for sale?

Interesting point. Except that those dudes weren't in a boxed set. The blister was how you received them. The Ethereal is in the boxed set. It would be kinda dumb for him/her to be packed in a blister pack in the box. Then again...GW.

I really hope they do end up releasing all of these special characters separately some day. Why have molds you will never use when you can be making $30+ a pop on a model? I know I want the Terminator Captain from SFU.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As part of our process we often destroy the moulds after a line has been discontinued

IOW, here was the conversation:

GW: the codex Tau flyers aren't selling.
Customers: that's because their rules suck and the Barracuda is the only one worth buying.
GW: FW, stop selling the Barracuda.
GW: And destroy the molds just to be sure!


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maceria wrote:
Things disappear from the FW site often. Usually when they are re-tooling the molds.

Actually mold repair is much less common than stuff simply going OOP. A lot of the Tau stuff they used to make has disappeared because of low sales, so it's not exactly surprising that the Barracuda might as well.

But hey, at least it's a kit the recasters sell, and now you don't have to feel guilty for buying one and saving a bunch of money.

 Peregrine wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As part of our process we often destroy the moulds after a line has been discontinued

IOW, here was the conversation:

GW: the codex Tau flyers aren't selling.
Customers: that's because their rules suck and the Barracuda is the only one worth buying.
GW: FW, stop selling the Barracuda.
GW: And destroy the molds just to be sure!


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maceria wrote:
Things disappear from the FW site often. Usually when they are re-tooling the molds.

Actually mold repair is much less common than stuff simply going OOP. A lot of the Tau stuff they used to make has disappeared because of low sales, so it's not exactly surprising that the Barracuda might as well.

But hey, at least it's a kit the recasters sell, and now you don't have to feel guilty for buying one and saving a bunch of money.

It seems like a terrible time to stop producing it though. "Hey, Tau are getting a bunch of new models, new rules, and updates to old kits! Now is a great time to start Tau! And hey, FW also sells some great Tau kits like the Kroot... Nevermind. Or the Barra-... Right... There's the Taunar! It's new!"

If they were worried about low sales, now would be the time to make a big deal of them, not stop selling them.

 Peregrine wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As part of our process we often destroy the moulds after a line has been discontinued

IOW, here was the conversation:

GW: the codex Tau flyers aren't selling.
Customers: that's because their rules suck and the Barracuda is the only one worth buying.
GW: FW, stop selling the Barracuda.
GW: And destroy the molds just to be sure!

Or... you know.. the big stompy robots in the japanese mecha themed army sell much better than awkward conventional vehicles do. That of course doesn't jive with the opinion of the very vocal minority of forum superfans who bemoan the former and keep asking for the poor-selling latter.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So much for Burning Dawn's Ethereal being exclusive to that box like the ad said...

Bright side: I might be able to get loads more of Shadow Captain Solaq. Complete Honour Guard here we come!

I wouldn't read too much into that, personally.

The Web Exclusive Space Marine Captains came in blisters. Where are they for sale?

Interesting point. Except that those dudes weren't in a boxed set. The blister was how you received them. The Ethereal is in the boxed set. It would be kinda dumb for him/her to be packed in a blister pack in the box. Then again...GW.

I really hope they do end up releasing all of these special characters separately some day. Why have molds you will never use when you can be making $30+ a pop on a model? I know I want the Terminator Captain from SFU.

I understand that, but my point was that these "boxed sets" are normally done in such a way that it is basically just the sprues and instructions.

That just looks like the instructions that a blister pack would get.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So much for Burning Dawn's Ethereal being exclusive to that box like the ad said...

Bright side: I might be able to get loads more of Shadow Captain Solaq. Complete Honour Guard here we come!

I wouldn't read too much into that, personally.

The Web Exclusive Space Marine Captains came in blisters. Where are they for sale?

Interesting point. Except that those dudes weren't in a boxed set. The blister was how you received them. The Ethereal is in the boxed set. It would be kinda dumb for him/her to be packed in a blister pack in the box. Then again...GW.

I really hope they do end up releasing all of these special characters separately some day. Why have molds you will never use when you can be making $30+ a pop on a model? I know I want the Terminator Captain from SFU.

I understand that, but my point was that these "boxed sets" are normally done in such a way that it is basically just the sprues and instructions.

That just looks like the instructions that a blister pack would get.

That really has not been how they have done the instructions in the past, though. Stormclaw had one big booklet. Deathstorm had the normal instructions and a smaller booklet for the exclusives. Then again, this exclusive is different in that there is one, not two.

The blister sized sprues and blister retail display fronts aren't really a great indicator of whether something goes blister or not.

As an example, there was a BA kit that included a stormraven, assault terminators and the librarian. The librarian had a card, and obviously you can buy him separately. But the Assassins box had the 4 assassins, separately, with no retail fronts, but we know those are coming soon separately.

 warboss wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As part of our process we often destroy the moulds after a line has been discontinued

IOW, here was the conversation:

GW: the codex Tau flyers aren't selling.
Customers: that's because their rules suck and the Barracuda is the only one worth buying.
GW: FW, stop selling the Barracuda.
GW: And destroy the molds just to be sure!

Or... you know.. the big stompy robots in the japanese mecha themed army sell much better than awkward conventional vehicles do. That of course doesn't jive with the opinion of the very vocal minority of forum superfans who bemoan the former and keep asking for the poor-selling latter.

It's possible for both to be produced and sold you know. The barracuda is a good model, with good rules, and there is no reason to stop producing it. Heck, if it's really not selling enough to warrant warehouse space, just increase the price and turn it to made-to-order. They'd probebly end up making more money that way, and not have to deal with as many complaints. Having both big stompy robots and cool aircraft in the same army is possible.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

It's possible for both to be produced and sold you know. The barracuda is a good model, with good rules, and there is no reason to stop producing it. Heck, if it's really not selling enough to warrant warehouse space, just increase the price and turn it to made-to-order. They'd probebly end up making more money that way, and not have to deal with as many complaints. Having both big stompy robots and cool aircraft in the same army is possible.

Maybe it didn't sell as much as they wanted because it was too expensive? I find Barracuda one of the coolest models in the entire game, but it's price tag was unjustifiable.

Ultra-niche expensive product doesn't sell well and is binned shocker.

I never bought a barracuda because its a fortune to get the damn thing and one isn't enough

Ultra-niche? Hardly. It's a great model (especially when compared to the codex flyers), has strong (but fair) rules, and is an asset to any tau army. It's pretty much the go-to tau flier.

I'm not big on Forge World models, simply because it's kind-of-sort-of its own company and some people might not even know about it when it comes to more casual play. Though after looking up the Barracuda model it's pretty nice and I'd play it if I could.

Also, when it comes to the whole mech thing, I really like how SC2 did it with Terran, where a good mech army involves mecha suits, air support, ground tanks, and even some bulkier foot sloggers (Marauders specific, which are probably the size of Tau Stealth Suits).

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Ultra-niche? Hardly. It's a great model (especially when compared to the codex flyers), has strong (but fair) rules, and is an asset to any tau army. It's pretty much the go-to tau flier.

There isn't a lot of flyer love these days, though, and most people won't blow the big bucks on a FW model unless it's truly outstanding (like a thunderhawk) or really special for rules.

It's nit hard to imagine that this isn't a popular model .. After all, how many have you seen IRL?

Well, if the Barracuda is in fact being discontinued, it can mean only one thing: PLASTIC GW BARRACUDA!

But since it's OBVIOUSLY not in the new dex, that means a new new codex is on the way.

One can only hope lol.

Quite frankly i wonder if GW actually thought they made a mistake with fliers. I mean, they came in and completely crushed the meta - then poof they vanished. Theyre all overpriced for what they do now, or have ground equivs for the same job that are much more reliable if not cheaper.

I mean, look at the Dakkajet. That thing used to be a menace in the sky, now its kinda "eh" and i dont know anybody that even cares for it. I have FIVE of those damn things, and im kinda pissed how gimped theyve become now a 5man Lobba squad does as much if not more damage the Dakkajet did and almost never goes away unless youre getting tabled

Tau fliers except the Barracuda were always trash. The Remoras were nifty but not good, or bad.

Stormtalons still see play, as do the Croissants and Eldar Wraith plane.

Don't forget about the Eldar Crimson Hunter, the best anti-flyer flyer in the game (and it isn't so bad against armor either). Everyone was giving a big stink about the Crimson Death formation...until people realized it costs 440 points just to field.

maceria wrote:
Well, if the Barracuda is in fact being discontinued, it can mean only one thing: PLASTIC GW BARRACUDA!

But since it's OBVIOUSLY not in the new dex, that means a new new codex is on the way.

I like the way you think! Forge World is just replacing the molds to accommodate increased demand after the Barracuda is included in the codex!

I think that, for the most part, the flyer problem wasn't flyers being broken, it was people not having tools/skills to deal with them. Just like every time a new codex comes out, it's "broken and unbeatable" until people learn how to counter it. With Eldar shaped exceptions, of course.

Technically if GW is bringing the Barracuda into the main codex, they wouldn't have to release new rules if they just copied them from FW and thus wouldn't need a preview in a WD

 Vineheart01 wrote:


Tau fliers except the Barracuda were always trash. The Remoras were nifty but not good, or bad.

I've seen some people use the Remoras at high levels of play, and I can't say their rules are bad exactly, they just seem a little pricey, although not that price with all the nice things they come with.

Remoras are awesome, but you can't use them like F18s or A10s, they're Predator drones.

Bleh, I can't wait for the new codex but I'm dreading finding out if they changed certain units to be better or not.

I mean I have a million ways of giving Stealthsuits a minor buff to make them viable, that are all different, but I feel like they aren't going to be changed simply because they were on the very cusp of playable as is. Then again as far as we know they are in a formation, but that might not be enough even D:

My top choices to make them better though would be either to just make them troop choices, or to let them upgrade all of their weapons to a bigger variety of weapons. As in all three could take Fusion Cannons or Plasma Rifles, instead of one out of three, while the others are stuck with cruddy Burst Cannons.

24hrs - 10 new pages - no new info...

Glad I got a couple of Barracuda's from some nice folks here!

Well, all we do know about stealthsuits so far is that they get a formation with the Ghostkeel. Also, in the campaign book their statline was unchanged if I remember right.

I'm very curious what the formation bonus for that will be.

maceria wrote:
Well, all we do know about stealthsuits so far is that they get a formation with the Ghostkeel. Also, in the campaign book their statline was unchanged if I remember right.

I'm very curious what the formation bonus for that will be.

Do we have people with the campaign book or just general bits and pieces.

Honestly, I don't mind the stat line of the Stealth Suits, even their point cost isn't that bad, it's just their weapon choices and competition that makes them awkward. Their points, weapons, and stats would make sense for a specialized troop choice, more than something that competes with the Swiss army knife known as the Crisis Suit or the power house of the Riptide. In fact, their stock Burst Cannons are about on par with the pulse weapons Fire Warriors wield, except they're tankier at the expense of having shorter range than Pulse Rifles.

Actually, think about it, if you look at SC2, the Fire Warriors are essentially Marines, which are good for more large scale armies, while the Stealth Suits are Marauders, which complement a mech army more. Their function is to basically take on large groups of ground units, while protecting your more expensive units that carry the specialized weapons. Fire Warriors on the other hand put out stronger fire power (more shots), at a longer range, but ultimately are a lot more squishy.