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 Medium of Death wrote:
So these formations will be in the Codex or just the Campaign book?

Also did anybody check up with FW to confirm the death of Barracuda?

In order to play with the all the tau rules you either need the New Codex, or the Old codex +Campaign book
From my understanding

Keep in mind, you won't be able to use FSE formations with the new super formation as the only available formations for it are in the new codex itself.

Thanks for the clarification, guys. I must say, i love it *.*

Makes me wonder what old Farsight is cooking up. I imagine he'll have his own codex and formations and maybe even super formation. I hope he a unique unit of some kind to field and make FSE stand out even more than the TE.

Where does the Tidewall come into the Hunter Cadre? As an auxilliary?

He just got back and is taking more questions. New info time. Someone ask about Darkstrider.

This thread exploded quick. Did he mention any way to play an all suit army?

 Vector Strike wrote:

Backfire wrote:

Caederes wrote:
It's a great rule to be fair. It makes Railgun Hammerheads much better,

No it does not. Unit of 3 Railheads is expensive and cumbersone one-trick pony of an unit. All the tanks problems remain - terrible movement, no synergy with weapons loadouts, crappy wargear etc. Furthermore, they are terribly BORING and static unit and not the way Tau should be played. I don't own 3 Hammerheads so they can sit next to each other and shoot 1 times per turn at same target.

That's not the way YOU want to play Tau. Many players find ok to do gunlines, other rather a mix and some rather full tilt at the enemy.

Units of hammerheads can now fire 3 S8 AP3 blasts/9 S7 AP3 shots or 3 S6 AP4 blasts/3 S10 AP1 - and all at BS5. If taken in an AIC, they even re-roll to hit against enemies. Re-roll with blasts = win. Oh, and if you get them inside a Hunter Contigent, they'll get special rules from other units and at least 2 other units firing in tandem, you'll get +1BS. BS6 Hammerheads aren't too bad, are they?

A bit costly, of course, but better than the previous one.

And I share with you the disappointment with the lack of changes to base kroot, vespid, pathfinders, stealth suits... but now these are past waters. Time to move on and accept what we have now - which isn't bad!

I don't have to, and I won't, "accept" anything. Almost all of the units and playstyles I liked are unviable, and I don't care of what has been added. So yeah, the army remains dead to me.

Iuchiban is back:

Fire Team only affects MCs and Vehicles. No bonuses to drones, nor if you fire together with non-MC/Vehicles

Optimised Stealth ALWAYS hit on rear armour

Stormsurge can buy Shield Generators...at 50 points.

Nvs wrote:
This thread exploded quick. Did he mention any way to play an all suit army?

That's easy. Retaliation, Optimised Stealth, Firebase Support or Heavy Retribution all have only suits.

Special characters are:

- Farsight
- Shadowsun
- Aun'shi
- Aun'va
- Darkstrider (Can joint breachers now, as well as Strike and Pathfinders teams). The -1T to target Works very good with the new Pulse Shotguns.

Rules are the same. No changes

 Kanluwen wrote:
Stormsurge can buy Shield Generators...at 50 points.

Good. Anything less and it would be ridiculous. That's what, 400 points for a superheavy? Compared to the Wraithknight, it's totally fair and balanced.

 Crazyterran wrote:
On another note, I'm excited for Tau players

Don't be, because as it sounds right now we'll never get to play the game again. "Cheesier than Eldar" is certainly not what I fething wanted with a new codex, and all it's going to do is give validation to those people who have refused games against Tau players for the past couple years.

I really hope it isn't as bad as it sounds, though I know it doesn't matter either way; there's still a significant number of people out there that will insist Tau are the most overpowered army in the game, and have been since the day they were released, whether the rules actually back it up or not. But I would prefer it if it were the "UGH, animu in my 40k!" crowd just being annoying and biased instead of proving it with actual game-breaking formations that take all the worst parts about playing against Tau and turn it all up to fething 11, because you really can't just ignore the latter.

50 point Shield Generators is fine by me, it was stupidly underpriced before. 50 points is fair.

Caederes wrote:
50 point Shield Generators is fine by me, it was stupidly underpriced before. 50 points is fair.

25 points for a 4+ invulnerable is overpriced?

Yeah 50 points for the shield with the kind of D shots it can put out is insanely good.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Caederes wrote:
50 point Shield Generators is fine by me, it was stupidly underpriced before. 50 points is fair.

25 points for a 4+ invulnerable is overpriced?

For an 8 wound Toughness 6 Gargantuan Creature? Hell yes! All other armies in the game pay 25 points to give a 4++ to a simple W3 T4 character that doesn't have any of the GMC rules....

Caederes wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Caederes wrote:
50 point Shield Generators is fine by me, it was stupidly underpriced before. 50 points is fair.

25 points for a 4+ invulnerable is overpriced?

For an 8 wound Toughness 6 Gargantuan Creature? Hell yes! All other armies in the game pay 25 points to give a 4++ to a simple W3 T4 character that doesn't have any of the GMC rules....

Ah, I thought you meant the shield generator in general.

Darkstrider and Farsight still exist. The former can joing both kinds of FW.

Both SSs big weapons cannot enjoy Storm of Fire (explicitely noted)

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Caederes wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Caederes wrote:
50 point Shield Generators is fine by me, it was stupidly underpriced before. 50 points is fair.

25 points for a 4+ invulnerable is overpriced?

For an 8 wound Toughness 6 Gargantuan Creature? Hell yes! All other armies in the game pay 25 points to give a 4++ to a simple W3 T4 character that doesn't have any of the GMC rules....

Ah, I thought you meant the shield generator in general.

All good bud.

Vector Strike wrote:Darkstrider and Farsight still exist. The former can joing both kinds of FW.

Both SSs big weapons cannot enjoy Storm of Fire (explicitely noted)

Makes sense, it would be fething stupid if that worked with SoF.


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Longstrike gives Tank Hunters to his Hammerhead squadron...lol!

 Vector Strike wrote:


Optimised Stealth ALWAYS hit on rear armour

Welp, time to put the Leman Russes away :(

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
On another note, I'm excited for Tau players

Don't be, because as it sounds right now we'll never get to play the game again. "Cheesier than Eldar" is certainly not what I fething wanted with a new codex, and all it's going to do is give validation to those people who have refused games against Tau players for the past couple years.

I really hope it isn't as bad as it sounds, though I know it doesn't matter either way; there's still a significant number of people out there that will insist Tau are the most overpowered army in the game, and have been since the day they were released, whether the rules actually back it up or not. But I would prefer it if it were the "UGH, animu in my 40k!" crowd just being annoying and biased instead of proving it with actual game-breaking formations that take all the worst parts about playing against Tau and turn it all up to fething 11, because you really can't just ignore the latter.

Yeah, I sure as heck am not at all excited at this "same as previous Codex but turned to 11" -release. But then, I guess I don't even qualify as a Tau player anymore, I only played about 3 matches with the previous Codex and totally hated it, and so did my opponents.

 Lukash_ wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:


Optimised Stealth ALWAYS hit on rear armour

Welp, time to put the Leman Russes away :(

Looks like running a Gladius just got severely nerfed.

Longstrike is in and with his tank hunter he gives sit to the whole squad.

So if they are an armored interdiction squadron they are Tank Hunter and Twin-Linked.

Longstrike is the same. Now better because of Squadrons and AIC

Are codex pre-orders up tomorrow or is that another week away?

Codex/Suits/Commander up on NZ site

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

Caederes wrote:
50 point Shield Generators is fine by me, it was stupidly underpriced before. 50 points is fair.

25 points for a 4+ invulnerable is overpriced?

It's the same price on everything else that could previously take it, just 50 points on the Stormsurge.

Oh man i never thought about that with hammerhead squads...

3 railheads with tankhunter. Thats just gravy. Wonder if we got a way to give them splitfire/targetlocks lol (since 3 railshots at a rhino is kinda overkill)