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GreyDragoon wrote:

changemod wrote:
What actually dangerous non-superheavy vehicles have higher than 11 rear armour burst cannons that always hit rear armour can't glance to death?

I mean, Land Raiders, sure, but those have very little firepower so who cares about those.

Anything with void shields has ablative 12AV "wounds" you'll have to chew through first. Stompa. Tesseract Vault, Obelisk, the old pyramid, and all of the IG tanks have rear armor 12 or better. Hilariously the Revenant has only 10AV on the back. But let's be fair, you've got bigger problems with a Revenant. Better be going first

Not many then, given you leapt straight to listing superheavies.

Neat.

Now that FBSC doesn't require 3 Broadsides per unit, it's actually a lot more affordable in both $$ and points. Neat.

 Vineheart01 wrote:


Um, how is it useless on crisis/broadsides?

Because if you lose 2 of 3 models, you'll still have 33% of your unit - and not prone to need snakeyes to regroup. Only if you put a Drone there that BKR becomes good for both units.

Same with Riptides now. Ghostkeels will only require that if you get at least one other (I don't remember if he can get it)

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:


Um, how is it useless on crisis/broadsides?

Because if you lose 2 of 3 models, you'll still have 33% of your unit - and not prone to need snakeyes to regroup. Only if you put a Drone there that BKR becomes good for both units.

Same with Riptides now. Ghostkeels will only require that if you get at least one other (I don't remember if he can get it)

Insane heroism only comes into play when you have less than 25% of your starting numbers.

Even with drones, you need 8 models total (3 suits and 5 drones) for it to be possible to be below 25% since you round fractions down.

Someone has pointed out that Aun'Do's Invocation of Elements has been nerfed to only affect "Models" within range, not "Units" within range.

Fail to see why thats useless.

I never field crisis suits without full drones. They die way too easily to S8 sniping without drone blobs, plus gun drones do a lot more damage than people think.

 SinisterSamurai wrote:
Someone has pointed out that Aun'Do's Invocation of Elements has been nerfed to only affect "Models" within range, not "Units" within range.

Its always been models in range, not units. Two of the things he offers in his 12" bubble only need 1 model though (use highest LD, so 1 model at LD10 = whole unit and Stubborn is unit wide)

What I am really waiting for is a full list of vehicle support systems.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Fail to see why thats useless.

I never field crisis suits without full drones. They die way too easily to S8 sniping without drone blobs, plus gun drones do a lot more damage than people think.

 SinisterSamurai wrote:
Someone has pointed out that Aun'Do's Invocation of Elements has been nerfed to only affect "Models" within range, not "Units" within range.

Its always been models in range, not units. Two of the things he offers in his 12" bubble only need 1 model though (use highest LD, so 1 model at LD10 = whole unit and Stubborn is unit wide)

he Eiliereal, and
all friendly non-vehicle models from this codex in units
"ithin 12", benefit from tl1e effects of the elemental power
until the start of the Ethereal's next Movement phase. If the
Ethereal is slain, the elemental power ends immediately

It's badly OCR'd, but that that's a copypasta from the 6E codex. All models in UNITS that are within range...

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Fail to see why thats useless.

I never field crisis suits without full drones. They die way too easily to S8 sniping without drone blobs, plus gun drones do a lot more damage than people think.

Because even with 9 models, you're only going to be below 25% when there's only one model left. At which point the unit is basically dead and useless anyway.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Fail to see why thats useless.

I never field crisis suits without full drones. They die way too easily to S8 sniping without drone blobs, plus gun drones do a lot more damage than people think.

Because even with 9 models, you're only going to be below 25% when there's only one model left. At which point the unit is basically dead and useless anyway.

Unless that one dude is one guardsmen with a grenade launcher who forces back some Wracks by overwatching one of them with a krack round, and then holds his OBJ to score a game winning point.

...Can you point out where it says you round down fractional models?

changemod wrote:
...Can you point out where it says you round down fractional models?

Oops. Just found the wording in 7th and it says round up. Misremembered the rule so 9 models is now under 25% at 2 models. Slightly better but not that great as Crisis Suits and drones are not particularly tough, so 2 models left is still easy to finish off.

Actually, 1/5=20%, and 2/9=22.2%. So it's useful starting at 5 models.

So the spine of the Kauyon book set says 'I', doesn't it?

I can't believe I have to point this out, but your magic number is always 1 more than any number that evenly divides by 4. 5, 9, 13, etc. Always worth it to bump a squad up so you can take 1 more lost model before taking your first Morale check.

Anyway, let's get back on track folks.

Check out the prices on the Kiwi website.

Mother of God they're shocking. As much as I hate to say it, this is the kinda gak that drives people to the recasters!

Warhams-77 wrote:
So the spine of the Kauyon book set says 'I', doesn't it?

Yeah, I was wondering about that, is it both books in set are sold in one package, or two sets?

maceria wrote:
What I am really waiting for is a full list of vehicle support systems.

According to Iuchiban, exact same as in previous codex.

It is both books in one set. I guess the 'I' is there because it is part 1 of the campaign.

Part II with Farsight?


Edit: Found it, numbers were on the spines of the End Times sets (talking about the collector) as well

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources//blogs/2014/10/29/6SIX2HWRRET4266Q6CKO4VZ5XW6Q6QE7/1.jpg

 Vineheart01 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Oh man i never thought about that with hammerhead squads...

3 railheads with tankhunter. Thats just gravy. Wonder if we got a way to give them splitfire/targetlocks lol (since 3 railshots at a rhino is kinda overkill)

I doubt it. That would require thinking about how a squadron of Hammerheads should actually work.

Also, bonding knife ritual stays the same and so is useless on Crisis/Broadside units still. Well done GW.

Um, how is it useless on crisis/broadsides?

Yeah, I really have to question this. I find it very useful if they have drones. You really don't want that many points and that much firepower running off the board because of a few drones.

Warhams-77 wrote:
It is both books in one set. I guess the 'I' is there because it is part 1 of the campaign. EDIT: I remembered it wrong, no numbers on spines before

Part II with Farsight?

Guessing that Part II will probably be called Mont'ka and deal with Farsight is a safe wager.

Warhams-77 wrote:
It is both books in one set. I guess the 'I' is there because it is part 1 of the campaign. EDIT: I remembered it wrong, no numbers on spines before

Part II with Farsight?

Is the Damocles Gulf near the Farsight Enclaves?

Wasn't the second part of the other campaign books focused on the opposing forces?

In case of Sanctus Reach both books focused on Orks plus other factions. Shield of Baal was Tyranids in the first and Flesh Tearers and Necrons in the second if I remember it correctly.

Mont'ka could be it, makes sense

Warhams-77 wrote:
It is both books in one set. I guess the 'I' is there because it is part 1 of the campaign.

Part II with Farsight?


Edit: Found it, numbers were on the spines of the End Times books as well

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources//blogs/2014/10/29/6SIX2HWRRET4266Q6CKO4VZ5XW6Q6QE7/1.jpg

So, there's a chance it could still be Farshight and Shadowsun becoming BFFs while resurrecting Puretide?

Warhams-77 wrote:
In case of Sanctus Reach both books focused on Orks plus other factions. Shield of Baal was Tyranids in the first and Flesh Tearers and Necrons in the second if I remember it correctly.

Mont'Ka could be it, makes sense

Yes I just thought of that after I posted

Kauyon - The Patient Hunter
Mont'ka - The Killing Blow

It does make sense.

Fingers crossed.

EDIT:

I wonder if we are going to see FW units in this?

If there is another book set, it will probably come after the Lizardmen re-release and the HH board game. So in three weeks the earliest. It could also be that there is a Tyranid release connected to it like Adeptus Astartes on FB rumored. But I'm just guessing. Hopefully one of the known rumormongers will chime in with reliable info soon.

Bear in mind
A) That Mont'ka is associated with Farsight as much as Kauyon is associated with Shadowsun.
B) We just got a Farsight novel (http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/LotDM-Farsight)
C) There are rumors of upcoming Farsight datacards.
D) Why not ride the tidalwave of Tau Hype with a little extra Farsight Enclaves hype?

Guessing that Vol II is Mont'ka, and will deal with Farsight, Some Ork formations, and maybe some Astra Militarum, or possibly even Nids. All three were encountered by Farsight, but there are Nid rumors flying around the web, too.

Farsight Enclaves are on the far side of the Damocles Gulf from the Tau Empire.

 Medium of Death wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
In case of Sanctus Reach both books focused on Orks plus other factions. Shield of Baal was Tyranids in the first and Flesh Tearers and Necrons in the second if I remember it correctly.

Mont'Ka could be it, makes sense

Yes I just thought of that after I posted

Kauyon - The Patient Hunter
Mont'ka - The Killing Blow

It does make sense.

Fingers crossed.

EDIT:

I wonder if we are going to see FW units in this?

Nice find. What Sept symbol is that at the bottom?
http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199053_ENGDamoclesKauyonEdition05.jpg

 SinisterSamurai wrote:

Nice find. What Sept symbol is that at the bottom?
http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60040199053_ENGDamoclesKauyonEdition05.jpg

None of the current known ones, so that's probably going to be the symbol of the new damocles sept.