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 Purifier wrote:

Azeroth wrote:
No, they are going to carry Age of Sigmar. The place is Games Plus in Mount Prospect, IL and they've been there over 30 years. They have just about every board/tabletop game you can think of. Their post said that GW discontinued Warhamer Fantasy Battles and that they are going to carry the Age of Sigmar. And to get Warhammer while you could. If they said this, I highly doubt it is a case of them just not carrying fantasy anymore. It probably means that they heard from their distributor that GW has discontinued the line. This could still mean that GW could re-issue the discontinued stuff under the name Age of Sigmar. I'm guessing they are changing the packaging on the entire line to reflect the new name.

I'd say it's a pre-emptive strike by the store. If the new release invalidates models, well, they're not holding a bunch of worthless models on stock that they can't get rid of. If nothing changes but the name, well, the store has managed to get some sales off of people fearing for the worst and they can just replenish stocks.

It's win-win for the store.

I know the guys at the store pretty well and they don't need to lie to make sales. If they say that it has been discontinued, then I believe them. The distributor probably told them what they know - most likely the store tried to order stock and were told it had been discontinued - it probably means that GW has stopped selling the line temporarily while they repackage. GW has been known to pull stock on individual armies right before a new army codex. If even half the rumors are true about this Age of Sigmar, they are probably pulling everything for a re-release and that would include a discontinuation of the old line.

This is a very interesting development. Games+ is one of the oldest and biggest game stores in Illinois (possibly the country?) I'd trust news coming from them more than just about anywhere else. They also have a HUGE GW section and wouldn't do anything to scare away their rather large GW community.

It could still mean that Warhammer is still here just in a new form, or that GW is deliberately sending mixed/vague signals. However, if they're saying something, then I'd bet it's what's coming from GW.

In my local GW store there are no books on the shelves and most of the army boxes are gone from the shelves... all the unit boxes and creatures and characters etc are still in stock,

I wish we knew something coz I really want to paint an army up to be ready for 9th!

I have not played fantasy since 6th ed and the group I used to play with all but disappeared. I have a friend of mine thinking about starting fantasy but I think we are just going to stick with 6th-7th ed. I don't have many 8th ed army books and my FLGS pulled them from their shelves.

I am kinda interested in this Age of Sigmar shenanigans because it might start a group I can play with. But I don't really want to play it if its small skirmish like it appears to be. I have 5000 points of Lizardmen and 4-5000 points of Skaven that I would like to use again.

Lord Corellia wrote:
Yeah, I have pretty basic armies for Empire and Orcs & Goblins that I want to get going but I have no idea what's happening with the entire game. It's frustrating...

I'm in a similar position - I want to get back into fantasy after taking a break. My local gaming group has 8th edition players - but I don't want to jump in with 8th edition stuff until we see what GW are bringing to the table... Its a really difficult time for new and old players alike with so much uncertanity. The big question for me will be which edition (8th or 9th) will be the tournament standard moving forward .....

Hey Gents,

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/age-of-sigmar-latest-just-how-different-is-it.html


Nothing too earth shattering, but its from a narrative of a GW rep to a retailer ; "everything CURRENTLY available" (emphasis mine) will be useable. The article seems to suggest that AoS is the main event, and not AoS as a game and 9th later.

I have to dig it out, but a few days ago i believe that Darnok on warseer (just behind Harry and Hastings in terms of reliability) confirmed that was what he was now hearing too. No bifurcated game. AoS is the main event.


Take with usual pinch to dumptruck full of NACL.

They are actually doing trade shows and cons this year to drive interest in the game.

If true, that's fething astounding. However i fully realize this might just be pre-order bait drumup too.

I guess well see ; just a few weeks away now !

Yeah, all that seems pretty likely to me. I never believed any of the old scare-mongering that half the range would be discontinued, armies like Lizardmen would be gone etc etc. GW may not make as much money from WHFB as they do from 40k, but it's still a source of income and GW aren't just going to abandon that - only rebrand it to make it more appealing and accessible (also why I don't find the cons rumours too shocking) even if they have to irk veteran players in the process.

What I can't get my head round is that GW aren't giving anything away to us gamers - instead they are just letting the rumours fly around and around... Talk about endearing themselves to the customers! They are going to need to cough up some information soon - I mean, people can't seriously be expected to pre-order "age of sigmar" without even knowing *what* it is, and the pre-order date is only a few weeks away....

That's true, but whatever the method they've certainly kept them selves at the tip of everyone's tongue for quite some time now.

It just really baffles me that there will be no info until 1-2 weeks before release.

We're talking about one of the two flagship games for GW. One that is flailing, listing to port and threatening to go under....

And they're only allowing a 1-2 week 'build up'?

I just really don't get this method of marketing.

The fanbase is aware it's coming. They've dropped their 'enigmatic' and pretty 'lame' adverts in WD or on the net....

Yet there is no 'build up' to something that -should- be a fairly monumental release for them - especially if this game is a true departure from the 8 previous editions as it sounds like it will be.

Yeah, but GW has done that for everything, it's not a surprise. They'll hype it up a week in advance, then release all the info when it goes up for pre-order, and expect people to make orders based upon that info.

The marketing for this new release has been awful. GW throw us a freaking bone already

 The Shadow wrote:
Yeah, but GW has done that for everything, it's not a surprise. They'll hype it up a week in advance, then release all the info when it goes up for pre-order, and expect people to make orders based upon that info.

We got those Jervis videos for 7th more than a week out didn't we? I'm hoping to see something like that to give us something to go on here.

 Eldarain wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:
Yeah, but GW has done that for everything, it's not a surprise. They'll hype it up a week in advance, then release all the info when it goes up for pre-order, and expect people to make orders based upon that info.

We got those Jervis videos for 7th more than a week out didn't we? I'm hoping to see something like that to give us something to go on here.

Perhaps, but things were different back then. The secrecy may be a recent trend, it's true, but it's to be expected nowadays.

 The Shadow wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:
Yeah, but GW has done that for everything, it's not a surprise. They'll hype it up a week in advance, then release all the info when it goes up for pre-order, and expect people to make orders based upon that info.

We got those Jervis videos for 7th more than a week out didn't we? I'm hoping to see something like that to give us something to go on here.

Perhaps, but things were different back then. The secrecy may be a recent trend, it's true, but it's to be expected nowadays.

Secrecy was the norm last year too.

Indeed, leading up to 7th Edition, just a week or two before that, BoLS/Natfka were all abuzz how there wasn't even a 7th Edition, just a 6.5. "living ruleset", not to mention a fancy Orks vs. Blood Angels starter box with Ork Terrain, etc.., etc., etc..

Example from April 2014

Launch Window – @September
Rules Summary: Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70
Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
– Assault Marine Squad
– Tactical Marine Squad
– Death Company Squad
– Captain (kitted out for assault)
– Chaplain
– Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)

Orks (plastic quick assembly)
– ‘Ardboys (full mob)
– Nobs (small squad)
– Warboss
– Big Mek
– Ork themed fortification

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically “NOT 7th Edition.”

40K Radio basically made their reputation at that time as quality rumour-mongers, because they stuck to the 7th Edition after 2 years story, while nobody else wanted to believe it.

aronthomas17 wrote:
In my local GW store there are no books on the shelves and most of the army boxes are gone from the shelves... all the unit boxes and creatures and characters etc are still in stock,

I wish we knew something coz I really want to paint an army up to be ready for 9th!

My LGW also has very little in the way of books on the shelves (they are all behind the counter, so you can ask for them)... I would say that roughly half of the armies that have Battalion boxes in production, have them on shelves at this location... Notably speaking, the manager of the store feels the same way I do about my old warhammer army: There's no real point to buying anything BUT the battalion box and building off of that, unless you're wanting one of the "toy" units. The army I'm talking about of course, is Ogre Kingdoms.

I've been in recently, and been picking up some Empire stuff, as they have the look I want to convey in an upcoming DnD campaign for my character (essentially, I'm running a "landsknecht" type soldier as my PC)


I think at this point, with them continually releasing the "big" toy models, like Nagash, that big "M" cavalry thing, the brothers Gott-whatever it is... the Huge rat monster, etc. I can't see them actively pulling stock before at least the pre-order date (which at my store is listed as July 4th.)

 Mort wrote:
It just really baffles me that there will be no info until 1-2 weeks before release.

We're talking about one of the two flagship games for GW. One that is flailing, listing to port and threatening to go under....

And they're only allowing a 1-2 week 'build up'?

I just really don't get this method of marketing.

The fanbase is aware it's coming. They've dropped their 'enigmatic' and pretty 'lame' adverts in WD or on the net....

Yet there is no 'build up' to something that -should- be a fairly monumental release for them - especially if this game is a true departure from the 8 previous editions as it sounds like it will be.

The end times have been the build up. They just seem like a long time ago now that the next step is around the corner.

 Eldarain wrote:

 The Shadow wrote:
Yeah, but GW has done that for everything, it's not a surprise. They'll hype it up a week in advance, then release all the info when it goes up for pre-order, and expect people to make orders based upon that info.

We got those Jervis videos for 7th more than a week out didn't we? I'm hoping to see something like that to give us something to go on here.

Is Jervis still around? I haven't followed the comings and goings of GW employees for quite some time.

When I heard "Age of Sigmar" I assumed they were going to move BACKWARDS in the timeline, to when Sigmar first emerged and bashed the Empire into existence atop a bunch of Chaos Warrior, Undead, and Ork bodies. That could actually be pretty cool. I really hope they don't do some weird after the end/40k crossover thing. That'd be pretty lame, especially when GW writers have already declared that the two games are NOT part of the same verse.

And for the record, I've always found the older fluff to be better written than the newer stuff.

I just popped into my new local GW (I've just moved to a new area) and had a really good chat with the manager. He hasn't been told anything directly yet by head office, but he did seem to think a few of the rumours were certainly possible, based on the dumping of all the army books (in particular the possible new statline which has cropped up in rumours before). GW are certainly not going to ditch any of their currently sold models as the cost to them would be insanely high to the company - and the last thing they want is to lose their existing player base. He had no idea about round or square bases, he joked it could be triangular bases!... I asked him about army books, he guessed that rumours about combined army books (eg a book for the elves) was a strong possibility, but that individual elf factions would still exist, but all their units would exist within a single book (I like this idea!). He also hoped that all of the army books would be released on the day of AoS, or at least within a week or so of release. I found it strange that even GW store managers are kept out of the loop - though he did say there was a big head office meeting this week and the managers would likely be told then what is happening with AoS - maybe more rumours might leak by the end of this week?.... Who knows - though he did say that the total lack of communication about AoS was definitely a marketing plan by GW to drum up people talking about it..... Oh, it was pretty obvious talking to him that Age of Sigmar is definitely the new Warhammer - it isn't a random skirmish game or anything else, it is essentially 9th edition...

 fallinq wrote:
That'd be pretty lame, especially when GW writers have already declared that the two games are NOT part of the same verse.

Remember those parts in the end times books when the Eldar & Draigo showed up? I mean it was explicitly stated it was them... but it was them.

Pepticsalve wrote:
I asked him about army books, he guessed that rumours about combined army books (eg a book for the elves) was a strong possibility, but that individual elf factions would still exist, but all their units would exist within a single book (I like this idea!).

Given the way GW has gone with 40k, I highly doubt they'll combine books. All of the army books/codices that I have on the shelf for both games are roughly the same thickness... To combine upwards of 3 armies into one book, and keep most of the "fluff" would make them too thick, they'd probably have to make them as expensive as, or even more expensive than the BRB.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Pepticsalve wrote:
I asked him about army books, he guessed that rumours about combined army books (eg a book for the elves) was a strong possibility, but that individual elf factions would still exist, but all their units would exist within a single book (I like this idea!).

Given the way GW has gone with 40k, I highly doubt they'll combine books. All of the army books/codices that I have on the shelf for both games are roughly the same thickness... To combine upwards of 3 armies into one book, and keep most of the "fluff" would make them too thick, they'd probably have to make them as expensive as, or even more expensive than the BRB.

Looking at what they've done with 40k, they're more likely to break it into ten billion different dataslates than combine books.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/breaking-age-of-sigmar-pics-details.html
Looks like we get some pictures




Looks like a lot of familiar characters will be back, but not much info beyond that.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
That'd be pretty lame, especially when GW writers have already declared that the two games are NOT part of the same verse.

Remember those parts in the end times books when the Eldar & Draigo showed up? I mean it was explicitly stated it was them... but it was them.

It wasn't them. Only fan speculation says so. The descriptions were pretty unspecific, it could have been a thousand things beside Draigo and Eldar.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
it could have been a thousand things beside Draigo and Eldar.

Yeah, but... it was Draigo.

Nagash? Well, there's every chance that he'll have summoned so many Undead minions to the battlefield that you're going to need a bigger playing area!

Is anyone else reading that part as "you're gonna need more models, bitches!"

Gw shops are getting a copy of AOS this week. They are being told to have it built and painted for release day. If your local gw shop manager is telling you he knows nothing call him out on that. He sure as hell does.....

 namiel wrote:
Gw shops are getting a copy of AOS this week. They are being told to have it built and painted for release day. If your local gw shop manager is telling you he knows nothing call him out on that. He sure as hell does.....

With all the shop painting projects my LGW has, it's a wonder he has any time to run the shop in the first place

The manager in my local GW has said he will be able to tell us all about AoS on the pre-order date, and might even be able to show us a bit of it beforehand. I certainly hope so, I'm not going to blindly pre-order something before I know what it is...! Not long to wait now..

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 namiel wrote:
Gw shops are getting a copy of AOS this week. They are being told to have it built and painted for release day. If your local gw shop manager is telling you he knows nothing call him out on that. He sure as hell does.....

With all the shop painting projects my LGW has, it's a wonder he has any time to run the shop in the first place

im sure the regional managers will place the highest priority on this. I remember when the last starter sets came out guys were taking them home and getting paid overtime to work on them outside of the shops

Well it looks like we finally have some info, from BoLS:

via Steve the Warboss 6-24-2015

Age of Sigmar Contents

1x Empire General on Griffin
5x Knights of Sigmar
10x State Troops with Spears
10x State Troops with Muskets

1x Lord of Khorne on Daemonsteed
5x Chaos Knights
10x Chaos Warriors

-No small rulebook
-Full rules for all models
-Small intro of the fluff (Humans only)
-5 Scenarios to introduce players
-Text is written very childfriendly

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/breaking-age-of-sigmar-box-contents.html

I'm most interested in the price point of this. I don't collect either army but depending on how much it costs I'd be willing to check it out if the sculpts are nice enough to warrant painting.

From what I know that looks about 20% accurate.