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 Redbad wrote:
Sadly because of this age of sigmar, a ton of people are on a buying freeze, and it has been incredibly difficult to move models along.
I'm not in the camp of people who are excited: after all the money I have dumped into 8th.. if my stuff is invalid, I'll be done.

Thanks
Austin

I'm not quite on a buying freeze myself but I'm definitely on a "are they going to cut unit sizes in half in the boxes?" "Do I need to buy my full empire army right now?" "Is my plan for empire going down the tubes?" "Should I buy another 60 stormvermin" "will we ever find out the answers we wants!!!!"

I wouldn't be too upset if there is a big change because I know for a fact that if its small battles and a different system that my flgs will still have 8th battles...he's a lover of the current edition and we have a good community of fantasy players so if the new AoS is shotty or just boring then we will still play 8th edition big battles.

I want to find out soon what is going on tho

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
That'd be pretty lame, especially when GW writers have already declared that the two games are NOT part of the same verse.

Remember those parts in the end times books when the Eldar & Draigo showed up? I mean it was explicitly stated it was them... but it was them.

It wasn't them. Only fan speculation says so. The descriptions were pretty unspecific, it could have been a thousand things beside Draigo and Eldar.

No, it was an abnormally large human "knight", in shining silver armour, who is known by the chaos gods, who is incorruptable (Or at least is able to resist corruption while walking in the middle of corruption), who is cursed to walk the realm of chaos, who radiates purity to the point where the rot doesn't even touch him...

I mean of course they won't come out & SAY it's draigo because the mystery drives conversation & is part of the fun but, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck... but whatever helps you sleep at night

Plus Khaine was a M. Ward production & Draigo is one of his favourite Mary Sues.

Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:

 fallinq wrote:
That'd be pretty lame, especially when GW writers have already declared that the two games are NOT part of the same verse.

Remember those parts in the end times books when the Eldar & Draigo showed up? I mean it was explicitly stated it was them... but it was them.

It wasn't them. Only fan speculation says so. The descriptions were pretty unspecific, it could have been a thousand things beside Draigo and Eldar.

No, it was an abnormally large human "knight", in shining silver armour, who is known by the chaos gods, who is incorruptable (Or at least is able to resist corruption while walking in the middle of corruption), who is cursed to walk the realm of chaos, who radiates purity to the point where the rot doesn't even touch him...

I mean of course they won't come out & SAY it's draigo because the mystery drives conversation & is part of the fun but, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck... but whatever helps you sleep at night

Plus Khaine was a M. Ward production & Draigo is one of his favourite Mary Sues.

And don't forget the Thanquol book, where the Skaven are looting one of the Lizardmen temples in Lustria and come across some communication device where it sounded like someone was speaking a version of Elvish. They are definitely talking about Eldar there, I am positive that they are referring to Draigo in Khaine and the games are definitely in some connected storyline.

If all else fails, the realm of chaos is the connector between the two. With them being in both games, there will always be some sort of connection. Especially now that the Old World is kaput and Sigmar is flying through space as a comet and the Lizards are flying around in their pyrmaids trying to figure out where the heck to go, there is always the possibility for more of these connections to occur between the two games' fluff.

I wonder if The Age of Sigmar will cause The Oldhammer movement to suddenly drastically increase in size.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

They're trying to copy the success of WMH...only without knowing how to write a balanced set of rules it'll just be a mess.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

They're trying to copy the success of WMH...only without knowing how to write a balanced set of rules it'll just be a mess.

Let's play a game of "kill the enemy caster!".

Balance!

Age of Sigmar could be the best thing to happen to Kings of War yet...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

They're trying to copy the success of WMH...only without knowing how to write a balanced set of rules it'll just be a mess.

Let's play a game of "kill the enemy caster!".

Balance!

I don't understand that argument.
If there was one.

The most important units (combat wise) in WarMachine are the WarJacks. These are controlled by comparatively soft and squishy 'casters'. Kill the casters, the WarJacks are pretty much useless.

Thus, "Playing a game of kill the caster."

"I hope their not trying to pull a Warma/Hordes kind of move here" .... LoL you mean like create a good game that's actually balanced with clear and concise rules? Yeah, I hope they don't do that either... And before I get trounced on by GW Fan boys that wouldn't give another system a try if they were handed a free army, just save it. I've played GW games for over 8 years and after making the switch to Warmachine/Hordes as well as Dropzone Commander, its blatantly obvious that what GW puts out in terms of game play and rules is far inferior to that of most other systems today.

Also, "Kill the caster! Balance!" You have obviously never played the game enough to understand exactly what it is your talking about. Any WM player with an ounce of competency wouldn't give you their caster.

On a lighter note... I do really hope that GW puts out a fresh and balanced game/rule set. As far as I see it, Fantasy has been failing for many, many years, and can't go anywhere but up. Lets keep our fingers crossed because I've lost all hope for 40k a long time ago, and have lost pretty much all hope in GW as a gaming company.

 Bad_Sheep37 wrote:
"I hope their not trying to pull a Warma/Hordes kind of move here" .... LoL you mean like create a good game that's actually balanced with clear and concise rules? Yeah, I hope they don't do that either... And before I get trounced on by GW Fan boys that wouldn't give another system a try if they were handed a free army, just save it. I've played GW games for over 8 years and after making the switch to Warmachine/Hordes as well as Dropzone Commander, its blatantly obvious that what GW puts out in terms of game play and rules is far inferior to that of most other systems today.

Also, "Kill the caster! Balance!" You have obviously never played the game enough to understand exactly what it is your talking about. Any WM player with an ounce of competency wouldn't give you their caster.

On a lighter note... I do really hope that GW puts out a fresh and balanced game/rule set. As far as I see it, Fantasy has been failing for many, many years, and can't go anywhere but up. Lets keep our fingers crossed because I've lost all hope for 40k a long time ago, and have lost pretty much all hope in GW as a gaming company.

Fully agreed. That's what I was trying to say, but you said it better.

 Vulcan wrote:
The most important units (combat wise) in WarMachine are the WarJacks. These are controlled by comparatively soft and squishy 'casters'. Kill the casters, the WarJacks are pretty much useless.

Thus, "Playing a game of kill the caster."

Not to go too far off topic but I hate when people give ignorant opinions and this sounds like the opinion of someone who played 2 games, hated it & quit. Especially given how you state "The most important units (combat wise) in WarMachine are the WarJacks." Which is just not true (look at Cryx / Khador). Jacks are heavy hitters sure, but jacks are like tanks. They hit hard but have issues dealing with getting swarmed. Depending on the list you run, you may only have 1 jack & just use it as a screen for infantry. The most important unit combat wise depend entirely upon the caster behind the army.

In scenario play it isn't just kill the caster. That can be a viable strategy but it becomes, control the points/zone & destroy the enemy objective while keeping your caster safe. If you focus too heavy on assassination and ignore objectives your opponent can get an easy 5 points & win. I did it 3 times today.


A WM/H caster is the equivalent of your general AND wizard in fantasy. If I can take out your general AND wizard I have a good chance of beating you. And there are variant rules that say assassination is NOT a victory condition.

Rant over, back on topic

I would like to see a good set of rules but I feel if GW is trying to compete with WM/H on their turf they will lose. PP is a games company that makes models, GW is the opposite. Also there is company philosophy. I mean PP just put out all in one army boxes that are about 60% off msrp BEFORE any online retailer discounts, with the goal of foregoing short term gains to grow a larger more stable player base. GW seems to be doing consistently the opposite & shooting for short term gains.

I want age of Sigmar to do well, I'm just not confident it well. Also I HATE the sigmarite models. I don't want blood angel nipplemarines. Keep 40 krap away from Fantasy.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

They're trying to copy the success of WMH...only without knowing how to write a balanced set of rules it'll just be a mess.

Let's play a game of "kill the enemy caster!".

Balance!

Played WMH/H a few times - not a fan - recently someone at the club wanted to try so we played through a game.

He quite liked - especially as we ignored the stupid no premeasuring except for your control zone rule. I am not keen - much prefer Malifaux, Dropship, 40k 6.5, Dredd, ACTA, and many many others.

Kill the caster to win is annoying but at least they do suggest other scenarios fro when you find that too restrictive.
Lack of customisation / generic hero's is also a bit dull.

I like alot of the fluff but got a bit bored with the "no one important seems to die" element

back on topic - hmm hugely underwhelmed by the new box set - not really stiring me which is a shame as I was quite lookinig forward tos eeing what they had come up with.

I guess it's too much to ask to have one thread on dakka about AoS actually remain on topic about Age of Sigmar.


In another thread (that spiraled way off topic into hyperbole and absolutism too, exactly where this one seems headed...) someone changed the gold on the Warriors of Sigmar to a steel color, and that really made them look a lot cooler to me. I still don't love them, but the models look really high quality for Snap Fit models (which i read somewhere on BOLS they are, and makes sense for a starter). If this is the kind of quality we can look forward to, i'm interested in seeing what they do with elves.

It's hard for me to form an opinion on the Khorne stuff ; its too blurry. That said, bummer its yet more khorne. Would have loved to see some Tzeentch or Slannesh after all the Nurgle / Khorne love.


Also the 4 page pdf of rules being a free download is kinda cool. Also from BOLS, sourced from a german screen cap of the AoS starter.

 Haight wrote:
I guess it's too much to ask to have one thread on dakka about AoS actually remain on topic about Age of Sigmar.


In another thread (that spiraled way off topic into hyperbole and absolutism too, exactly where this one seems headed...) someone changed the gold on the Warriors of Sigmar to a steel color, and that really made them look a lot cooler to me. I still don't love them, but the models look really high quality for Snap Fit models (which i read somewhere on BOLS they are, and makes sense for a starter). If this is the kind of quality we can look forward to, i'm interested in seeing what they do with elves.

It's hard for me to form an opinion on the Khorne stuff ; its too blurry. That said, bummer its yet more khorne. Would have loved to see some Tzeentch or Slannesh after all the Nurgle / Khorne love.


Also the 4 page pdf of rules being a free download is kinda cool. Also from BOLS, sourced from a german screen cap of the AoS starter.

That's just the thing, GW makes some very high quality models, technical wise, but it's the imagination part where they fall flat. These minies are supposed to be something new, but they're just retreading the same ground with no innovation.

 Bad_Sheep37 wrote:
"I hope their not trying to pull a Warma/Hordes kind of move here" .... LoL you mean like create a good game that's actually balanced with clear and concise rules? Yeah, I hope they don't do that either... And before I get trounced on by GW Fan boys that wouldn't give another system a try if they were handed a free army, just save it. I've played GW games for over 8 years and after making the switch to Warmachine/Hordes as well as Dropzone Commander, its blatantly obvious that what GW puts out in terms of game play and rules is far inferior to that of most other systems today.

I should explain abit here... By "not trying to pull a warma/hordes move" I meant combining the games into the possibility of mixing "systems" I would absolutely love to play a game with rules as tight and pretty well balanced, like PP does. Basically, what I'm saying is that, I personally am of the opinion that we shouldn't have a situation where an Ogre Kingdoms army faces off with a Chaos Space Marine army.

My apologies on the some what aggressive response. I assumed wrong based off of the flavor towards Warmahordes in this thread.

I do agree with you, but on the other hand, from a sales perspective, I wouldn't be surprised if they merged the two.

Ok, having seen some WD pics of AoS, I have to say, eh... on the one hand the new range shown is pretty nice, on the other they are look like they stole armor desgins from 40K.

Personally, when I collect Warhammer miniatures，I collect the high fantasy plate armored knights, gambeson-wearing archers, savage orcs, etc.. Now, if GW is to change the entire range of Warhammer Miniatures I'd probably stop collecting them. What looks like BA Sanguinary Guards, to me, looks slightly out-of-place. Then again, I know the whole SG is ancient greek-themed but the entire Warhammer humans (that you get to play as, at any rate) are mid to late medieval themed, despite tanks and stuffs.

Then again, I suppose it doesn't matter to those who would play game just for the sack of playing the game, so may be that's a good idea for GW?

 lcmiracle wrote:


Then again, I suppose it doesn't matter to those who would play game just for the sack of playing the game, so may be that's a good idea for GW?

Except when asked to write tight & balanced rules their excuse is "We are a MODELS company NOT a GAMES company"

 docdoom77 wrote:
My FLGS manager was told by the distributor that this is NOT Fantasy 9th edition, but an entirely different game. For what that's worth.

In fact. It seems to be a totally new game.
Skirmish. Smaller battles.
Does GW try to compete with Warmahordes?

Nonsense.

GW doesn't recognise other model games as competition. There is only THE hobby. Please report to your FLGS for an course on how the hobby is the only hobby.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

They're trying to copy the success of WMH...only without knowing how to write a balanced set of rules it'll just be a mess.

AS if warmahoards is any more balanced. Walked around adepticon warmahoards room, because i was mildly interested in playing. Let me tell you they are more bloodthristy than 40K professional/semi-professional players. They troll meta list like its pure buisness.

and yes GW is trying to pull off a warmahoards move.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
Except when asked to write tight & balanced rules their excuse is "We are a MODELS company NOT a GAMES company"

So you mean to say I might still enter the niche markets with my own company named "Models Workshop", where I write the most terrific game rules, yet, according to the prevailing opinions on the Interwebz, I couldn't produce a model worth even the price of thoroughly-used toilet paper?



As for Age of Sigmar...

I will have a look at the rules before I buy into any of it. I will have a better look at the models. But I might just as well start the game. Or not. It is a free choice. I have found out there is way to little info on the game for me yet, to decide for or against it at this time.

 Rune Stonegrinder wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Ya know... I really hope they aren't trying to pull a "Warma/hordes" kind of move here...

They're trying to copy the success of WMH...only without knowing how to write a balanced set of rules it'll just be a mess.

AS if warmahoards is any more balanced. Walked around adepticon warmahoards room, because i was mildly interested in playing. Let me tell you they are more bloodthristy than 40K professional/semi-professional players. They troll meta list like its pure buisness.

and yes GW is trying to pull off a warmahoards move.

Walks through a bunch of tables playing Warmahordes. Makes wide-sweeping generalizations how it is the same as Warhammer.

Keep in mind A-Con is one of the top tier cut throat tournaments in the country if not the world.

 toasteroven wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The writing is terrible. This sounds like it's been written by a teenager.

I don't know about that. I've known some pretty talented writers who were in their teens.

Chris Paolini doesn't count.

AoS huh?

Figured I'd pop on over to the friendly international webstore and see what the horse has to say... nothing. There is no info there. The site has been reformatted again. Plenty of stuff is TOS, and yeah... no books.

Well then!

Good luck with the IPhammer folks. I'm sure eventually things will even out right? I mean, 7th ed 40k was absolutely worth it right?

Any word on there being discussion of fan made 9th edition warhammer fantasy? Or a topic on the forums? If not I think I'm going to make one.

 darkcloak wrote:

 toasteroven wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The writing is terrible. This sounds like it's been written by a teenager.

I don't know about that. I've known some pretty talented writers who were in their teens.

Chris Paolini doesn't count.

Not quite what I was getting at.

Maybe GW will sign a contract saying that they agree to never set foot on studio property while the game is under production?

Only this time a different reaction will occur and a great product will remain a great product.

Doubtful considering Paolini is a hack anyways...