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I am sure with those tanks and bases there are some unit cards stuffed in there somewhere? I am sure they are high quality laminate because they learned their lesson on RRT and showed regret right?


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I feel a sudden urge to play OGRE, oh, that is the other hex based game.

I regret not buying the ogre ks edition box my store had on sale just for the tiles.

I backed the Ogre KS for the tiles (only).

What a slog that's turned out to be...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I backed the Ogre KS for the tiles (only).

What a slog that's turned out to be...

I thought the tiles were out with the game two years ago?

What's worse about the GHQ repack is that the aircraft come with the fabulous swooshes(tm) that plague all the other RRT aircraft...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
But wait, there's more!

It appears you get an official Robotech round base (or two!) in the pack. Surely the pennies worth of plastic compensates for a sculpted metal whatnot, right?

Ungainly, pointless SWOOSHBASE(TM) or it's just not worth my time.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I backed the Ogre KS for the tiles (only).

What a slog that's turned out to be...

I backed for, what, $100 for the main game. Still the best KS I've gotten a worthwhile product from.

Even if goddamned movers did their best to demolish the box.

I know Ogre was a year late, but people keep making vague assertions to 'things not yet delivered' a couple of years later.

What in particular is still missing? An exacting itemized list, preferably.

I didn't back, but I have seen someones (gigantic, could be used as a bomb shelter) box and even played a game of it.

I don't remember him bitching about missing anything particularly vital to his enjoyment of his mini-couch containing a game.

Are we talking 'promo stickers' or another fething box, or somewhere in between?

SJG promised a lot of stretch goals that are far from being delivered:
- Car Wars Kickstarter (this is a big one)
- Ogre Expansion
- Ogre Miniatures 2nd Edition
- Ogre Scenario Pack
- Ogre Computer Game
- Ogre background music

Basically every SG except the core game and the PDFs.

As an Ogre Minis player, I don't understand what the holdup is on the 2E rulespack, given that they published the hex rules over a year ago...

I've been on a kick to get someone to play Cars Wars with me again - bought a whole slew of stuff back in the 80's that I just got reorganized. And discovered they did an edition that is Hot Wheels sized a few years back (discovered it buying some PDFs at Warehouse 23).

Having played a good bit of X-Wing lately, I'd LOVE to see Car Wars come back using the Flight Path system or reprinted either in Hot Wheels scale or have Classic-sized minis. I know there were old metal minis, but I'd like to see modern, plastic minis (with weapon sprues) made available. 3D terrain to go with it (or at least high-detail, full color maps) would be icing on the cake.

And while I'm waiting for that, I've been building a Hot Wheels scale Thunder Road board game...

So while being dissatisfied with the wave2 no event, is it worth $90 to get the Ogre big box? My local FLGS still has one copy left. That thing is a monster in size. Must buy for the Battletech player?

This is relevant to the thread to demonstrate how money that could have been PB's is going elsewhere.

I've not been following Car Wars that closely, but 3x Hot Wheels scale for 5E give bigger models for convention demos, even though it loses the sense of scale and speed.

I believe SJG is going to do Car Wars a la X-Wing. It's a pretty decent engine for what Car Wars wants to do, but there will be realism tradeoffs, even moreso than classic.

For how Ogre went, "wait and see" is the safest course.


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 Talizvar wrote:
So while being dissatisfied with the wave2 no event, is it worth $90 to get the Ogre big box? My local FLGS still has one copy left. That thing is a monster in size. Must buy for the Battletech player?

This is relevant to the thread to demonstrate how money that could have been PB's is going elsewhere.

Sure! Buy it!

The terrain boards are big and modular (each 1.5" hex is the size of a RRT round base).

During the KS, the boards were a $60 set, so you're getting large counters and rules and stuff for only $30 extra.

I can see the profitability, but, honestly, half the fun of Car Wars was customization.

So, kind of hoping they don't do that. Or maybe something along the lines of regular X-Wing style stuff, but then with Dark Future-esque customizations you can snip in and out or something.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
SJG promised a lot of stretch goals that are far from being delivered:
- Car Wars Kickstarter (this is a big one)
- Ogre Expansion
- Ogre Miniatures 2nd Edition
- Ogre Scenario Pack
- Ogre Computer Game
- Ogre background music

Basically every SG except the core game and the PDFs.

As an Ogre Minis player, I don't understand what the holdup is on the 2E rulespack, given that they published the hex rules over a year ago...

So they had a stretch goal to do another Kickstarter.

And a computer game.

And music.

Are we sure they weren't drunk when they made these?

Some of those aren't 'stretch goals', those are 'entire other products that might happen to tie into this one'.

Damn, that's some 'wild west of Kickstarter' right there.

Frankly, they delivered the game itself, a year late. The expansion and 2E I'll concede, but that's pure shenanigans on a bunch of the other stuff.

Funny that they have stuff that is approaching 3 years late and they don't even have 1/10th the comments despite pulling in the same number of backers.

If they're this far behind on the other stuff, adding more to their plate with another KS seems like the least sensible thing to be annoyed about. "Oh noes, where is my computer game, and why haven't you launched another KS for me to be annoyed about!?"

I guess I'm just not getting it. The Ogre KS has been pointed out a few times over the years about how Ogre is super duper ultra late, but man, that giant box of Ogre proper is pretty swanky. Being annoyed that they don't have a video game up (even respecting that it was an idiotic stretch goal) feels like a reach compared to "delivered 1/3 of the models, the other 2/3's might as well be in Narnia" that this one has.

If they'd delivered half that giant box, I'd could see it. Anyway, thank you for the context, but SJG being idiots with their stretch goals doesn't really seem to have anything to do with this campaign being idiots with their stretch goals in a different way.

 Forar wrote:

Damn, that's some 'wild west of Kickstarter' right there.

Frankly, they delivered the game itself, a year late. The expansion and 2E I'll concede, but that's pure shenanigans on a bunch of the other stuff.

Funny that they have stuff that is approaching 3 years late and they don't even have 1/10th the comments despite pulling in the same number of backers.

I'd say a large part of that is because they delivered the most important lion's share of what they promised (the actual game with all its components) and most of the remaining items are more ancillary and frankly ridiculously amibtious to the point that they never should have been a part of that KS. It would be the equivalent IMO of Palladium giving us all the basic wave 1 and 2 plastic minis last year but leaving the objective markers/tokens, SDF, and maybe the special con/KS exclusive characters for later. If all I was waiting for was that, I wouldn't be half as angry as I am currently. In any case, it looks like SJG is updating that KS a hell of a lot more frequently (although I can't see the contents of those updates as a non-backer).

For those wanted a "car wars" game, easily converted toHot Wheels minis and the flight path movement method, check out Outrider.

I backed the recent kickstarter but the original print n play versiion is still available.

The game comes with preset cars and you simply assign dice to denote skiills - no waiting an hour for someone to design that killer machine - and away you go. Okay combat is really simplified, but as an overall package it is well worth some table time

 warboss wrote:

I'd say a large part of that is because they delivered the most important lion's share of what they promised (the actual game with all its components) and most of the remaining items are more ancillary and frankly ridiculously amibtious to the point that they never should have been a part of that KS. It would be the equivalent IMO of Palladium giving us all the basic wave 1 and 2 plastic minis last year but leaving the objective markers/tokens, SDF, and maybe the special con/KS exclusive characters for later. If all I was waiting for was that, I wouldn't be half as angry as I am currently. In any case, it looks like SJG is updating that KS a hell of a lot more frequently (although I can't see the contents of those updates as a non-backer).

Exactly. I pledged for THE BIG BOX. What I cared about was THE BIG BOX. The rest of it? I really couldn't care less.

A computer game would be nice, but once I had the thing that mattered I stopped caring.

Palladium, being a bunch of jackasses, will never satisfy the majority. They'll never even get the majority to not hate them after this debacle. But if they actually showed some effort toward moving forward (which they haven't) there would likely be a lot less venom in everything.

Same here!

I've no issues with what 'left' on the OGRE KS.

None at all!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
As an Ogre Minis player, I don't understand what the holdup is on the 2E rulespack, given that they published the hex rules over a year ago...

What's the point at this stage? They've (SJG) already made clear they have no intention of supporting the miniatures line, without which any updated mini rules are pretty much useless.

Can't the rules just be 1" = 1 hex, take it from there?

I know I saw more than a few Battletech games like that back in the day, and that was before any miniatures rules came out.

wilycoyote wrote:
For those wanted a "car wars" game, easily converted toHot Wheels minis and the flight path movement method, check out Outrider.

I backed the recent kickstarter but the original print n play versiion is still available.

The game comes with preset cars and you simply assign dice to denote skiills - no waiting an hour for someone to design that killer machine - and away you go. Okay combat is really simplified, but as an overall package it is well worth some table time

That actually was what got me started looking back at Car Wars. Outrider fell too far short of what I wanted (including non-simultaneous movement/planning).

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Can't the rules just be 1" = 1 hex, take it from there?

I know I saw more than a few Battletech games like that back in the day, and that was before any miniatures rules came out.

Well, the thing is that it's not really "one inch is one hex", it's more like "one hex is one inch, give or take half an inch or an inch".

I think you have to have a few more paragraphs than that, just because you end up with all sorts of edge cases, like "tank half-way in forest" that don't come up in the hex version where you're either in the hex or you're not. Or if an Ogre barrels through your hex, you deal with that where ever you are in the hex; but if you translate that to models, is the Ogre now just barreling through whatever it touches or whatever is within 0.X" of it when it moves?

And infantry squad coalescing makes sense in a hex game, but put a line of infantry stands two or three inches wide on the table, and shoot at it with the Ogre. Do they still coalesce, and how do you set the 1" bubbles for that?

Probably most of the questions are easy to answer, but they take time to find and there are probably a lot of cases where it would be better to forsake the obvious mechanical translation for something different.

 Forar wrote:
I guess I'm just not getting it. The Ogre KS has been pointed out a few times over the years about how Ogre is super duper ultra late, but man, that giant box of Ogre proper is pretty swanky. Being annoyed that they don't have a video game up (even respecting that it was an idiotic stretch goal) feels like a reach compared to "delivered 1/3 of the models, the other 2/3's might as well be in Narnia" that this one has.

Narnia, that's a bit close, isn't it?
I had thought that all of wave 2 was complete (After all, it WAS 98% done before the KS ended, right?) but unfortunately was shipped to the USG Ishimura* for delivery to Palladium. And we all know how that ended, don't we?

* Planet cracker ship from the computer game "Dead Space"

the reason that not many are even concerned about the overly long wait of the few KS add-ons SJG has not yet sent is simple, they are not PB, SJG's knows how to promote product, they get out there and promote product and give away items promoting their product, PB well all they promote is Kevin and that's it, PB is ran by an egomaniac who suffers from Narcissism, and they are all about promoting Kevin, their product they leave up to their legion of CoKS (Cult of Kevin Siembieda), who lets face it are RPGers and not miniature table top wargamers, so here we have a product line that is suffering on multi levels from:

1: lack of PB support,
2: lack of PB promotions,
3: fiddly bits,
4: tabletop war game rules written as an RPG or more RPG friendly then tabletop war gamer friendly,
5: miniatures you need a lot of time and patience and extra pieces to assemble
6: lack of players, lets face it the above reason has left a lack of people wanting to play this game, and yet I can find an Ogre player or a Munchkin player or a Car Wars player, or even a G.U.R.P.S. player. yet cannot find a PB game player. in these parts.

I am convinced now, I will buy the big monster OGRE box.

Love of SJG is far more rewarding than PB:KS.

I think I will have to open up the Ping-Pong table to play though.

 Talizvar wrote:
I am convinced now, I will buy the big monster OGRE box.

Love of SJG is far more rewarding than PB:KS.

I think I will have to open up the Ping-Pong table to play though.

I have zero interest in OGRE (tried the rules twice over the past two decades... didn't like it either time) and I have almost no interest in tile based board/mini game hybrids and even I considered getting the box just in case I ever had a use for the tiles. It's that good of a value for the KS version box. You'll be able to decorate an entire office building floor's worth of cubicles with the little punch out vehicles on top of it as well.

I bought and have already sold the big box OGRE. I played it once, not even the copy I bought, at my LGS and immediately regretted the purchase.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 stanman wrote:
A pic of the GHQ-now-for-Robotech tanks?

How exciting. Generic tanks that were already available at a lower price with a different blister backing.

That paper insert was VERY expensive. It needs to cover the cost of a lot of idiocy.

GHQ is just about to raise prices across the board, so the palladium quotes ones may turn out to be the new standard (or even cheaper than them if it was a palladium mark up)

http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5334&sid=bf5ca9a1299931e6b74801b84f5b62b6

What 1/48 scales up like Perfect for skirmish scale, down side is the kits would be insanely expensive.





The royal command torso, full model is around 9 inches tall.

OOOOhh!

'scuze me while I pick my chin up off the floor.

I would ask who we had to kill to get these kinds of models, but I think we know the answer to that.

Is this something from shapeways, model kits or otherwise 3D printed or what?

More excellent stuff from the guy palladium rejected.