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Off topic, was the MAC ever actually used in the cartoon? I don't remember...

Raven911 wrote:
Off topic, was the MAC ever actually used in the cartoon? I don't remember...

yes several times in the Daedalus maneuver and on the mars incident.

Also shown during the battle with Dolza's fleet, and Khyron rides one as a malcontent.

Merijeek wrote:I can see the profitability, but, honestly, half the fun of Car Wars was customization.

Yup, much of Classic Car Wars was about car building, much like 40k list building. But creep and bloat kinda got a little out of control when they decided they needed boats, planes, hovercraft and tanks...

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Forar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
SJG promised a lot of stretch goals that are far from being delivered:
- Car Wars Kickstarter (this is a big one)

As an Ogre Minis player, I don't understand what the holdup is on the 2E rulespack, given that they published the hex rules over a year ago...

So they had a stretch goal to do another Kickstarter. And a computer game.And music. Are we sure they weren't drunk when they made these?

Frankly, they delivered the game itself, a year late. The expansion and 2E I'll concede, but that's pure shenanigans on a bunch of the other stuff.

Funny that they have stuff that is approaching 3 years late and they don't even have 1/10th the comments despite pulling in the same number of backers.

If they'd delivered half that giant box, I'd could see it. Anyway, thank you for the context, but SJG being idiots with their stretch goals doesn't really seem to have anything to do with this campaign being idiots with their stretch goals in a different way.

I'm pretty sure SJG had lost their minds when they announced those SGs - there was clearly no concept as to how to deliver any of this at the time the KS closed. It was obvious that Steve Jackson had put basically zero thought into Ogre prior to the campaign, and hadn't played it in years. They literally sold backers a bill of goods.

The Car Wars SG is a big deal, because SJG said that the CW KS was dependent upon the success of the Ogre SG, and requested CW money and rewards to demonstrate interest and viability of CW KS.

Most Ogre backers have largely given up on SJG fulfilling the remaining SGs, which is why it's so quiet.

It depends on why one backed. If you backed for Miniatures tiles and Miniatures 2E, as I did, then you would be miffed as to the direction of Ogre. SJG had a chance to convert Ogre into a modern Minis board game with plastic stuff, and they blew it.
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wilycoyote wrote:The game comes with preset cars and you simply assign dice to denote skiills - no waiting an hour for someone to design that killer machine - and away you go.

People are supposed to prebuild their Cars, or play the generic junk.
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mdauben wrote:What's the point at this stage? They've (SJG) already made clear they have no intention of supporting the miniatures line, without which any updated mini rules are pretty much useless.

The point is to keep one's word, no more, no less.
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Merijeek wrote:Can't the rules just be 1" = 1 hex, take it from there?

That would be a bad scale, too small. The hexes themselves are 1.5", while 2" is what the old rules said.



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 paulson games wrote:
I These are pretty tame compared to some of the high end gundam stuff, omg are those expensive.

Nah. For me, high end is Five Star Stories.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
I These are pretty tame compared to some of the high end gundam stuff, omg are those expensive.

Nah. For me, high end is Five Star Stories.

I looked at this:
http://www.gundamplanet.com/ims-1-100-06-l-e-d-mirage-v3-inferno-napalm.html
Now I have to see this anime.
I have been building models since I was 8 years old... (yikes, 37 years) when I see this kit I think "challenge accepted".
Thanks for mentioning this John.
Over some 800 parts, oh yeah.
Probably the various rubber sleeves and things, always nice if some metal is in there, see if magnets buried inside might help with cutaway or mounting parts.
Models like this are like a good novel, the journey is as important as the outcome.
At least now my brother cannot sneak-in and take it to be shot-up by a pellet-gun.

Funny though, how putting together a single model of 800 parts is FINE while 20 odd parts for tabletop miniatures burns my butt.
I guess it is the different purposes of these models decides what is good or not (naw, it is the comparative quality and detail of them).

From my perspective, it's definitely about the purpose and context is key.

800 pieces for a high end display piece that will be lovingly built into something that proudly sits on a shelf is one thing.

20+ pieces for one of 50 models that is needed to play even a baseline game is something else.

The model being finished is the journey and the goal. The 'game pieces' being finished is X hours spent just leading up to being able to vaguely begin playing the game (standees and proxies not withstanding).

That said I have never gotten into Gundam. Buddies in school tried to get me into it and it always seemed to exemplify what I loathed about a lot of popular anime at the time. 'omg woah!' action sequences broken up by 16 year olds smugly monologuing about their superiority.

 Forar wrote:
That said I have never gotten into Gundam. Buddies in school tried to get me into it and it always seemed to exemplify what I loathed about a lot of popular anime at the time. 'omg woah!' action sequences broken up by 16 year olds smugly monologuing about their superiority.

You might need to try anything from Gundam that it's not related to Gundam Wing, maybe

I'm particularly fond of the UC, and IMHO most of the greatest Gundam stories are there.

Does it have windmill Gundams?

Because I like a lot of silly gak, but that's a dealbreaker.

 Talizvar wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
I These are pretty tame compared to some of the high end gundam stuff, omg are those expensive.

Nah. For me, high end is Five Star Stories.

I looked at this:
http://www.gundamplanet.com/ims-1-100-06-l-e-d-mirage-v3-inferno-napalm.html
Now I have to see this anime.
I have been building models since I was 8 years old... (yikes, 37 years) when I see this kit I think "challenge accepted".
Thanks for mentioning this John.
Over some 800 parts, oh yeah.
Probably the various rubber sleeves and things, always nice if some metal is in there, see if magnets buried inside might help with cutaway or mounting parts.
Models like this are like a good novel, the journey is as important as the outcome.
At least now my brother cannot sneak-in and take it to be shot-up by a pellet-gun.

Funny though, how putting together a single model of 800 parts is FINE while 20 odd parts for tabletop miniatures burns my butt.
I guess it is the different purposes of these models decides what is good or not (naw, it is the comparative quality and detail of them).

Digressing for a moment, Mamoru Nagano's Five Star Stories has a single OVA anime, based on over a quarter century of manga. The manga is/was published in NewType magazine for many years, and collected into volumes. In addition, there are art books and model books. FSS consistently has the most impressive and highly-detailed mecha designs (Nagano does a lot of art & fashion work).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Star_Stories

The LED Mirage kit you selected (with flame launcher) is kind of the poster child for the series - good choice! The mecha has been redesigned a few times to fit with evolving mecha styles, but it's something he loves. It'll be a great kit.

You can also search FSS kits on Hobbylink Japan (hlj.com). The selection is down from the heyday, but still good stuff.

These FSS kits will be far more impressive than a little RRT tabletop guy (see, I brought it back ). Though having just assembled an Eldar Wraithknight, that kit does look good. Not as good as a FSS kit, but still very good.


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 Forar wrote:
Does it have windmill Gundams?

Because I like a lot of silly gak, but that's a dealbreaker.

Just avoid G Gundam and Gundam Wing, and you'll be fine.

Stick with the Universal Century UC stuff. I particularly like the Zeon / Neo-Zeon units like the Sazabi and Kampfer from War in the Pocket:


or Full Armor ZZ Gundam (FAZZ):

The grab bag has apparently been extended just like every other grab bag at the last minute. All those "hurry, get your stuff now!" updates as usual were just smoke and mirrors (or jazz hands in forar's parlance).

Also, for those who missed it, GW's Forgeworld subsidiary posted preview pics of what looks to be a Robotech MAC II styled mecha for the Gundam styled Tau faction. I suspect gamers will see this model envisioned, sculpted, prototyped, and put to market in 2015 before the much smaller 2013 Robotech one that likely inspired it.

Timeline until someone at PB "regretfully moves on to bigger and better (yet highly nonspecific) things" ?

Merijeek wrote:
Timeline until someone at PB "regretfully moves on to bigger and better (yet highly nonspecific) things" ?

Now is that the "distracted by something shiny" moving on, or the Kevin's "latest evil (disposable Kleenex) employee of the month that "took advantage of his kind nature""?

BTW on the topic of that BIG Tau model:
I find the armaments near the legs with the twin missile launchers and rotary guns on both sides really funny:
"Yes, we take the garbage hordes at our feet seriously as well, they too are factored into the plans of the greater good."

On the topic of Gundam:
I really could not bring myself to follow it much due to the huge volume of it even though it is about big stomping robots.
Forar: For the young folk confidence is everything. Usually in those shows they come across some old experienced type that makes them sweat but youth wins every time!

RRT
PB I know you are out there.
I can hear you breathing.
Wave2... it is inconceivable and indescribable the amount of smack-down I am imagining for delaying my man-toys in perpetuity.

Merijeek wrote:
Timeline until someone at PB "regretfully moves on to bigger and better (yet highly nonspecific) things" ?

That would require honesty about the present situation so it'll never happen. Palladium is only capable of admitting their "mistakes" of trusting others or trying to give fans too much long after the obvious failure is known to all but fanfriends. They won't and never have been able to admit publicly to putting a project on the way back burner. It's the reason why they're burning the midnight oil to put out SOMETHING new for gencon with a robotech rpg book that was supposed to come out over five years ago and was just a few weeks away from being done back in 2013 when they were just awaiting some final art supposedly. That is what we have to look forward to with wave 2, not a brutally honest admission finally that they don't give a rat's ass about us which would leave them open to liability.


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 Talizvar wrote:

BTW on the topic of that BIG Tau model:
I find the armaments near the legs with the twin missile launchers and rotary guns on both sides really funny:
"Yes, we take the garbage hordes at our feet seriously as well, they too are factored into the plans of the greater good."

Cleaning ork out from between mecha toes is a pain. Those green stains almost never come out completely. Luckily the earth caste has found a solution....moar pew pew.

 warboss wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
Timeline until someone at PB "regretfully moves on to bigger and better (yet highly nonspecific) things" ?

That would require honesty about the present situation so it'll never happen. Palladium is only capable of admitting their "mistakes" of trusting others or trying to give fans too much long after the obvious failure is known to all but fanfriends. They won't and never have been able to admit publicly to putting a project on the way back burner. It's the reason why they're burning the midnight oil to put out SOMETHING new for gencon with a robotech rpg book that was supposed to come out over five years ago and was just a few weeks away from being done back in 2013 when they were just awaiting some final art supposedly. That is what we have to look forward to with wave 2, not a brutally honest admission finally that they don't give a rat's ass about us which would leave them open to liability.

Oh, sure, being delusional is both their passion, and their reason for existing.

But eventually they aren't going to have the money to keep paying their six or so employees. Will Kevin save money by getting rid of his many relatives who work in a grunt capacity? Or will it be someone like Wayne "Holy hell I'm useless" Smith, who is the second most visible person at the company?

 warboss wrote:
Also, for those who missed it, GW's Forgeworld subsidiary posted preview pics of what looks to be a Robotech MAC II styled mecha for the Gundam styled Tau faction. I suspect gamers will see this model envisioned, sculpted, prototyped, and put to market in 2015 before the much smaller 2013 Robotech one that likely inspired it.

Yeah, it's a very strange conincidence.

To be fair, I suspect the FW Tau Monster will cost substantially more than what I paid for the RRT MAC II ($40). The biggest FW Tau battlesuit is 72 GBP, (~$100 USD). This thing is going to cost easily $200 USD, maybe 200+ GBP.

It'll definitely cost more but it is also a hell of alot bigger than the robotech MACII. That base is bigger than the blast template of robotech and the model is somewhere between a knight and a warhound titan in total bulk so it'll definitely be at least $200. My point was to show off a cool (IMO) design that is complicated yet was started long after Palladium's kickstarter and will likely end up arriving before wave 2.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
To be fair, I suspect the FW Tau Monster will cost substantially more than what I paid for the RRT MAC II ($40). The biggest FW Tau battlesuit is 72 GBP, (~$100 USD). This thing is going to cost easily $200 USD, maybe 200+ GBP.

On the other side of that coin, this thing is reputed to be in the 7-9 inch tall range, whereas the MAC's in the 3-4 inch tall range if I'm gauging the prototype against the Phalanx accurately. A similar comparison model in the Forgeworld line (Cerastus Knight), is ~$260US. And while backers may have been able to get their MAC's for $40, there is no way in heck that's gonna be close to the MSRP. Straight up conversion of Wave 1 boxes, to current pricing of those same boxes, puts the MACII at $70+US MSRP.

So, $70US vs $300US for the Tau thingy (assuming a bigger markup over the Cerastus), for something that's more than twice as tall (taking the cube rule for volume into account), then no, the Tau thing isn't horribly priced. Which for GW is about as close to "reasonably priced" as you can get.

Plus there's faith this thing will exist in the foreseeable future.

No such assumption can be made regarding MAC-II's from Palladium.

So MAC-II's can be $2 and they're still not as comparing favourably, because if I'm imagining my figures, I don't need to pay anything, and MAC-II's remain firmly imaginary until that exhaustive Wave Two update hits.

Any day now.

Any.

Day.

*jazzhands* (speaking of which, appreciate the shoutout, Warboss)

Indeed, something about a bird in the hand sounds true even if it is a much more expensive and bigger turkey. And you're welcome!

Asterios wrote:
I like how they say they are still working on the marines book and haven't even done much work on the con minis (only one) and yet expect them at GenCon here in 3 weeks, this disaster should be fun to watch.

I like how Kevin's still writing stuff for the book and they expect to have it PRINTED next Friday. Shows you how much editing they bother to do for their stuff.

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On the Tau, I might have to remortgage so I can buy one of those things.

 Stormonu wrote:

Asterios wrote:
I like how they say they are still working on the marines book and haven't even done much work on the con minis (only one) and yet expect them at GenCon here in 3 weeks, this disaster should be fun to watch.

I like how Kevin's still writing stuff for the book and they expect to have it PRINTED next Friday. Shows you how much editing they bother to do for their stuff.
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It's sadly always like they. They finish writing a section and it goes straight ot editing to layout then straight to the printer for Rifts books that require no "approval" beyond Kevin. The books are put together just like they feel... like a last minute slap dash term paper that is started the night before it is due. There is no playtesting... there is no second draft or night to think upon it... the first pass is the only draft except for the occasional typo correction. Palladium has somehow survived for the decades running the business like a stoner trying to squeak through college.

 Stormonu wrote:
I like how Kevin's still writing stuff for the book and they expect to have it PRINTED next Friday. Shows you how much editing they bother to do for their stuff.

Next Friday? Why rush? They've got two weeks from next Wednesday. It's not like leaving things until the last minute has ever bit them in the donkey before.

 warboss wrote:
It's sadly always like they. They finish writing a section and it goes straight ot editing to layout then straight to the printer for Rifts books that require no "approval" beyond Kevin. The books are put together just like they feel... like a last minute slap dash term paper that is started the night before it is due. There is no playtesting... there is no second draft or night to think upon it... the first pass is the only draft except for the occasional typo correction. Palladium has somehow survived for the decades running the business like a stoner trying to squeak through college.

Maybe this is off topic but Toynami is releasing 1/100 scale Robotech stuff:

Pics here: http://news.toyark.com/2015/07/09/sdcc-2015-toynami-robotech-165866

That 1/100 stuff looks good, but it's a bit spendy. Not sure I should bite on it.

A super detailed version of the Sazabi which is my all time favorite Gundam Mech. (Char's Counter Attack is also my favorite series as I tend to dislike all the newer series)

A seriously insane amount of detail on it. I only wish that they'd do something like this for Macross/Robotech.







http://www.gunjap.net/site/?p=254477

Maybe we should change this thread to "Macross/Robotech models suitable for use with RRT?"

Things RRT only wishes it were

BTW, normally I don't like deformables, but that toynami battlepod & tomahawk are just too cute to pass up on.

If RRT switches scale to make giant VF-1s, that would be possible. Except Hasegawa already did the superdetail of the Fighter, and people have converted that to superdetailed Gerwalk. Would be nice to have a proper superdetailed Guardian.

Love that Sazabi, too. Very nice!