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Man after reading all this I am glad I did not kick this. I was so close to dropping a couple hundred and had my finger hovering over the button.

I really would like to see this completed, I am still a big fan of Robotech.

I regret that I gave PB $80 when I did. I should have just bought a higher-end MAC-II model kit or big Valk toy and called it a day.

darkminstrel wrote:

Asterios wrote:
thats my case DarkMinstral

*ahem*

No it isn't!

Hey!

No 'facepalming' allowed after you edited it - it *was* his to begin with!

Asterios wrote:ahhh you changed it

ooh Kevin better be careful since he is skating the dge of breaking certain Michigan state laws.

in fact hope he gives that excuse to the Michigan States AG or my AG even.

Glad I wasn't imagining that!

 Vash108 wrote:
Man after reading all this I am glad I did not kick this. I was so close to dropping a couple hundred and had my finger hovering over the button.

I really would like to see this completed, I am still a big fan of Robotech.

I too only *just* dodged this particular bullet too.

I am a fan of the genre and scale, but I was always more into the Giant Robots vs. Alien Invaders Who Also Have Giant Robots genre - Getter Robo, Gaiking, Grendizer, etc.

I was hoping this one would give me a solid base to work from in terms of that type of gaming in this scale.

I somehow resisted pledging.

Probably due to some other Kickstarter (that is now also really late) catching my eye...?

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
Man after reading all this I am glad I did not kick this. I was so close to dropping a couple hundred and had my finger hovering over the button.

I really would like to see this completed, I am still a big fan of Robotech.

I too only *just* dodged this particular bullet too.

I am a fan of the genre and scale, but I was always more into the Giant Robots vs. Alien Invaders Who Also Have Giant Robots genre - Getter Robo, Gaiking, Grendizer, etc.

I was hoping this one would give me a solid base to work from in terms of that type of gaming in this scale.

I somehow resisted pledging.

Probably due to some other Kickstarter (that is now also really late) catching my eye...?

I also kicked that other one, that comes in a nice big black box, which is also late.

I loved the Giant Robot genre as I grew up in the 80's. Voltron, Gundam, Robotech and Tranzor Z (Mazinger Z in Japan).

 Vash108 wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

I too only *just* dodged this particular bullet too.

I somehow resisted pledging.

Probably due to some other Kickstarter (that is now also really late) catching my eye...?

I also kicked that other one, that comes in a nice big black box, which is also late.

I loved the Giant Robot genre as I grew up in the 80's. Voltron, Gundam, Robotech and Tranzor Z (Mazinger Z in Japan).

KD:M is over 2 years late, but it is delivering, and it is looking awesome. The Rule of Cool applies, assuming you get your stuff!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I should have just bought a higher-end MAC-II model kit or big Valk toy and called it a day.

I had previously acquired a trio of Monsters prior to the RRT kickstarter. I was using MW-AoD rules and using N scale gashopons so the N scale plastic and N scale resin MACs I had were perfect. The scale isn't right for RRT, but I've got at least something to use when playing the game.

Here's my response from the bbb. I have yet to send a letter to the AG but that will soon Follow

There sure is a lot of COPYPASTA going on there...

uh oh things getting ugly now.

How does this all work for Canadians I wonder?
I want some of this action to at least irritate PB into looking the facts up and wasting Kevin's time with a signature.

I can assure you all the letter will make the claim "exaggeration" a little harder to state.
The improvements will be made on the backs of those who came before me of course!

There's a tread over on the PB boards discussing this. Do you guys think their mods would allow links to all three documents?


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Oops forgot to post link.


http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=149082&p=2878830#p2878830

 Cypher-xv wrote:
There's a tread over on the PB boards discussing this. Do you guys think their mods would allow links to all three documents?

Rather than pretend they do not exist?
I am sure a suitable ban-ishment will be meted out.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
There's a tread over on the PB boards discussing this. Do you guys think their mods would allow links to all three documents?


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Oops forgot to post link.


http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=97&t=149082&p=2878830#p2878830

hmm just checked out that topic and don't see it lasting to long.

but will say this if Kevin doesn't do anything this is going to snowball out of control and he may be facing lots of court time. (not from lawsuits but from AG's of various states and such.

Asterios wrote:
Hmm just checked out that topic

"Just checked out that topic"? :-P

You were the first person to reply to that thread.

>.<

 Forar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
Hmm just checked out that topic

"Just checked out that topic"? :-P

You were the first person to reply to that thread.

>.<

not me but a buddy of mine in Texas who was one of the ones who got me in this project, as to me I was banned a wee bit ago.

and yes we both use the name Asterios on various forums, its an inside joke and such.

PS: evidently you were not the only one, he just told me he got banned from forums as a duplicate of my account and he can't even see the forums cause his IP was blocked.

So would I be a bad person and had "properly" filled out a BBB complaint form and submitted it?
Let the giggles begin.
I am rather proud of myself, I found a "reasonable" way to draw the line of where I want my money to come out that is... fair.
Will be of interest to see the response.
I think then, if it is a big "no", then I go for credit card refund.
At least the BBB complaint will explain things a wee bit better to them.
I see the shining path before me... preferably without litigation but getting my money... to a point.

On the outside chance that a small miracle happens and wave 2 ships, it may be mistakenly shipped to Australia or have spit in it.
I did not bother to try to claim any portion of the "rewards" just the added kits ordered after being funded.
It seemed like a logical divide and distances the "funding the project" argument.
Will let you know how it goes.

So that's what now, four BBB filings?

Does the BBB have any sort of actual ability to do anything?

Anyone want to place odds on there being some kind of passive/aggressive response in the next PBWU about wishing they could give the backers more information, but they've had to spend time dealing with "frivilous legal matters" or some such?

While it seems the last couple of BBB responses have been mostly cut and paste (SHOCKER!), there's still checking the database, the math calculations (of how much was sent, how much was owed) and signature. Given the rate at which PB tend to work, those three requests are probably a pretty big chunk of Kevin's day.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Does the BBB have any sort of actual ability to do anything?

They are probably the only organization on the planet with less muscle than the FEC.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Does the BBB have any sort of actual ability to do anything?

no, filing with the BBB is a sort of check on a list to show evidence all avenues opened up to me have been done to reconcile this matter, just like I asked PB for a refund and so forth.

Morgan Vening wrote:
Anyone want to place odds on there being some kind of passive/aggressive response in the next PBWU about wishing they could give the backers more information, but they've had to spend time dealing with "frivilous legal matters" or some such?

While it seems the last couple of BBB responses have been mostly cut and paste (SHOCKER!), there's still checking the database, the math calculations (of how much was sent, how much was owed) and signature. Given the rate at which PB tend to work, those three requests are probably a pretty big chunk of Kevin's day.

Day? don't you mean week

The only question is if Kevin will be the Poor Poor Victim or The Stalwart Defender of All Good and Right.

Clearly the answer is both.


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And a quick followup... just got the weekly update. Just to save anyone here the trouble, not a mention of wave 2.

Well, don't keep us all in suspense, X-post it!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Well, don't keep us all in suspense, X-post it!

Any time it is sent out via email, it's posted to the very front of their website.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=800:palladium-booksr-weekly-update-august-20-2015&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

Excitement!... oh, wait, nevermind...
Wave 2! Where are you??

 Cyporiean wrote:
Does the BBB have any sort of actual ability to do anything?

The BBB doesn't have any authority or investigative power, they just pass the complaint to PB and the response to the consumer.
The real reason to file a BBB complaint is that regulatory bodies do monitor BBB complaints to determine their actions.

The reply from Palladium is clearly an internet fake.

How do I know? there is not a single mention of the crisis of treachery, nor are there any © or ™ symbols, nor any hint of unicorn rainbow farts. Therefore it cannot have possibly have been written by Kevin and the letter is in fact a poorly constructed fraud.

Closing thoughts

Man oh man, we are working on so many different things. In addition to Robotech® RPG Tactics™ materials, there are several new Rifts® and Splicers® titles in the works as well as several other things and some surprises. Our imaginations are on fire and we are motived to get all kinds of products into your hands. Good stuff is coming this Fall.

They're working on so many different things? But have nothing to show for Robotech? Yet it's magically coming this Fall (Sep 23 to Dec 21)? Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

____

@stan - in that thrillingly informative sentence, there is a TM and 2 (R)s. It's Kevin!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

Closing thoughts
Man oh man, we are working on so many different things. In addition to Robotech® RPG Tactics™ materials, there are several new Rifts® and Splicers® titles in the works as well as several other things and some surprises. Our imaginations are on fire and we are motived to get all kinds of products into your hands. Good stuff is coming this Fall.

They're working on so many different things? But have nothing to show for Robotech? Yet it's magically coming this Fall (Sep 23 to Dec 21)? Excuse me if I don't hold my breath.
____
@stan - in that thrillingly informative sentence, there is a TM and 2 (R)s. It's Kevin!

Three (R)'s. Remember, Robotech Tactics gets both.

And to be fair, the "Good stuff is coming this Fall" doesn't necessarily mean RRT. It's two completely different statements, one talking about what's being worked on, and one talking about what'll get into your hands. If you're conflating those two, well... that's your fault. You obviously didn't "get" the subtext. Can't blame Kevin for that. Can't blame Teflon Kev for anything.