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 n815e wrote:
Since the models are smaller and more powerful, SC games could feature more points with about the same number of models as Macross games.

Agreed, also 9 Bioroids with Sleds.....that's a lot of $ for a Core Squadron vs 6 miniatures with sleds.

Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

 n815e wrote:
Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

forget PB were making our own

I think we had come up with some changes but I cannot find them....Bioroid Sled rules.

Hoversleds are used exclusively by the Robotech Maasters Bioroid forces.
These sleds allow additional firepower and faster movement to the front lines for Bioroid forces. Bioroid squadrons can purchase the sleds. Sleds are an integral part of the Bioroid strategy. Bioroids can freely mount and dismount their sleds at the start of their activation step. Once mounted a Bioroid moves at the speed of the Sled and it will also lose the Jump AND the Quick traits. When an Bioroid dismounts the platform will land safely and is taken off the table and out of harm's way. The sleds are much faster when unoccupied by a bioroid but cannot attack or dodge autonomously. They are essentially advance remote controlled sleds with a limited AI that have been slaved the the Bioroid computer systems. When a Bioroid is mounted and is hit, roll a D6. On a result of a 1 to 3 the Bioroid is hit and on a result of 4 to 6 the Hoversled is hit by the attack. Excess damage from any single attack that destroys the sled of rider is lost. Bioroids are so nimble that if they are on a sled when it is destroyed they land in the same spot that they are in on the ground and do not take any additional damage. Bioroids on Hoversleds are limited in their Hand to Hand options to Punching or performing a Body Block and can freely exit Hand to Hand combat without paying the cost cost of a Command Point.

Mike you forgot the Lawn Mower approach for the sled with ram and such

Body Block....

Asterios, we may need to talk, looks very cool.

Asterios wrote:

ummm I am Rick

Woot! Glad to hear it. I'm looking forward to some first-hand information!

So what sort of cases are you familiar with with the misuse of funds, investor or otherwise? I know the FTC went after the KS creator behind Doom that Came to Atlantic City, but his use of funds were obviously n/a to the project. Have you found cases where the use of funds were, say, tangential to the project, but not direct? Do you know if a lawyer worked pro bono for the backers of Doom? TIA!

ced1106 wrote:

Asterios wrote:

ummm I am Rick

Woot! Glad to hear it. I'm looking forward to some first-hand information!

So what sort of cases are you familiar with with the misuse of funds, investor or otherwise? I know the FTC went after the KS creator behind Doom that Came to Atlantic City, but his use of funds were obviously n/a to the project. Have you found cases where the use of funds were, say, tangential to the project, but not direct? Do you know if a lawyer worked pro bono for the backers of Doom? TIA!

well for starters it has nothing to do with mismanagement of funds, but lack of delivery, with an estimated delivery date of Dec. 2013 and 2 years later still waiting on a bunch of stuff, even that stretches credulity, its one thing if they didn't already collect the money back in June of 2013, but they did, thereby they are in defiance of basic principles of the Consumer Protection Act.

in other words 2 years past the estimated delivery date is too long to hold our money with out delivering full product and not talking about the BC pledge either but the add-ons and such.

Asterios wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

forget PB were making our own

Not really a route I want to have to take, though.

 n815e wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

forget PB were making our own

Not really a route I want to have to take, though.

As long as they don't intend to sell them, they are very much in the clear.

 Albertorius wrote:

 n815e wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

forget PB were making our own

Not really a route I want to have to take, though.

As long as they don't intend to sell them, they are very much in the clear.

ayup making for myself, working on an Armored Veritech now and some Invid, but only for me not to sell

Asterios wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 n815e wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

forget PB were making our own

Not really a route I want to have to take, though.

As long as they don't intend to sell them, they are very much in the clear.

Not sure how this is a response to what I wrote.
ayup making for myself, working on an Armored Veritech now and some Invid, but only for me not to sell

 n815e wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 n815e wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 n815e wrote:
Well, that's assuming PB gets them made!

forget PB were making our own

Not really a route I want to have to take, though.

As long as they don't intend to sell them, they are very much in the clear.

Not sure how this is a response to what I wrote.

Asterios wrote:
ayup making for myself, working on an Armored Veritech now and some Invid, but only for me not to sell

it was in response to what Albertorius said.

Asterios wrote:

well for starters it has nothing to do with mismanagement of funds, but lack of delivery, with an estimated delivery date of Dec. 2013 and 2 years later still waiting on a bunch of stuff, even that stretches credulity, its one thing if they didn't already collect the money back in June of 2013, but they did, thereby they are in defiance of basic principles of the Consumer Protection Act.

in other words 2 years past the estimated delivery date is too long to hold our money with out delivering full product and not talking about the BC pledge either but the add-ons and such.

Hmm -- so which government entity did you or will you file a complaint with? I did a quick search on the Consumer Protection Act, and found a link to the FDIC : https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/6500-200.html

What information do you need to submit to them?

Other KS projects have not delivered within a two year timeframe. Does the FDIC (or whomever you're filing a complaint with) take this into consideration? Do they want additional information that would make them take action against PB?

ced1106 wrote:

Asterios wrote:

well for starters it has nothing to do with mismanagement of funds, but lack of delivery, with an estimated delivery date of Dec. 2013 and 2 years later still waiting on a bunch of stuff, even that stretches credulity, its one thing if they didn't already collect the money back in June of 2013, but they did, thereby they are in defiance of basic principles of the Consumer Protection Act.

in other words 2 years past the estimated delivery date is too long to hold our money with out delivering full product and not talking about the BC pledge either but the add-ons and such.

Hmm -- so which government entity did you or will you file a complaint with? I did a quick search on the Consumer Protection Act, and found a link to the FDIC : https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/6500-200.html

What information do you need to submit to them?

Other KS projects have not delivered within a two year timeframe. Does the FDIC (or whomever you're filing a complaint with) take this into consideration? Do they want additional information that would make them take action against PB?

I filed with the BBB to show attempt to resolve said matter, then I filed with the Michigan state AG (no word from them yet) and filed with my own States AG who has sent an inquiry to PB, as to other KS projects not delivering within 2 years they do not care unless someone files with them regarding them.

as to information pretty much all that is needed is evidence product was not delivered within a certain time frame, which is why the Washington State Attorney did nothing on the card game till a certain time frame lapsed.

All i have to show for now is date money was paid, estimated date of delivery of full project and what was delivered and not delivered.

theres a couple other avenues that might be used in case this needs to go to court, but thats all i'm at liberty to say for now.

Yeah I meant to respond to him but the quoting got messed up.

Second Pass on Bioroids, included are Faction Rules and New Traits.

still think you should have gone with my Synchronized targeting special ability

Asterios wrote:
still think you should have gone with my Synchronized targeting special ability

I didn't for three reasons.....

1. In the Masters Saga only the Terminator Bioroids were the ones that fought specifically in threes. The others were organized in threes but not mentioned or seen specifically fighting as a team of three units. Once the Advanced units came out that was mentioned.

2. I don't like the idea of ignoring LOS on any unit with direct fire weapons. (The you have units shooting around hills).

3. The Bioroids will have a much better survival chance by having a larger CF radius. This means that they can avoid having multiple units hit in a single volley. There were also never seen bunching up like pods but spreading our to take cover and pour the hurt on. Plus it helps them a lot against Blast weapons.

New PBWU. Mostly selling/promoting other lines.

Nothing new on the PROGRESS of Wave 2, BUT apparently they're starting to put up cards for items in Wave 2. I hadn't seen an announcement anywhere that they'd done that, though to be fair, I also wasn't actively looking. And I honestly applaud that effort.

Though, so far it's the FPA, and MPA, and soon to be the SValk and Zent HInf. So the cynical part of me kind of thinks it's just an attempt to sell more of the promo figures to be used "as proxies" for these units, at a ridiculous markup.

Cause $66 for a FPA squadron, or $132 for an MPA squadron, seems a bit pricey at this point. But for that price, you do get to play with them (likely officially, according to the POH tourney rules allowing Miriya FPA as a proxy), months/years before anyone else does.

All the rest of the promises (Force Orgs, Conventional Forces, Expanded Rules/FAQ/Errata) are still being promised, but I do note they've removed "in the weeks ahead". Probably a good thing not to put any form of timeframe on it. Because for a company that has said they don't want to put schedules on things (Like Wave 2), they sure do put a lot of schedules on things (Like Wave 2).

Well, to make it appear something will get done "soon" it is to alleviate that fear of pre-ordering, or get all angry wanting your money back after waiting months for "soon" to be over.

Yep, PB is realizing capital rolled into stock is worth more even discounted as liquid cash. Let us hope it is for molds not keeping the lights on.

wow, just wow this weekly update they didn't even bother with the "soon" gee wonder if they have been listening?

I too didn't realize they came out with the MPA and FPA cards either. Was that announced on the facebook group? Or last week's update and I just missed it? Or is it new?

 warboss wrote:
I too didn't realize they came out with the MPA and FPA cards either. Was that announced on the facebook group? Or last week's update and I just missed it? Or is it new?

No idea. I saw them on DrivethruRPG's daily updates some days ago... must admit I didn't bother to pick them up.

PB said in the last update they were going to be bring these cards out, but nothing about them being brought out.

Asterios wrote:
PB said in the last update they were going to be bring these cards out, but nothing about them being brought out.

I don't recall that but (for obvious reason) I admittedly skim over the stuff they plan/wish/hope/want/pray to get out until it's actually out. Thanks.


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 Albertorius wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I too didn't realize they came out with the MPA and FPA cards either. Was that announced on the facebook group? Or last week's update and I just missed it? Or is it new?

No idea. I saw them on DrivethruRPG's daily updates some days ago... must admit I didn't bother to pick them up.

I did just in case they get pulled down at a later date. Never hurts to have them.

 warboss wrote:

Asterios wrote:
PB said in the last update they were going to be bring these cards out, but nothing about them being brought out.

I don't recall that but (for obvious reason) I admittedly skim over the stuff they plan/wish/hope/want/pray to get out until it's actually out. Thanks.

from the last KS update:

We will be posting the following in the weeks ahead:

Actual cards for Wave Two game pieces.
Force Organization Charts.
Stats for Conventional Combat Vehicles (pre-Robotech).
Expanded rules, errata, and clarifications.
A free set of basic rules and paper miniatures will be made available online.
More photos of painted minis.
And we’ll try to do more updates.

Ok, thanks, Yeah, most of that stuff has been advertised for months and yet doesn't exist in the wild despite the weekly/monthly claims of working on it so I didn't expect much. I'm glad it's out though. Even if they completely fail getting out wave 2, I'll at least officially be able to use my resin miriyas.

Just a quick question.

Anyone have any idea how small a 1/4000 scale VF-1 will be?

I just noticed that there are 8 VF-1's, 8 VF-1 Supers, and a couple of "Destroyed" Monsters in the 1/4000 SDF-1 kit I have ordered from Japan.

I'm hoping that they'll be at least a couple of mm long!