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 warboss wrote:
I think Gencon is the next possible date... but that doesn't make it a realistic one. I don't believe Palladium gives a rat's ass about anyone but themselves (the delays, incompetence, VOLUNTARY horrible communication consisting of only minimal CYA speech and spin). They're going to miss the Xmas 2015 season no matter what. The next big splash they **could** make where they sell direct for full margins would be gencon and I suspect that is their next internal target. Of course, they'll come out with some bs speech about how they need to try and screw over backers again by devoting the first shipments to sell at gencon if it happens.

And if they miss that, then they'll need to make sure it's all set for Black Friday to retail. Or Christmas. Or AdeptiCon 2017. Or GenCon 2017. There'll always be some imminent event they can screw backers over for. And not just because, either. From a business perspective, they're going to want to get as much wholesale/retail out into the wild before backers get theirs, and potentially glut the market. With Wave 1, it got to backers in an inconsistent manner, and a portion of those backers had to evaluate the worth to them (in terms of putting it together and/or the rules), before passing on the game. Another portion figured it'd sell better when Wave 2 arrived. Neither portion are likely to hold off next time. Now, whether those two groups plus the people who sold it immediately are significant or not, remains to be seen. But even if 5% of backers dump out immediately, that's still a lot of material people will want best money on, which COULD affect retail sales.

 warboss wrote:
My personal guess though is that they're just riding out the license clock and the too much of the money is gone because they spent it all on wave 1 stock sitting in their warehouse and they're in self preservation mode just like most of the rest of the past decade since the Crisis of TreacheryTM. The robotech slush fund... I mean kickstarter was just a brief respite and we now return you to the defacto desperate measures. Every man for himself! Grab a dice bag and RiftsTM monogrammed pencil on your way out! :(

What's the clock on the license? I thought it got renewed early-mid 2014? Even a five year license will have them going through 2019. And it'd take a complete business imbecile (ohhh.... right, it's Kevin) to take on a project like this one, without having enough follow time to take the lion's share of profit before the license lapsed. But then again, I would have figured they'd have locked down the long term license before starting the project so it wouldn't expire a couple of months past the original ETA. I mean, what would PB have done if it hadn't got renewed before they hit go on the production run.

Also, if KevCo think that if the license runs out, that'll be the end of it, because if Palladium can't produce anything, the backers shouldn't expect anything from them, and the backers will just accept the loss and move on, I think he's in for a rude awakening. But then again, I don't expect it to get that far. While some are pursuing legal remedies, if PB miss GenCon (given their revised "EOY or Q1, 2016"), I can see the tempo on the uncommitted escalating. Some aren't going to care, but if Wave 2 is two years late (it was initially due Oct 2014), without serious signs of movement (ie, production starting), that's when I predict the momentum will shift.

That's assuming that the current precursors to litigation don't gain traction. If they do, PB might not get much older.

They reaquired the license in 2007 but I don't know if they extended it or just expanded it with Tactics. I thought it was just an expansion of the license and not an extension from what they wrote before the kickstarter but I very easily could be wrong. If anyone can find the original press release talking about what they had to do to their RPG license to fit in tactics, feel free to post a link. In any case, the 10 year anniversary of the license would be in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robotech_%28role-playing_game%29

It's just guessing on my part but frankly guessing has been more accurate than any statement from Palladium early on in this project. At this point, I'm expecting the worst (short of actually committing a crime of course) from Palladium as that is what they've been giving us for almost two years except for a few months.

The mods at Palladium's forum are at it again. Posts are disappearing since earlier today.

 warboss wrote:
The mods at Palladium's forum are at it again. Posts are disappearing since earlier today.

What's been going missing? Blatant stuff, or relatively benign posts?

Morgan Vening wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The mods at Palladium's forum are at it again. Posts are disappearing since earlier today.

What's been going missing? Blatant stuff, or relatively benign posts?

The truth hurts type of posts where everything is evidence based but uncomfortable to see or discuss.

My wife watches "Bar Rescue" religiously (though neither of us would ever set foot in one, go figure). I wish there was a "RPG Rescue" and their first target was Palladium.

It would be worth it for watching the host ripping Kevin a new one and shredding his illusion of the "rainbows and unicorn farts" worlds he's encased himself in.

 Stormonu wrote:
My wife watches "Bar Rescue" religiously (though neither of us would ever set foot in one, go figure). I wish there was a "RPG Rescue" and their first target was Palladium.
It would be worth it for watching the host ripping Kevin a new one and shredding his illusion of the "rainbows and unicorn farts" worlds he's encased himself in.

I think what sets a new level of insane is when faced with a narcissist, you want to see a truly big break from reality watch Ramsay's "Kitchen Nightmares" when he tries to save "Amy's Baking Company" first time he had to give up on a business:I think you would find the confrontation would not be as angry with Kevin but I am sure he would reject any and all advice since he IS the "expert".
Watch this video, honestly it is the strangest bit of reality of a business that should go under immediately but somehow thrives on controversy.
They actually became something of a sensation.
<edit> To stay somewhat on topic, people of this nature DO have a strong survival instinct so they will attend to what is important (balanced with their need for attention good or bad) but on occasion they can be self-destructive when circumstances cause too much pressure, hence why these "crisis of treachery" events get to be so severe for PB.

Don't get me wrong, exciting people to be around but unless you are willing to be their adoring fan, their only other use for you is to use you and throw you away.
This is why the litigation threats get such an extreme response: a "higher" authority gets to be involved which threatens their authority... they hate that.

Just watch in the video the multitude of ways Amy tries to tear-down Ramsay and justify why he is not worth listening to.

Kevin is not a narcissist, he's got a fragile ego/low self-esteem. This is why his fans/staff do what they can to protect him from negativity.
Imagine having a boss that could crash into angry resentment at having faced a reality that isn't always positive about him. That must suck.

Talizvar the funny thing about that show is the restaraunts invite Ramsey for help and advice.

The prehistoric animals kickstarter by Dina Walker has officially been the Amy's Baking Company of tabletop gaming for over a year. We'll have to find another comparison like Bill Murray's character from Kingpin.

You know what's the annoying things about the RRT updates? When you get a meaningful update about delays from another Kickstarter -- the HGB one that I also backed. Spoiler tags to keep things shorter:


No buses involved, talking about technical problems that is understandable. Not perfect, but at least we know what is the holdup and what is the upcoming progress. And yes early 2016 is going to be a bust -- CNY period, so more likely late Q1 or mid 2016. Fine, at least we know something is happening. As oppose to knowing nothing is happening.

PB can learn a lot about updates just by backing a few KS themselves.

 n815e wrote:
Kevin is not a narcissist...

Not a narcissist?
How so?
The symptoms are there.
This site had been a good source of "therapy": http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.ca/2008/06/best-of-posts-on-narcissists-suck.html
I watched the man talk to some 5 people and talked to him myself at Anime North.
I have had five of these "types" in various parts of my life, they become pretty easy to spot.
Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree.
The easiest rule to remember is "it is all about me" at it's most basic condition.

he's got a fragile ego/low self-esteem...

As many articles state it is a defense mechanism for a fragile ego/self-esteem.
You create a "false front" the all powerful super-being that they delude themselves into thinking they are, their shield against doubt and maintain self-worth.
I made the mistake of reading this book since it is like quibbling over details: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15298860902815451

This is why his fans/staff do what they can to protect him from negativity.

Those would be called "enablers" and sources of narcissistic supply.

Imagine having a boss that could crash into angry resentment at having faced a reality that isn't always positive about him.

If you have been raised by a narcissist, other ones gravitate to you... I had two bosses like that.

That must suck.

Oh yes it does.
Guess what is the only way to get them off your back?
To promise "I will make sure I will make you look good.".
If that is not the ultimate suck-up, nothing is.

It is not a small consideration that Kevin may look at this captive audience as a good thing.
As long as we communicate good or bad it is preferable to apathy and silence.
The legal threats and official shaming however attack his authority so that is a whole different communication he would like to silence or at least pretend is not there.

Guys, that's not right.

Kevin stated very clearly that he doesn't employ Yes men who blow smoke up his ass, that they all give him the hard criticism that he needs.

Sun and Clouds – April 2, 2014

That’s today’s forecast. And I think that’s how I’ve been feeling the last week or two. There have been moments when I’ve felt enthusiastic, positive and sunny, and other times that I’ve felt worn out and cloudy — gloomy and frustrated. I think a lot of that comes from working constantly, for months, putting in long hours, and working weekends, yet somehow we’re still behind schedule on new releases and release dates continue to slip. Waaaah. We’re a small company of six people, so when one book slips, they all get pushed back. It is as frustrating as Hell. Especially when you know you’re giving it your all, but your all isn't good enough. It brings you down.

While I am writing slower than I like, apparently it’s pure gold. Alex came in this morning to say, “The latest batch of Northern Gun material was great. I could really picture it all. I know you’re feeling like the writing isn’t coming easy, but you’d never know it from what you’re handing us. I think you’re at the top of your game. People are going to love this book.”

That’s great to hear, and it’s nice to have a cheerleader like Alex in your corner. You know, a guy who tells it like it is and doesn’t blow sunshine up your behind. So when he says something is good, you know it’s good. Heck, all the guys are like that. Some days I wish they were yes-men, but not really. I like getting honest criticism and feedback even when it is harsh at times. It’s what helps me keep the level of quality strong. Of course, I tend to be my harshest critic, so it’s good to know I’m hitting on all cylinders when I’m so not sure myself.

That’s part of the problem working on a big book (more than 160 pages), it’s like running a marathon. Toward the end, you’re running on instinct and sheer force of will. And that finish line can’t appear soon enough.

I finally feel like I’m getting my writing rhythm back. Yesterday was pretty productive and I’m feeling hot writing today, so I’m going to get back to it.

...

Kevin Siembieda
Publisher, Writer and Game Designer

© Copyright April 2, 2014 Palladium Books Inc. All rights reserved.

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“The latest batch of Northern Gun material was great. I could really picture it all. I know you’re feeling like the writing isn’t coming easy, but you’d never know it from what you’re handing us. I think you’re at the top of your game. People are going to love this book.”

He must write really crappy dialogue, because *nobody* talks like this, clearest indicator that hes just making gak up.

You have to understand: at PB, they have very consistent (low) quality, so being "at the top of his game" simply means that it's not any worse than any of the other shoddy dreck he's shoveled out over the past X years.

It's like patting a kindergartner on the head for not pooping his pants. Attaboy, Kevin!

 Lynx7725 wrote:
Spoiler tags to keep things shorter:

Spoiler:

Sorry we have not posted any new updates in the last few weeks. We've been trying to figure out how to deal with some unexpected problems that have delayed the manufacture of the steel plastic injection molds.

So we'll bring everyone up to speed with this weeks update of whats going on. Back in early August we uploaded all the 3d model parts and plans for what parts get sprued together for each robot in the plastic injection molds. We then had to wait for a the company making the molds to have free space in their production line to look at the parts and get back to us with final sprue layouts. In early September they got back to us with notes on a few detail problems they found with the parts. Mainly some of the raised details being to small to be machined out in the molds and some small areas with knife edges. We knew that our first time making plastic injection molds would be a learning experience. Now we know that the smallest drill used by the machines to cut molds is 0.3 mm in diameter and when the cavity is cut into the mold it leaves a 0.15 mm rounded edge. We have some raised details that are 0.1 and 0.2 mm wide and they all need to be fixed up. Also when two of these round fillet edges are to close to one another the gap between them makes a very fine knife edge of steel in the mold. We have to fill in these areas or make them a bit wider, if we don't the knife edge can get broken off during mold polishing or in the popping of plastic and then that detail is gone from the miniature. In order to properly check all the hundreds of parts for potential problems, we have acquired a new software last week that enables us to preview a parts mold cavity. Our modelers are starting work on checking and making the fixes necessary for the parts to work in the molds and look great.

These fixes are going to take a few weeks to get them all done right. Our planned Backer rewards shipping starting in late October and November is going to get pushed back. We don't know the exact date yet, but once all the parts are fixed it will take about 1 to 2 months for the molds to be made. Then they can go into production, which will take another few weeks. So its not likely that we will able to ship in time for Christmas, but sometime in early 2016.

So this is all brand new difficulties and somehow didn't occur with wave one? Did they somehow change their process since they made wave one and adopt a totally new form of milling?

Weren't they suggesting that stuff was ready to go back around the beginning of spring? Yet we basically have a statement that they didn't even send out the files until Aug, and just not they are discovering that the details need to be corrected. Shouldn't they have reached an understanding of industry tolerances back when they resculpted the wave one items or did they throw out Kev's magic notepad?

Palladium must have some pretty strong binocular type glasses as they always seem to think they are within paces of the finish line when in reality they are standing well behind the starting blocks.

Everything looks good to me!

Stan, that update was from the Pod, for the Heavy Gear Blitz plastics, which they swore would deliver on time in November this year. This latest feth up pushes Heavy Gear plastcs to sometime next year. Don't hold your breath.

Earlier in the year, the Pod warned us how their KS renders weren't in the proper format for production, and how they needed to redo everything. But don't worry, everything will be fine. Minis are coming. Soon.

The amusing part is that the Pod is following the PB playbook to a tee. With the same claims and everything. I can't wait to hear how the Pod will have issues with port strikes and other nonsense.

Fortunately, I only threw a buck in the hat with the Pod, unlike the more substantial amount I put into Robotech Tactics.

 stanman wrote:

 Lynx7725 wrote:
Spoiler tags to keep things shorter:

Spoiler:

Sorry we have not posted any new updates in the last few weeks. We've been trying to figure out how to deal with some unexpected problems that have delayed the manufacture of the steel plastic injection molds.

So we'll bring everyone up to speed with this weeks update of whats going on. Back in early August we uploaded all the 3d model parts and plans for what parts get sprued together for each robot in the plastic injection molds. We then had to wait for a the company making the molds to have free space in their production line to look at the parts and get back to us with final sprue layouts. In early September they got back to us with notes on a few detail problems they found with the parts. Mainly some of the raised details being to small to be machined out in the molds and some small areas with knife edges. We knew that our first time making plastic injection molds would be a learning experience. Now we know that the smallest drill used by the machines to cut molds is 0.3 mm in diameter and when the cavity is cut into the mold it leaves a 0.15 mm rounded edge. We have some raised details that are 0.1 and 0.2 mm wide and they all need to be fixed up. Also when two of these round fillet edges are to close to one another the gap between them makes a very fine knife edge of steel in the mold. We have to fill in these areas or make them a bit wider, if we don't the knife edge can get broken off during mold polishing or in the popping of plastic and then that detail is gone from the miniature. In order to properly check all the hundreds of parts for potential problems, we have acquired a new software last week that enables us to preview a parts mold cavity. Our modelers are starting work on checking and making the fixes necessary for the parts to work in the molds and look great.

These fixes are going to take a few weeks to get them all done right. Our planned Backer rewards shipping starting in late October and November is going to get pushed back. We don't know the exact date yet, but once all the parts are fixed it will take about 1 to 2 months for the molds to be made. Then they can go into production, which will take another few weeks. So its not likely that we will able to ship in time for Christmas, but sometime in early 2016.

So this is all brand new difficulties and somehow didn't occur with wave one? Did they somehow change their process since they made wave one and adopt a totally new form of milling?

Weren't they suggesting that stuff was ready to go back around the beginning of spring? Yet we basically have a statement that they didn't even send out the files until Aug, and just not they are discovering that the details need to be corrected. Shouldn't they have reached an understanding of industry tolerances back when they resculpted the wave one items or did they throw out Kev's magic notepad?

Palladium must have some pretty strong binocular type glasses as they always seem to think they are within paces of the finish line when in reality they are standing well behind the starting blocks.

Everything looks good to me!

that was from another project, where they don't keep secrets unlike the RRT project.

 stanman wrote:

 Lynx7725 wrote:
Spoiler tags to keep things shorter:

Spoiler:

Sorry we have not posted any new updates in the last few weeks. We've been trying to figure out how to deal with some unexpected problems that have delayed the manufacture of the steel plastic injection molds.

So we'll bring everyone up to speed with this weeks update of whats going on. Back in early August we uploaded all the 3d model parts and plans for what parts get sprued together for each robot in the plastic injection molds. We then had to wait for a the company making the molds to have free space in their production line to look at the parts and get back to us with final sprue layouts. In early September they got back to us with notes on a few detail problems they found with the parts. Mainly some of the raised details being to small to be machined out in the molds and some small areas with knife edges. We knew that our first time making plastic injection molds would be a learning experience. Now we know that the smallest drill used by the machines to cut molds is 0.3 mm in diameter and when the cavity is cut into the mold it leaves a 0.15 mm rounded edge. We have some raised details that are 0.1 and 0.2 mm wide and they all need to be fixed up. Also when two of these round fillet edges are to close to one another the gap between them makes a very fine knife edge of steel in the mold. We have to fill in these areas or make them a bit wider, if we don't the knife edge can get broken off during mold polishing or in the popping of plastic and then that detail is gone from the miniature. In order to properly check all the hundreds of parts for potential problems, we have acquired a new software last week that enables us to preview a parts mold cavity. Our modelers are starting work on checking and making the fixes necessary for the parts to work in the molds and look great.

These fixes are going to take a few weeks to get them all done right. Our planned Backer rewards shipping starting in late October and November is going to get pushed back. We don't know the exact date yet, but once all the parts are fixed it will take about 1 to 2 months for the molds to be made. Then they can go into production, which will take another few weeks. So its not likely that we will able to ship in time for Christmas, but sometime in early 2016.

So this is all brand new difficulties and somehow didn't occur with wave one? Did they somehow change their process since they made wave one and adopt a totally new form of milling?

Weren't they suggesting that stuff was ready to go back around the beginning of spring? Yet we basically have a statement that they didn't even send out the files until Aug, and just not they are discovering that the details need to be corrected. Shouldn't they have reached an understanding of industry tolerances back when they resculpted the wave one items or did they throw out Kev's magic notepad?

Palladium must have some pretty strong binocular type glasses as they always seem to think they are within paces of the finish line when in reality they are standing well behind the starting blocks.

Everything looks good to me!

Your posted pic is quite ironic. You need to reread that post as it is from the HEAVY GEAR kickstarter and being posted as an example of screwing up but coming clean and being honest with backers.

chaos0xomega wrote:

“The latest batch of Northern Gun material was great. I could really picture it all. I know you’re feeling like the writing isn’t coming easy, but you’d never know it from what you’re handing us. I think you’re at the top of your game. People are going to love this book.”

He must write really crappy dialogue, because *nobody* talks like this, clearest indicator that hes just making gak up.

Yeah, that's struck me as well.

Which, taken to its logical conclusion, must make for a simply fascinating work environment.

Knowing that you'll be "quoted" to an audience of hundreds/thousands (even between the population of their forums and the KS backers who were signed up (or re-signed up), 10k, let alone "tens of thousands" seems awfully generous) now and then would be interesting.

Going home Thursday night, pondering "I wonder what made up bullgak I've said today?"

 Forar wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

“The latest batch of Northern Gun material was great. I could really picture it all. I know you’re feeling like the writing isn’t coming easy, but you’d never know it from what you’re handing us. I think you’re at the top of your game. People are going to love this book.”

He must write really crappy dialogue, because *nobody* talks like this, clearest indicator that hes just making gak up.

Yeah, that's struck me as well.

Which, taken to its logical conclusion, must make for a simply fascinating work environment.

Knowing that you'll be "quoted" to an audience of hundreds/thousands (even between the population of their forums and the KS backers who were signed up (or re-signed up), 10k, let alone "tens of thousands" seems awfully generous) now and then would be interesting.

Going home Thursday night, pondering "I wonder what made up bullgak I've said today?"

Yeah, the way he 'quotes' people makes me wonder what he sounds like in real life. I imagine hes like one of those vintage cartoon characters that says stuff like 'So you know what I says to him? I says "Bobby", thats what I calls him, I calls him Bobby, so I says to him, "Bobby,..."'

OTOH, Kevin claims to be his own "harshest critic", so we just know the quality is there, right?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

The amusing part is that the Pod is following the PB playbook to a tee. With the same claims and everything. I can't wait to hear how the Pod will have issues with port strikes and other nonsense.

I do see where you're pointing to, but well.. we'll see. A bit more confidence in Pod than PB to be honest. At least some info is coming out. Whereas PB updates is just opening and closing of mouth parts.

Agreed. While it is a (sadly) common thing to have KS's delayed, not every delayed KS is equal.

PB is late by what is approaching 2 years (and 3 seems very possible). That's an awfully high bar to clear right there.

They have literally nothing to show off after 7 months of work, noting a few months of things being held up after a few months is a wee bit more than that.

I see people whinge about (my admittedly beloved) Shadows of Brimstone campaign, as though they're equally bad as gakshows like this, which seems like an awfully Black and White way of viewing things.

SoB (as a go-to example) actually has things to show off! Dozens of figures done, new cards, a new large box expansion and a bunch of smaller ones, new mechanics, a little 'bling', and that was just what they showed off after 1 year of work (Gencon 2014 to Gencon 2015), and it's hopeful that there'll be even more progress in the ~2 months since then.

People keep equating "omg they didn't do everything in 12 months omg omg" with "umm, we're pushing 2.5 years and it's not impossible that they'll hit 4 years of work or more".

It's a view lacking nuance, and makes one seem unpleaseable. Why bother trying to please someone who will take considerable efforts and gak all over them?

I've even tossed appreciation PB's way when they manage to not step on their own di... wangs. Sadly those opportunities have been few and far in between of late.

OTOH, PB did deliver Wave 1. Late, to be sure, and more fiddly than anybody had imagined possible, but they did deliver the base Robotech game - I've got the model built and everything.

We're still waiting to see what / if / when the Pod delivers.

PB delivered wave one ~1 year late (a month or two early for some US folks, weeks or months later for the rest of us).

If Pod manages to deliver their entire lineup in less than half a year late, I'd consider that a considerable win for them.

But I skipped that KS entirely, barely have enough time to play the games I have let alone pick up more, so while it's interesting to see another stompy robot thing going on (and I've always had HG on the periphery of my interests), I'll just keep my fingers crossed for them and their backers that things don't get too far out of hand.

Having glanced at the full update, it's also nice to see images and read about the concerns/considerations and resolutions. Better to know what is actually going on than with PB where it's just a vague hand waving 'trimming the parts count' statement.

It's awfully cynical how they assume that "oh, well then, if you're trimming the parts count(tm) then do take all the time in the world, chaps!"

Context is important. Are they cutting the Super VT's down from 45 pieces to 15? Awesome! Are they only managing to trim down from 30 to 29? Then stop wasting our time!

But as long as they remain vague and comment on something they know is contentious, they seem to think it's a balm to salve all concerns forever.

They've been banging that drum for months now. They're simplifying plastic figures, not researching a new element.

Oh, I'm sorry, Robotech mecha are an unholy Lovecraftian nightmare that has eldritch angles and Escher'esque detailing that most machines (let alone mortal minds) can't comprehend, let alone reproduce. :-P

 Lynx7725 wrote:
No buses involved, talking about technical problems that is understandable. Not perfect, but at least we know what is the holdup and what is the upcoming progress. And yes early 2016 is going to be a bust -- CNY period, so more likely late Q1 or mid 2016. Fine, at least we know something is happening. As oppose to knowing nothing is happening.

PB can learn a lot about updates just by backing a few KS themselves.

While I still hold some reservations regarding DP9 and that project, I just wanted to interject on one thing. To my recollection, CNY won't have any impact on delivery, as the whole point behind the initial optimistic timeframe was that production would be handled by a North American company. So while Thanksgiving and Christmas might add some minor delays, it's not the same thing as CNY affecting Chinese manufacturing.

Morgan Vening wrote:

While I still hold some reservations regarding DP9 and that project, I just wanted to interject on one thing. To my recollection, CNY won't have any impact on delivery, as the whole point behind the initial optimistic timeframe was that production would be handled by a North American company. So while Thanksgiving and Christmas might add some minor delays, it's not the same thing as CNY affecting Chinese manufacturing.

Oh yeah, right. For some reason I injected "Chinese" before the "manufacturing" in that update. Yeah so shouldn't be that impacted.

PB OTOH, if they aren't cutting steel by now, is simply going to run into the end-of-year crush. Odds on when they'd announce the delay?

What we keep pointing to as the most maddening element of dealing with PB is the relationship.

Paternal.

Daddy KS is handling it and he will let us know when he is ready.
It is rather insulting for a person to try to position themselves as an authority when they have proven to be rather inept at so many things.
I do not think we have ever been acknowledged as "customers" only as "fans" which is trying to make us appear to hold them in high regard.
Then this entitled individual decides to "tell me" what my money is worth and what I am entitled to.
I can see how some people are exploring the legal route just to take all this garbage out of his hands because if he has his way he would happily pocket the money and give nothing if he thought he could get away with it.
I had hoped greed was important enough to try to get the wave 2 product out but since the wave 1 starter box did not sell as was expected, he figures wave 2 is a losing proposition.

Too bad I have a family, if I was still single I would have had zero issue blowing a fair bit of money just to make an example of these guys as a public service.

Ah well, we all have our hobbies and they tend to have a budget.

 Lynx7725 wrote:

PB OTOH, if they aren't cutting steel by now, is simply going to run into the end-of-year crush. Odds on when they'd announce the delay?

Well past the point where it's insultingly obvious that they won't make it, yet they'll pretend that it's totally still possible.

I'm saying Thanksgiving they'll admit that it just *MIGHT* not make it by end of 1st quarter, but they're almost sure it'll make it by 2nd quarter.