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Sometimes it can be the principal of the thing.
Or someone makes you sufficiently angry.
Or a plain old you want them to stop so others are not taken advantage of as well.

In this case, "getting your money back" is not the prime motivation any more, pointless really.

Asterios wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
So all it would take to stop a lawsuit is $120 and PB won't do it?

They must seriously doubt your ability and/or desire to follow through with your threats.

not really that, but PB knows if they refund me, they will have others threatening the same and they will have to refund them and not sure how long PB could hold out on that or survive.

PB is in a catch 22, they should have refunded a lot earlier while there was still interest in the game.

unfortunately, too true. If I caught wind of a refund of $120, I'd be after my $140. After that, it may even get to the dizzy heights of $150.

Although in truth, my $140 wouldn't even hit them that hard. If I got it back, the first thing I'd probably do is sink some of it back in a VT expansion box. [just so I had something to slap those stupid decals on, and to try out a couple of different paint jobs on.]

But I have heard that PB have struck a deal with another company to ensure that wave 2 gets to the backers faster than wave 1 ever did when it was released.

So if, within a couple of weeks of PB saying wave 2 is shipping, you get a package from "gak Express" - my advice is "Don't Open It!"

OK, profanity filter. The first word of that company is a 4-letter word beginning with "S" that means the same as Excrement. Actually "Excrement Express" would have been a better name anyway, but hey, I don't own the company.

Autarch wrote:
Wow if your sending a lawyer after them for $120, I should be sending the FTC, the SEC, Treasury Dept, SCOTUS and FBI.

its not about the money, its the principle of the thing, PB has been allowed to run rampant as a joke of a company and this must stop.

Even with Mike working overtime to resuscitate the game I'm still unable to stay interested. Maybe the best thing to do is let Rick try his best to put PB out of business so they don't continue to pollute the game industry with their shoddy products and terrible customer relations. I want wave two as much as everyone else, but I doubt it's going to happen. They seem to be stalling on purpose. I don't know if it's for financial reasons or its to hard to finish or both, but as of now I can't see myself feeling sad if PB went the way of the dodo.

I've given up assisting PB (who does not listen very well if at all anyways) and have moved on to making a way so that I can use my Battletech minis to play as well as the CAV minis that I'm getting from that KS.....

Already tossed out the Squadron formations and stuff and turned the rules into a Skirmish type game where you pick individual units.

Did they ever manage to produce the Malcontent dice? Or is that must more IP they're hoping to license, somehow?

You guys that wanted the malcontent dice should just get together and have them made already. PB will not come out with ever.


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Mike I'm glad you've finally seen the light. The last thing PB needs is for you to do their work for them.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
You guys that wanted the malcontent dice should just get together and have them made already. PB will not come out with ever.


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Mike I'm glad you've finally seen the light. The last thing PB needs is for you to do their work for them.

It's tiresome when you try to spoon feed a child something they should know they need to take in and they just keep putting on a petulant face and turning their heads. Eventually you decide that they can starve or they will come back asking for more food but they are not getting a thing until they come and ask.

Just be careful Kevin doesn't throw you under the bus. In his last update he criticized the sculpture who made the MPA.

Pretty sure he'd do that if he felt it'd help

Well based on past reactions the backers will rally against Kevin and back you up. Except maybe Jorel.lol

That's expected and if he does I fully expect it to backfire on him.

Well I was going to post new pics of my new version Armored Veritech, Cats Eye recon plane, Alpha/Fighter combo, Lancer II, Invids and so on, but then I thought that would be making fun of PB who claims its so hard to reduce part count and so forth and would show them as the liars they are, but then I thought screw it PB is lying to us and there is no wave 2 coming so here ya go:

Mind you these have mostly been done on TinkerCad which is a free generic 3D designer program and not a good program, but hey its free.




Left one is Ver. 3, Right one is Ver. 4



Left one is Ver. 3, Right one is Ver. 4







view my workings and go laugh at PB's transparent lies.

I do wish everybody would stop so harsh on Palladium. I'd like to see how long it would take any of you to get any work completed when you had to turn off all the lights and hide under your desks pretending nobody's there every time a bill collector knocks on the door, telephones or sends an email!
Kevin doesn't lie!


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These really are terrible miniatures, I've been trying to assemble some battloids for the last week, glue a few halves and then get depressed, try again the next night.
Why is the detail so soft?

Joyboozer wrote:
These really are terrible miniatures, I've been trying to assemble some battloids for the last week, glue a few halves and then get depressed, try again the next night.
Why is the detail so soft?

That's the trouble with "Mouth-watering" minis. Water erosion!

Joyboozer wrote:
Why is the detail so soft?

That's the detail they were willing to pay for.

How do you make more cuts and end up with soft detail though?
It's like they excell at being gak.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
These really are terrible miniatures, I've been trying to assemble some battloids for the last week, glue a few halves and then get depressed, try again the next night.
Why is the detail so soft?

That's the trouble with "Mouth-watering" minis. Water erosion!

Why not do Wave II as ice sculptures?

SOme melting may occur in shipping.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
These really are terrible miniatures, I've been trying to assemble some battloids for the last week, glue a few halves and then get depressed, try again the next night.
Why is the detail so soft?

That's the trouble with "Mouth-watering" minis. Water erosion!

Why not do Wave II as ice sculptures?

SOme melting may occur in shipping.

No, we'd get a lot of empty plastic bags with the promise of making the instructions on how to make ice at a later date. Possibly relying a super fan to make the instructions for them, and still not bother posting them.

Joyboozer wrote:
No, we'd get a lot of empty plastic bags with the promise of making the instructions on how to make ice at a later date. Possibly relying a super fan to make the instructions for them, and still not bother posting them.

Based on PB's track record thus far, they'd rely on a literal fan to make ice and then wonder why it isn't working. It does seem as though basic concepts elude them at times. Then they would state the fan wasn't enough of a super-fan, and they feel super sorry that they ever trusted it as an appliance to begin with and they'll keep looking for a way to reduce the temperature because you guys...you guys deserve the best. You won't get it from PB perhaps, but it's what you deserve.

Joyboozer wrote:
I do wish everybody would stop so harsh on Palladium. I'd like to see how long it would take any of you to get any work completed when you had to turn off all the lights and hide under your desks pretending nobody's there every time a bill collector knocks on the door, telephones or sends an email!
Kevin doesn't lie!

Yeah, leave Kevin alone! Unless every person here has managed to completely screw up a $1 million plus project and piss off thousands of people at the same time by trying to run out the liability clock for a year, you don't have the necessary expertise to comment on what he's going through!

Joyboozer wrote:
How do you make more cuts and end up with soft detail though?
It's like they excell at being gak.

They do. At that and at extending deadlines. Take a look sometime at their preorder for Mechanoid Space ^^

Pretty sure he'd do that if he felt it'd help

I have no doubt about that, but who would buy it at this point? I don't think even the Fan Friends would take that at face value.

Why is the detail so soft?

That's on Ninja Division's lap. Their lack of experience shines through on every fragile part and soft detail element.
That's not to say I'm unhappy with the models, I actually like them. They could have been better, though.

Well I was going to post new pics of my new version Armored Veritech, Cats Eye recon plane, Alpha/Fighter combo, Lancer II, Invids and so on, but then I thought that would be making fun of PB who claims its so hard to reduce part count and so forth and would show them as the liars they are, but then I thought screw it PB is lying to us and there is no wave 2 coming so here ya go

There is a difference between doing a small run of your own amateur sculpts on 3d printers and creating high volume, professionally produced miniatures.
I'm pretty impressed with what you have done here, but to be honest I wouldn't pay for these.

 n815e wrote:

There is a difference between doing a small run of your own amateur sculpts on 3d printers and creating high volume, professionally produced miniatures.
I'm pretty impressed with what you have done here, but to be honest I wouldn't pay for these.

trust me if i had a better 3D program I could do a better job and probably take the same amount of time to do it for an injection mold machine (I'm used to working with those and their programs, same synopsis just a slightly different design process.

but like i said I'm using TinkerCad and for those who have worked with Tinkercad will say this is pretty damn good stuff, since its just a shapes program.

Let's see where things stand.

- Days since the last update: 21 (apparently we're now on a monthly schedule, which would be fine if they actually had anything pertinent to say in them)
- Days since Wayne said he'd give us a full breakdown on the status of all the pieces: **110**
- Days since the last substantial Wave 2 info: 241

- Days until the end of 2015: 65
- Days until the end of Q1 2016: 156
- Days until Gencon 2016: 280
- Days until the end of 2016: 431

Trimmed some editorial snark, but for those who only swing by to see what's going on once in a while, this is the kind of gak we're dealing with.

This isn't "oh people on Kickstarter are so impatient". It's been 8 fething months since they shared more than vague assertions about delivery, and 110 bloody days since they were supposed to collect info on the state of the figures.

While I agree that Palladium has (externally) put forth a piss poor effort towards completing their OBLIGATIONS per the kickstarter contract over the past year, I don't think it's fair to compare custom made and quickie 3d printed models with plastics. The bigger issue for me (besides their seemingly complete lack of ANY progress since the beginning of the year) is that they're not willing to discuss any sort of completion for this project, whether that involves a partial refund for the remaining rewards or a change in the materials to get backers something before either they or the staff at palladium die of old age.

That isn't a criticism btw of your efforts as you've done a better job than I would have if I had tried to do the same thing. I just don't think that is an apples to apples comparison.

Add a "days since the funding of the KS" and you're golden

A little napkin math says that it has been 891 days since the campaign concluded.

923 days since the campaign launched.

Given that they claimed to have six months of work put in before they launched the campaign, that means they've (allegedly) got around 1,100 days from the start until now, or roughly 3 years of design, development, production, shipping, and general faffing about to deliver 1/3 of the figures (and have the remaining 2/3 at... some percentage of done or not or maybe being redesigned from scratch by some poor dude in a Chinese factory).

PB seems to have lost their final free laborer.

There will be no further progress.

 warboss wrote:
While I agree that Palladium has (externally) put forth a piss poor effort towards completing their OBLIGATIONS per the kickstarter contract over the past year, I don't think it's fair to compare custom made and quickie 3d printed models with plastics. The bigger issue for me (besides their seemingly complete lack of ANY progress since the beginning of the year) is that they're not willing to discuss any sort of completion for this project, whether that involves a partial refund for the remaining rewards or a change in the materials to get backers something before either they or the staff at palladium die of old age.

That isn't a criticism btw of your efforts as you've done a better job than I would have if I had tried to do the same thing. I just don't think that is an apples to apples comparison.

actually it is more apples to apples comparison, I do not have access to the resources PB did, I did not bring in 1.4 million dollars like PB did, i'm just a lone person on a old computer using a free 3D design program which is mediocre at best.

and yet I'm able to make designs faster then PB can, whats PB's excuse?