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Morgan Vening wrote:
* Seriously, enough with the protection symbols, guys, the rights para at the bottom of each post is sufficient. Can you imagine Kevin talking about this over the phone to a potential customer?
"Hey, I'd like to pre-order a half dozen of the new Rifts book coming out."
"Do you mean the Rifts registered trademark Chaos Earth registered trademark Ressurection trademark?"
"Yeah, that. And three boxes of Robotech Tactics."
"So, three boxes of Robotech registered trademark RPG Tactics trademark? We also have available the Robotech registered trademark colon Expeditionary Force Marines trademark Sourcebook. Would you like any of those? Hello? Are you still there? Guess the awesome caused the phoneline to drop out."

Oh, you don't know the funniest part? Back in the 90's they did a trilogy of Rifts(tm,etc) novels. They were what you'd have expected. But to show Palladium's awesome Attention To Detail(tm), at some point they had clearly go ahead and done a CTRL-R and replaced "rift" with "Rift". Meaning that you would have things like "And then Bob's hovercraft dRifted to the left". Dozens of times in these books.

I don't think that Glitter Boy(tm) in there, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had been.

Merijeek wrote:

Oh, you don't know the funniest part? Back in the 90's they did a trilogy of Rifts(tm,etc) novels. They were what you'd have expected. But to show Palladium's awesome Attention To Detail(tm), at some point they had clearly go ahead and done a CTRL-R and replaced "rift" with "Rift". Meaning that you would have things like "And then Bob's hovercraft dRifted to the left". Dozens of times in these books.

I don't think that Glitter Boy(tm) in there, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had been.

Wow, they were wild and free back then. Nowadays, it would be copy pasted as "And then Bob's hovercraft dRift®ed to the left". Oh, the easy and carefree 1990's! The Fresh Prince of Bel Air on TV, "I'm a barbie girl!" on the radio, and Palladium only capitalizing letters instead of trying to claim ownership of every word and consonants. The good ol' days!

I read those novels. Owned them until a year ago or so, when I finally got tired of moving them around/having them eat up space, and pitched them in preparation for another move that was coming up.

They were... not good. Not just the find/replace stuff (which doesn't stand out as strongly for me), but there were also a couple of chapters where characters flagrantly changed personalities (if not an outright error on the writers/editor's part as to whom was actually speaking), chapters that seemed to be missing or story elements that felt out of order, and an ending that was just awful (oh no, there are too many named characters left... meh, just have a big pile of them captured, insinuate that the female characters have been sexually assaulted, and then one of them pulls a grenade and we'll just write off like a dozen at once).

I bought each on release and chewed through it, as this was during the height of my Rifts/PB game playing days, but even then it felt like there were just a ton of things wrong with those books, and not simply differences of opinion in the story direction, like basic editing issues.

I believe Kevin's wife at the time (Maryann) was the editor (or did some of the work at least), and she has defended the works on their forums.

 Forar wrote:

I believe Kevin's wife at the time (Maryann) was the editor (or did some of the work at least), and she has defended the works on their forums.

You are correct, she was the editor of the novels. And you are also correct about her defending herself and Palladium.. by blaming the printer for printing the wrong version. When someone queried her on their being 2 versions she then changed her story to blame an intern at Palladium for sending the wrong copy to the printer.

So as usual it was someone else's fault.

Well, she was just an employee, and if anything is clear, it's that Palladium Books has one, and only one corporate policy - EVERYTHING GOOD IS KEVIN'S GLORIOUS VICTORY, EVERYTHING BAD IS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.

Whether or not all employees have to have this tattooed on their lower back, just above a sketch of Kevin(tm) is unclear at this time.

That does sound like a great, if somewhat obvious, premise for a PSA though...

Scene: MaryAnn's office, enter Kevin.

Kevin: MaryAnn, have you looked at these novels? They're full of spelling errors and sub-par editing!
MaryAnn: It's not my fault! The printer screwed up!
K: The printer did what we sen-
M: And the intern!
K: Why are you trying to blame someone else? Where did you learn that?!
M: From you, OK?! *begin crying* I learned it by watching YOU!

Narrator: Company owners who shift blame have employees who shift blame. Talk to your employees about accountability today.


Aaaaaaaaand, scene!

...and from that I can guess that you are somewhere between 38 and 44 years of age.

A smidge younger, but yeah...close enough to that generation.

Shennanigans. Kevin would have tried to TM multiple words both in verbal speech as well as insisting the TM be added to the script. I'm imagine he employs phonetic trademarking in his everyday speech similar to the system Victory Borge developed for phonetic punctuation (see video below).

Can't see that at work, but I know the set, having seen it before.

But it makes me wonder, does Kev set the prices after having seen Victor's "Inflationary Language" set?

Nothing is out of the realm of possibility with Palladium...except maybe keeping a promise or release date of course. Maybe he does?

lets hear it for the Zentraedi:

What material is that? It looks like it's made out of glitter and glue.

As long as it's not a boy made from glitter, Rick should be safe.

 stanman wrote:
What material is that? It looks like it's made out of glitter and glue.

MLP Robotech Crossover? The ultimate 1980's heresy! LOL, if it's sugar and glue then it might actually be edible and therefore mouthwatering!

Looks good, Rick. Your sculpting is definitely improving since your earliest examples (assuming you sculpted that yourself).


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Merijeek wrote:
As long as it's not a boy made from glitter, Rick should be safe.

It took me about three readings of the post to get that... and I'm embarassed it took so long. I have old posters and a t-shirt with that!

its an older sculpt design, problem is my early work looks better since it was done on a much better program, the recent stuff (most shown first) was done on Tinkercad.

It's funny that Rick is further along on wave two than PB.

@rick you should make a glitterboy mini for yourself and post pictures of it on the PB FB page.

Even better.

Make a 'power armour suit' figure.

And a railgun 'bit'.

Entirely separate.

What people do with them from there is up to them.

And then we can kickstart a campaign to hook people up with them! :-D

It'd be like an irony onion.

Go for it Tricky Ricky.

 Forar wrote:
Even better.

Make a 'power armour suit' figure.

And a railgun 'bit'.

Entirely separate.

What people do with them from there is up to them.

No fair... you're stealing the beloved Palladium RPG rules creation system!

You know what they say! Good artists borrow, great artists something something look I don't have time to go over the particulars just give me (I mean us) a couple hundred grand and let's do this thing!

Hey guys, check out this sick glitter boy(tm) that I got from my Palladium Kickstarter!


Matches the concept art great:


oh wait it's from Infinity and actually is available.

Normally, I'd post a witty comeback along with a pic of the official glitterboy mini but that isn't a fair comparison given the roughly 20 year difference in casting between the two. I did find a link though to the more recent rifts minis offerings that would be a fair comparison to an infinity 2e sculpt.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=130554&view=print

Given the almost 20 years inbetween the original Rifts minis lineup and these in 2012, it's good to see that Palladium went from making one piece awkwardly posed goofy looking 2D miniatures to... well... slightly more detailed one piece awkwardly posed goofy looking 2D miniatures.



Three things....

1) There must be a very high proportion of furries in the Palladium fanbase given that roughly half the new minis were Dog Boys.

2) The original minis were slightly below average for their time in the early 90's. Palladium then spent the next 20 years to come out in 2012 with minis that would be slightly below average for the late 1990's. Progress, Palladium Style. I anxiously await what they do on their own without Ninja Division's help with the "reboot" of Robotech next year.

3) I can't stop thinking that first one is a horse boy instead.

They are also priced accordingly....$6 for a meh mini.

I actually have a couple of their minis from the 90's. There was a game store that had a display of painted figures, and some of their Rifts ones were pretty cheap. Can't recall if there was a sale or something, but I snagged a CS officer and a Headhunter or something like that. The paint job wasn't exactly stellar (nor would I expect it to be for what I was paying), but it was better than I was going to do.

Used them for a couple of years in our weekly'ish Rifts games. Still have them tucked away somewhere.

 Mike1975 wrote:
They are also priced accordingly....$6 for a meh mini.

Admittedly they are priced like late 1990's mediocre minis. Unfortunately, once you factor in Palladium's overpriced shipping charges you end up paying more than they're worth (unless they've changed their shipping prices to something reasonable since I last checked which was admittedly a year or two ago).

Nope. Their shipping is still overpriced.

How can minis with that level of detail have only one piece?

Certainly there should be at least six to ten pieces?

Hmmm, glitter boys, shiney metal miniatures, I wonder if this is why Kevin also said he was disappointed with the wave results, they aren't shiney?

Whelp, there's another release of the Weekly Megaversal Propaganda.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™

Things are moving on Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two (we actually had two conference calls yesterday to discuss it), but for a variety of business reasons we can not yet discuss or reveal exactly what we are looking into and considering. For one, if some of the things we are considering don’t pan out, we don’t want you to be disappointed. And it seems like every little while, things we were considering doing, get changed for one reason or another.

I can tell you, we want to make sure the rest of the Kickstarter items and future Robotech® RPG Tactics™ items are something special and the best product it can be, especially after the long delays in getting Wave Two into your hands. Please know that we are exploring many different possibilities, and until we nail down the final details, we just cannot talk about what were looking into. But we are exploring many things we know you will enjoy. This includes a number of ideas for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ next year when Wave Two comes out. Stay frosty. You are far from forgotten.

To break it down;

"Things are moving" - [Citation Needed]

"we are totally progressing but can't say or show any evidence to that end, please just give us the benefit of the doubt that we so very much don't deserve"

"omg plans change" - Cool story, bro. Forget your lofty plans. Nobody cares about the bullgak that Wayne and Alex are totally slobbering over (the harshest criticism yet!). Figures. You owe them. Make that gak happen.

"We totes want to deliver, but it has to be the bestest best bettererer than best evar!" - For feths sake, no. Pointing out that people have been waiting does not, in fact, make it heartening to hear that there's more delays. 7 months lined up and let's be real, Black Friday/end of year 2016 are vastly more likely. So that blunting of bad news is... just hiding more bad news.

"We're exploring! Explorers!" - No. You're not. They're fething minis, you're not discovering a new element. Either you have new sprue breakdowns to show, or you don't. Either there's prototypes being printed off and assembled for test fits, or there aren't. Either dozens of molds are being produced, or they're not. Time to gak or get off the pot.

Oh well, in a matter of weeks we've gone from "Q2 2016" to "Q2 2016 would be ideal!" to "when the game relaunches next year (2016)"!

Really giving up ground on that one. In 2 weeks they've tacked on two more quarters. I, for one, am feeling reassured as to their ongoing commitment to making progress and keeping us informed!