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Seems kevin wax on and on poetically but can't be bothered to tells us anything.

My reaction went: "Da feth?"

Basically nobody in the license chain is even interested, are they?

evilsmurf wrote:
Im sure one of their volunteers or staff before complained about how hard it was to get any prizes out of Kevin. And knowing what Kevin is like Im more inclined to believe that he made the whole thing up in anticipation of something he was going to do, then never got around to it.

Much like when he plans what books he'll release each year. 'Absolutely Ill get Mechanoids out this year'.

Actually, I am one of the guys that vet the events that get prize support, or "swag", and Kevin is very, very generous in sending out Swag to promote real games.
He may have faults, but supporting people promoting his games are not one of them! I have not had any complaints of not enough swag from anyone that got sent it in the last few years.


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Asterios wrote:
does anybody else feel like the reason the crowd is so very little or very thin is they only allowed those would not say anything negative about HG and their license holders during the interview? that whole session felt rehearsed.

Long Beach Comic Expo is a very small event.
I almost spit out my beverage when he said Kevin "is very self aware of their release schedule".

zyanitevp wrote:

evilsmurf wrote:
Im sure one of their volunteers or staff before complained about how hard it was to get any prizes out of Kevin. And knowing what Kevin is like Im more inclined to believe that he made the whole thing up in anticipation of something he was going to do, then never got around to it.

Much like when he plans what books he'll release each year. 'Absolutely Ill get Mechanoids out this year'.

Actually, I am one of the guys that vet the events that get prize support, or "swag", and Kevin is very, very generous in sending out Swag to promote real games.
He may have faults, but supporting people promoting his games are not one of them! I have not had any complaints of not enough swag from anyone that got sent it in the last few years.


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Asterios wrote:
does anybody else feel like the reason the crowd is so very little or very thin is they only allowed those would not say anything negative about HG and their license holders during the interview? that whole session felt rehearsed.

Long Beach Comic Expo is a very small event.
I almost spit out my beverage when he said Kevin "is very self aware of their release schedule".

Actually that expo has a rather fair showing of all 50 slots being filled, this way all can attend all things in the show, and yet only 3 (was there more?) showed up for Tommy Yune's speech., also why did Kevin mention 76 participants at an even that never took place and no one ever showed up to? did he lie? also why have other MA's and those still in good standing have stated that the lack of prize support is what is hurting the MA program ?

but back to my other question what happened with Orccon ? did he lie to us? or did someone fail to properly vet an event? since that would be you, that would mean one of you are at fault so is it you or Kevin ?

zyanitevp wrote:


Actually, I am one of the guys that vet the events that get prize support, or "swag", and Kevin is very, very generous in sending out Swag to promote real games.
He may have faults, but supporting people promoting his games are not one of them! I have not had any complaints of not enough swag from anyone that got sent it in the last few years.

Well, that leads to an obvious question - are you aware if there was there any prize support/"swag" sent to Stratgicon for the game that did not materialize? I'm trying to get a sense if Kevin thinks the events mentioned are the real deal (and what proof they're thusly going off) or if he's just making a checklist of Cons and "yep, we can say there'll be games there" (which, with listing Coastcon, I am inclined to believe the latter).

I would suspect "someone" told Kevin a "bunch" of people were going to the convention but the numbers may have been conjecture estimating from what he was told.
If what was presented was not completely truthful (to Kevin), it could very well be the result we had of no games and scratching our heads on why the statement was made at all.
I would claim many things of Kevin but a full fabrication/lie without some kernel of truth to it I would not expect (he is too fearful of being caught for that).

 Talizvar wrote:
I would suspect "someone" told Kevin a "bunch" of people were going to the convention but the numbers may have been conjecture estimating from what he was told.
If what was presented was not completely truthful, it could very well be the result we had of no games and scratching our heads on why the statement was made at all.
I would claim many things of Kevin but a full fabrication/lie without some kernel of truth to it I would not expect (he is too fearful of being caught for that).

well that is the thing if we have a large event like that there should be prize support, so that would entail zyanitevp vetting the even to make sure it existed to have prize support sent, so either zyanitevp lied to Kevin or is lying to us, or Kevin lied to us, so i'm curious which is it? and wanted the response from zyanitevp himself.

A) Zzyanitevp said he is *one of* the people who vets prize support.

B) I don't think it's come up here, but he has also said that he was undergoing surgery around that time frame, hence finding out about this after the fact.

C) Welcome to Dakka, zyanitevp. Interesting to see the cross pollination between the forums growing.

 Forar wrote:
A) Zzyanitevp said he is *one of* the people who vets prize support.

B) I don't think it's come up here, but he has also said that he was undergoing surgery around that time frame, hence finding out about this after the fact.

C) Welcome to Dakka, zyanitevp. Interesting to see the cross pollination between the forums growing.

A: yet if the event was happening in his own backyard you would assume he would be the one vetting it?
B: yet someone who knew nothing of what was going on in his own backyard? so odds are Kevin was lying? so that brings up the question of why ? why did Kevin Lie about some big event involving his company in a most public statement?

Apparently you missed the quoted post last page. Let me post it again:

"So, I was surprised to hear that there was going to be a tournament in my backyard, without any involvement from myself, but I figured that PB knew I was having surgery on the 16th, and knew I could not attend OrcCon that weekend.
I did reach out to a couple of friends that went, and just read their email- not one RRT event, not one game seen.
When I am well enough to talk again I will try to find out what happened, but this was inexcusable to me.

As far as MA's and organized play, the biggest stumbling block was getting approval- I turned it over to Jake, another coordinator, a while back."

It seems to me that this whole convention mixup was probably a miscommunication. To me, there are things to nail PB on regarding this project and a convention tournament that didn't materialize is not one of them. It is getting back to the Rick days of attacking them for every little thing, seeing malicious intent where there is only ineptness and losing focus on what matters.

Speaking of Rick, why see a conspiracy for every little thng?
I can't imagine that the Robotech panel at any anime convention has a large attendance.
The demographic for Robotech fans is late thirties to early fifties -- not the target group for anime conventions. It's going to be thin on the ground there to start. Not every fan our age spends lots of time on forums or keeping up with the details of Robotech. You would think that someone would ask them where Shadow Chronicles' sequels are or why they can't be bothered to do anything with the property or why is Kevin not getting wave 2 out. But most of them are unaware or don't care or don't want to be rude.

 Forar wrote:
Apparently you missed the quoted post last page. Let me post it again:

"So, I was surprised to hear that there was going to be a tournament in my backyard, without any involvement from myself, but I figured that PB knew I was having surgery on the 16th, and knew I could not attend OrcCon that weekend.
I did reach out to a couple of friends that went, and just read their email- not one RRT event, not one game seen.
When I am well enough to talk again I will try to find out what happened, but this was inexcusable to me.

As far as MA's and organized play, the biggest stumbling block was getting approval- I turned it over to Jake, another coordinator, a while back."

and I repeat in his statement he stated PB always sent good prize support which goes against anything and everything said and being said by past and current MA's and attendees, furthermore if something involved my job was going on in my backyard I would know about it, so that would indicate it was not happening so one would construe that Kevin made a very public lie about an event involving his product, so it would beg one to wonder why ?

 n815e wrote:
It seems to me that this whole convention mixup was probably a miscommunication. To me, there are things to nail PB on regarding this project and a convention tournament that didn't materialize is not one of them. It is getting back to the Rick days of attacking them for every little thing, seeing malicious intent where there is only ineptness and losing focus on what matters.

Speaking of Rick, why see a conspiracy for every little thng?
I can't imagine that the Robotech panel at any anime convention has a large attendance.
The demographic for Robotech fans is late thirties to early fifties -- not the target group for anime conventions. It's going to be thin on the ground there to start. Not every fan our age spends lots of time on forums or keeping up with the details of Robotech. You would think that someone would ask them where Shadow Chronicles' sequels are or why they can't be bothered to do anything with the property or why is Kevin not getting wave 2 out. But most of them are unaware or don't care or don't want to be rude.

not conspiracy especially when you consider that those who play along get free goodies at end of thing.

Rick, please back down, no reason to be so hostile. Even if prize support was given out, I can't see that as anything more than a positive - it'll go to *someone* who will use it (cuz they ain't reselling it on e-bay )

But I do believe we would all like to know if someone did vet the event to ensure it was being run (some sort of paperwork), or if someone just casually mentioned it Kevin or even if it was some desperation to make it look like the game wasn't dead. I'd also be curious what sort of prize support would have potentially gone out, as I didn't think PB did do prize support, from past talk about MA's having to supply all their own stuff.

For OrcCon/Stratigicon, it looks like someone *planned* to have an event, but because of circumstances it fell through. It'd be interesting to know what proof of life there is behind the others.

If the Coastcon one is for real, I'd like to drop by, maybe even get a game in with someone, as up until that announcement, I wasn't aware anyone else in the state was a backer besides me. At this time, nobody else in my area will even touch it or is interested in it.

 Stormonu wrote:
Rick, please back down, no reason to be so hostile. Even if prize support was given out, I can't see that as anything more than a positive - it'll go to *someone* who will use it (cuz they ain't reselling it on e-bay )

But I do believe we would all like to know if someone did vet the event to ensure it was being run (some sort of paperwork), or if someone just casually mentioned it Kevin or even if it was some desperation to make it look like the game wasn't dead. I'd also be curious what sort of prize support would have potentially gone out, as I didn't think PB did do prize support, from past talk about MA's having to supply all their own stuff.

For OrcCon/Stratigicon, it looks like someone *planned* to have an event, but because of circumstances it fell through. It'd be interesting to know what proof of life there is behind the others.

If the Coastcon one is for real, I'd like to drop by, maybe even get a game in with someone, as up until that announcement, I wasn't aware anyone else in the state was a backer besides me. At this time, nobody else in my area will even touch it or is interested in it.

oh I don't think any prize support was sent out, and don't think any of the MA's or such knew about such an event other then what Kevin wrote, maybe he thought it would attract others to show up and get games started from thin air.

my Point is why did Kevin so Publicly lie about something that could have been verified?

 warboss wrote:
This popped up on my youtube feed this weekend along with the part II. The RPG and tactics stuff is about 5 minutes in.




Good news! Tommy Yune says Palladium is communicating alot better with customers! It's too bad that no one told us backers; that meaningful communication must has some sort of stealth field engaged for the past year. I'm not sure if that is just spin to present this POS situation in some fake better light or, less likely, he is somehow completely oblivious of the real state of this project. I was a bit disappointed that no one took his to task about that comment in the Q&A but it seemed like the few folks there (lots of empty seats/rows in the videos) were only interested in the live action movie. The presentation in the second video is about half devoted to talking about deceased folks that worked on the franchicise; the franchise is old and stale enough that the obituaries constitute a significant part of the updates.

At this point isn't Yune's job the same as Simbieda's - to milk a zombie IP for as long as possible to avoid getting a real job?

I actually find the Con thing quite funny - it seems to be the case of Kevin opening his mouth before doing any fact checking, as seems to be his operating mode. Who wiill he throw under the bus this time for the fiasco I wonder?

 Stormonu wrote:
I actually find the Con thing quite funny - it seems to be the case of Kevin opening his mouth before doing any fact checking, as seems to be his operating mode. Who wiill he throw under the bus this time for the fiasco I wonder?

oh you know hes gonna toss someone under that bus.

I gotta agree with the posts above. Rick, your tin foil hat is on too tight. How would HG discriminate against unhappy fans of Robotech? Facial recognition software looking for scowls? TSA xray machines that measure the volume of your wallet looking for the missing $140-500 spent on undelivered RRPGT rewards? A poster of Kevin Siembieda holding Wave 1 boxes that is actually a trap and if you spit on it or try to burn the effigy then you're excluded? Sorry but the robotech fan base, like the staff assigned to it, is growing old and even dying and nothing concrete that is new and exciting is being added to the IP. I'm disappointed that no one other than a mild joke about delays took HG to task about the (at best) blatant inaccuracies to (at worst) lies being told about the RPG products and spin of Tactics vapor-rewards... but that doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy at the door of the room involving the con organizers since they would control security. It's HG during covering their own asses and the asses of one of their most loyal licensors during a panel Q&A at a small con that they go to because it's local to them, not because it's important like SDCC.

As for Zzyan somehow being a part of the great conspiracy when he has said he wasn't involved and has expressed his disappointment with Palladium both here on an open forum as well as in their own walled garden of bliss, I don't think it's fair for you to lump him into it all. He's an MA and it's likely at times he probably has defended the indefensible (it's probably in their terms and conditions! Lol) but I don't see that at all with the current situation.

 warboss wrote:
I gotta agree with the posts above. Rick, your tin foil hat is on too tight. How would HG discriminate against unhappy fans of Robotech? Facial recognition software looking for scowls? TSA xray machines that measure the volume of your wallet looking for the missing $140-500 spent on undelivered RRPGT rewards? A poster of Kevin Siembieda holding Wave 1 boxes that is actually a trap and if you spit on it or try to burn the effigy then you're excluded? Sorry but the robotech fan base, like the staff assigned to it, is growing old and even dying and nothing concrete that is new and exciting is being added to the IP. I'm disappointed that no one other than a mild joke about delays took HG to task about the (at best) blatant inaccuracies to (at worst) lies being told about the RPG products and spin of Tactics vapor-rewards... but that doesn't mean that there is a conspiracy at the door of the room involving the con organizers since they would control security. It's HG during covering their own asses and the asses of one of their most loyal licensors during a panel Q&A at a small con that they go to because it's local to them, not because it's important like SDCC.

As for Zzyan somehow being a part of the great conspiracy when he has said he wasn't involved and has expressed his disappointment with Palladium both here on an open forum as well as in their own walled garden of bliss, I don't think it's fair for you to lump him into it all. He's an MA and it's likely at times he probably has defended the indefensible (it's probably in their terms and conditions! Lol) but I don't see that at all with the current situation.

oh HG discriminates by giving gifts to those who ask nice questions

never said zzyan was part of the conspiracy was trying to get a higher up MA to agree that Kevin lied.

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Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I actually find the Con thing quite funny - it seems to be the case of Kevin opening his mouth before doing any fact checking, as seems to be his operating mode. Who wiill he throw under the bus this time for the fiasco I wonder?

oh you know hes gonna toss someone under that bus.

Well, that or the very idea will get Chuck Cunningham'd.

 Stormonu wrote:
I actually find the Con thing quite funny - it seems to be the case of Kevin opening his mouth before doing any fact checking, as seems to be his operating mode. Who wiill he throw under the bus this time for the fiasco I wonder?

I'd say the severity of the difference between the reality of the situation (ZERO attendees, no preparation/organization for the event this year, was there anything at all last year?) and his fantasy (the BIGGEST EVAR!! robotech tourney and HUUUGE!! 1,000pt tournies last year!) indicates more than just fact checking. It's a complete lack of fact checking side by side with Carnival barker style exaggerations (i.e. step right up, step right up, to see the most stupendous, superlificous, amaaaaaazing game of the century!) that Kevin is known for. I can't see how such a giant rift (pun intended) between reality and fantasy could exist due to just a simple miscommunication as spun on the official forums by a white knight or just a lack of fact checking as you're offering. It's just too much and follows previous missteps too closely.

Merijeek wrote:
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Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I actually find the Con thing quite funny - it seems to be the case of Kevin opening his mouth before doing any fact checking, as seems to be his operating mode. Who wiill he throw under the bus this time for the fiasco I wonder?

oh you know hes gonna toss someone under that bus.

Well, that or the very idea will get Chuck Cunningham'd.

are you saying Jeff was Chuck Cunningham'd ?

I will vouch for zyan in regards to his own experience and sincerity so lets cut the guy some slack since he just had some serious surgery. If he says he is unhappy woth this mess and is going to tey and find out what he can then i believe him and will leave it at that.

jaymz wrote:
I will vouch for zyan in regards to his own experience and sincerity so lets cut the guy some slack since he just had some serious surgery. If he says he is unhappy woth this mess and is going to tey and find out what he can then i believe him and will leave it at that.

jaymz nothing against zyan, it was all about getting him to admit Kevin lied and lied spectacularly also Jaymz who do you think Kevin is going to throw under the bus for his lie ?

Merijeek wrote:

Well, that or the very idea will get Chuck Cunningham'd.

Or maybe Dave GamersonGames'ed if Kevin goes with the amnestic disassociative state angle to explain why what he advertised had no basis in what actually was going to happen.

He cant admit something when he knows nothing about the event in question rick. Thats the point.

As for who. Does it matter at this point? Whether he lied or spouted off wantonly about something he had no facts on, the fact is it makes him and the company look spectacularly inept, incompetent, and clueless.

Which for me is excellent to see.

 Talizvar wrote:
I would suspect "someone" told Kevin a "bunch" of people were going to the convention but the numbers may have been conjecture estimating from what he was told.

Well, we do know for a fact that Palladium's allowable margin of error regarding complex things like numbers and dates is over 98%. See RRPGT, almost every RPG book release for decades, and now this convention's reported statistics.

jaymz wrote:
He cant admit something when he knows nothing about the event in question rick. Thats the point.

As for who. Does it matter at this point? Whether he lied or spouted off wantonly about something he had no facts on, the fact is it makes him and the company look spectacularly inept, incompetent, and clueless.

Which for me is excellent to see.

considering the event took place in his own backyard and he knew nothing about it and even stated he was surprised he knew nothing about it, indicates there was no truth in Kevin's words, and considering I highly doubt Kevin will ever give him a response and later down the road Zyan will just turn into another one of those traitorous backstabbing MA's who didn't breath in Kevin's farts long enough to become a true believer in all of Kevin's lies.

and yes it does matter, why Kevin lied at this point about this incident since there is more here then can be said. but later down the line you will look back on this and say I should have seen it coming.

Instead of hinting rick, share with the class or shut the hell up.

jaymz wrote:
Instead of hinting rick, share with the class or shut the hell up.

can't and i'm sure you know why the hell not Jaymz.