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No i dont rick because all ypu ever do is hint at this and hint at that with vague reasons of "you can't" if you cant then shut up.

jaymz wrote:
No i dont rick because all ypu ever do is hint at this and hint at that with vague reasons of "you can't" if you cant then shut up.

say what you will suck up. but then again maybe if you listened to Kevin more closely you would have seen a pattern forming, but hard to listen when your head was so far up his rear wasn't it ?

Rick, I've listened to everything you've had to say. Much of it is valid. Much of it is fear mongering. But you've devolved into petty name calling and I would like it if you would shut the frell up or share with the class what you know.

There comes a point where every revolutionary chooses to support the revolution or tries to take leadership. You're yelling too loud to be a mere foot-soldier.

darkminstrel wrote:
Rick, I've listened to everything you've had to say. Much of it is valid. Much of it is fear mongering. But you've devolved into petty name calling and I would like it if you would shut the frell up or share with the class what you know.

There comes a point where every revolutionary chooses to support the revolution or tries to take leadership. You're yelling too loud to be a mere foot-soldier.

oh don't get me wrong i'm in the back seat on this one, or merely an observer and try to steer or point out certain things when and where I can.

darkminstrel wrote:
Rick, I've listened to everything you've had to say. Much of it is valid. Much of it is fear mongering. But you've devolved into petty name calling and I would like it if you would shut the frell up or share with the class what you know.

There comes a point where every revolutionary chooses to support the revolution or tries to take leadership. You're yelling too loud to be a mere foot-soldier.

Supposedly he's limited by whatever lawsuit results he had. If that is so I would really question even talking about RRT on a public forum in any capacity.

 Mike1975 wrote:

darkminstrel wrote:
Rick, I've listened to everything you've had to say. Much of it is valid. Much of it is fear mongering. But you've devolved into petty name calling and I would like it if you would shut the frell up or share with the class what you know.

There comes a point where every revolutionary chooses to support the revolution or tries to take leadership. You're yelling too loud to be a mere foot-soldier.

Supposedly he's limited by whatever lawsuit results he had. If that is so I would really question even talking about RRT on a public forum in any capacity.

Let's not start up that unfounded rumor again in 2016 especially since Rick has been holding up his end of the put up or shut up bargain. Lets leave the imminent and utter legal destruction of Palladium as a thing we shared in prior years just like hope of wave two delivery.

Asterios wrote:
oh don't get me wrong i'm in the back seat on this one, or merely an observer and try to steer or point out certain things when and where I can.

I would say that if you are unwilling or unable to speak clearly it is best to move-on to topics where you can.
The vague hints are irritating to others.
I appreciate how much you had been vocal about this raw deal we have with wave 2 but hints without confirmation are pretty useless to me (or anyone else).
You are acting like the kid who bought someone a gift and just cannot help dropping hints... show some self control.

Heh. I remember some extensive discussion about how obnoxious it was when people would go to PB's offices and get to see things. They were sworn to secrecy on the details, but oooh, they were just bubbling over to talk about not being able to talk about the things they probably shouldn't even be mentioning knowing of or seeing!

... so here we are, Rick. You've become one of 'them'. It was annoying when people did it in support of the splendorous art/titles/models/whatever they saw, and it's annoying now.

I guess this at least indicates that he isn't under an actual NDA or other compelling legal gag order, because have actual MA's and Forum Admin from PB in here (along with WRRD and who knows who else),and it wouldn't shock me if others perused by or were at least kept aware of the chatter.

Because otherwise, it looks an awful lot like tiptoeing towards a line that one isn't supposed to cross (if there were an actionable piece of contract or other litigation backing it up). If that's not there, speak up. If it is, or you just don't feel like sharing with the class, then kindly drop it.

As for 'getting an admission of a lie', for feth's sake, this is getting out of hand. Kindly stop demanding things of people they have said repeatedly they knew nothing about.

Just because it's a reasonable SOP to read between the lines on PB's paper thin reassurances doesn't mean that everything Z or Jeffar or whomever says here needs to get put through an interrogation.

We've been called the most negative thread on Dakka, and isn't not undeserved, but this is getting a bit far out there even for us.

Just chill.

Well, at least we got a couple months of quiet on the Legal Ricknami.

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Morgan and I were joking about how many pages PB has used on updates and still managed to say nothing of value to the backers, so I got curious.

According to Google Docs, if you include titles and bodies of text (but not signatures), the 17 updates since we last got info nearly a year ago, if copied to said document, occupy 68 pages of space (12 point font, larger for titles and subtitles), consist of 20,994 words (this includes copy/paste like the conventional forces descriptions and giant lists like what is contained in the tiers, but if they're going to fill space with that crap, I'm happy to include it), and consists of 118,214 characters (97,859 characters excluding spaces).

To tell us nothing. Literally, in the year(ish) since we last saw Proof of Life for wave 2.

Perhaps we should we compile this and submit it to the Hugos?

It's definitely a work of fiction!

 Forar wrote:
Morgan and I were joking about how many pages PB has used on updates and still managed to say nothing of value to the backers, so I got curious.

According to Google Docs, if you include titles and bodies of text (but not signatures), the 17 updates since we last got info nearly a year ago, if copied to said document, occupy 68 pages of space (12 point font, larger for titles and subtitles), consist of 20,994 words (this includes copy/paste like the conventional forces descriptions and giant lists like what is contained in the tiers, but if they're going to fill space with that crap, I'm happy to include it), and consists of 118,214 characters (97,859 characters excluding spaces).

To tell us nothing. Literally, in the year(ish) since we last saw Proof of Life for wave 2.

Perhaps we should we compile this and submit it to the Hugos?

It's definitely a work of fiction!

Funny enough, if you get rid of the fluff for Nodal Wars, they wrote more on having zero progress than I've written in less time on an entire new system. SMH

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Morgan and I were joking about how many pages PB has used on updates and still managed to say nothing of value to the backers, so I got curious.

According to Google Docs, if you include titles and bodies of text (but not signatures), the 17 updates since we last got info nearly a year ago, if copied to said document, occupy 68 pages of space (12 point font, larger for titles and subtitles), consist of 20,994 words (this includes copy/paste like the conventional forces descriptions and giant lists like what is contained in the tiers, but if they're going to fill space with that crap, I'm happy to include it), and consists of 118,214 characters (97,859 characters excluding spaces).

To tell us nothing. Literally, in the year(ish) since we last saw Proof of Life for wave 2.

Perhaps we should we compile this and submit it to the Hugos?

It's definitely a work of fiction!

Funny enough, if you get rid of the fluff for Nodal Wars, they wrote more on having zero progress than I've written in less time on an entire new system. SMH

To add to that, I think Rick's drafted, printed and played with his own copies of Wave 2 - and moved on to other generations in the time they've wasted telling us they're doing nothing. The Palladium ability to dither is unsurpassed!

A human being can be conceived, develop, be born, and taught the ability to independently locomote and communicate in the time Palladium has fully developed nothing with regards to ANY wave 2 rewards since funding.

 warboss wrote:
A human being can be conceived, develop, born, and be taught the ability to independently locomote and communicate in the time Palladium has fully developed nothing with regards to ANY wave 2 rewards since funding.

I can attest to that, yes.

 warboss wrote:
A human being can be conceived, develop, born, and be taught the ability to independently locomote and communicate in the time Palladium has fully developed nothing with regards to ANY wave 2 rewards since funding.

And if we're talking about realistic completion (rather than starting progress), you can probably add "complete elementary school, graduate, earn a degree, get married, have children, grow old, and die of natural causes" to that list.

But they'll tell backers what's happening, when everything's ironed out, and there are no possible complications that could make it a "negative experience". Only good news from Kevin "Upbeat" Siembeda.

So I guess if I call PB to update my address since I moved for the off-chance of receiving wave2 it will be a rather awkward moment?
"Yes sir, we will update your <giggle> address for when <snicker> we ship... wave 2 to you <coughs and covers phone, hysterical joker-like laughter then a hang-up>"

I have it on good authority (lots of practice) that one can make a jerking-off motion on the phone without the party on the other end noticing.

(Not recommended during video chats)

Merijeek wrote:
I have it on good authority (lots of practice) that one can make a jerking-off motion on the phone without the party on the other end noticing.

(Not recommended during video chats)

I'm just going to say I would absolutely put money on Palladium staff not being able do to things at once.

WIP

Joyboozer wrote:

Merijeek wrote:
I have it on good authority (lots of practice) that one can make a jerking-off motion on the phone without the party on the other end noticing.

(Not recommended during video chats)

I'm just going to say I would absolutely put money on Palladium staff not being able do to things at once.

So we need to listen out for their voice getting louder then softer in a rhythmic manner, then

Guys...let's be fair here.

They would not make such mocking gestures and overtones to their customers as that would require them to live in this reality to realize that something is wrong. In Palladia, everything is happy fluffy bunnies and unicorns and rainbows that flow directly from KS. They would note down your information diligently, advising you how good it was you updated it now so that you didn't miss out on your rewards when Wave 2 starts shipping really, really soon. Like, this is probably as late as you could have updated it as it's going out so soon.

The gestures at this point would be local to the caller's phone I believe...

Or in my case, inside it. When I hear information like that, the mocking laugh of "Carry On" star Sid James comes to mind.

Guys, we need to not get confused with the KS comments page vs. here.
Alpharius has a duty to ensure we keep it to PG-13 or better... plus you are tempting me too much to fall on the wrong side of that.
Plus now I REALLY do not want to call PB for the update of address: I would not be able to keep a straight face or tone.

Found this cute little article about how some kickstarters that rather than fail, just never end or fade away:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/the-ugly-afterlife-of-crowdfunding-projects-that-never-ship-and-never-end/

 Talizvar wrote:

Found this cute little article about how some kickstarters that rather than fail, just never end or fade away:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/the-ugly-afterlife-of-crowdfunding-projects-that-never-ship-and-never-end/

Thanks for the link. Yeah, Palladium is probably praying that everyone just slowly forgets about the project while they keep slowly draining the funds left for ongoing expenses until nothing is left. We're a few days away from a full year without any real updates; a full year of only filler "updates" with vague promises and a complete lack of any real details or god forbid actual proof of life along with a healthy dose of sales pitches for other stuff until folks complained to kickstarter.

Someone on the comments page posted a link to PB's site where the notification of the Wave 1/2 split occured. Interestingly, the reason behind it was that Wave 1 could be released "in spring" and then Wave 2 "in the fall", or about 6 months apart.

I REALLY find it suspicious that a whole year has now passed since Wave 1 came out (I think its now closer to 18 months?). With the utter silence on Wave 2 it just keeps pointing that something has gone so horribly wrong - not just general PB laziness and foot-dragging, but that this thing is dead in the water for other reasons (finances?) and we will never see it.

Course, I think I've been saying that for the past 6 months, but this find just seems to throw more credence to the "There will be no Wave 2, ever".

Jaymz has already confirmed PB is out of money.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Jaymz has already confirmed PB is out of money.

But while Jaymz seems like a reasonable guy, and I don't have any reason to doubt him, it's hardly "confirmation". Especially as the source he's heard it from hasn't been revealed (and shouldn't, at least not by Jaymz, without the source's permission.

You can assign credibility there, and I give it more than I give a lot of other claims, both for and against. But it's not PROOF.

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Cypher-xv wrote:
Jaymz has already confirmed PB is out of money.

But while Jaymz seems like a reasonable guy, and I don't have any reason to doubt him, it's hardly "confirmation". Especially as the source he's heard it from hasn't been revealed (and shouldn't, at least not by Jaymz, without the source's permission.

You can assign credibility there, and I give it more than I give a lot of other claims, both for and against. But it's not PROOF.

True.

Of course, what Jaymz has had to say is the only thing that fits observable fact.