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I'm pretty sure Palladium would find a way to include their mistakes as a gift inside someone's Christmas grab bag rather than be buried with them.

Today I came to a determination;

I quit. Even though I love the Robotech franchise I just can't deal with this travesty any longer. I'm going to keep a few of the models to make some dioramas, but I'll sell of the rest. Time to cut my losses and release the stress that is this crap.

I wish you all good luck and hope you get what you're owed. For giggles I'm including the message I sent to PB via the Kickstarter page.

To all involved in the RRT project,

You win.

I give up. I'm selling off the portion of my pledge I received and I'm going to stop monitoring the kickstarter. You have destroyed my love of Robotech with this project and I'm too tired to keep going. If you ever do produce Wave 2 I'd like for it to be delivered, laterally, into Kevin S's sphincter, sans lubrication, so that perhaps he might get a tiny taste of what he's put the backers of this project through. I don't actually have an address for that, but I'm certain you can work it out. Given the way this project has progressed you might need to hire a project manager for that, however.

In summation; feth you guys, all you've created with this project is a steaming pile of rage on top of a steaming pile of offal.

Yours with love,
M. C.

I'm sorry to hear you finally hit the end of your rope, and worse, that their mismanagement has had such a terrible impact on an IP you have passion for, DM.

I refuse to let their bullgak damage my appreciation for the show and novels, but I can absolutely see where you're coming from.

Damned funny all the same, so even if they don't give a feth, thanks for sharing it.

 darkminstrel wrote:
I quit.

While it's sad to see you done, I can't say I blame you.

Sadly, I think that this is the general response PB are hoping for. That people become so tired of the grind, that they just write it off as a loss. The scale debate numbers, as a percentage of the GenCon debate, showed they're well on their way, as does the lack of commentary both here and on Kickstarter Comments. Since the bannings on their FB, it's not even as if the number of positive posts has increased. The PB Forums generate almost zero discussion. BGG generates even less.

It'll be interesting to see if they follow through on their latest promises for next week, or if that too will be another fizzled meh that breeds the apathy that they seem to want.

 darkminstrel wrote:
Today I came to a determination;

I quit.

Same sentiments: sorry to hear, wish you the best, did you / could you file with FTC and the AG?

Looking around, I am seeing much less said about this game, it does appear to be dying rapidly.

Just keep an eye out if these guys try another crowd fund scheme and back the $1 (grudgingly) to offer the cautionary tale.

Good luck!

 Talizvar wrote:

 darkminstrel wrote:
Today I came to a determination;

I quit.

Same sentiments: sorry to hear, wish you the best, did you / could you file with FTC and the AG?

I believe darkminstrel is "stagnant life" over on the KSC, based on their most recent posts here and there. And as in the KS Update, he's been banging the FTC/AG/BBB drum almost as hard as you have. So I think that it's a given they've already done that.

Morgan Vening wrote:
I believe darkminstrel is "stagnant life" over on the KSC, based on their most recent posts here and there. And as in the KS Update, he's been banging the FTC/AG/BBB drum almost as hard as you have. So I think that it's a given they've already done that.

That was clueless on my part... makes sense in hindsight.
Me being all paranoid of not letting them get away without filing got the better of me.
<edit> saying "almost" is very kind... but I think it is untrue, the links posting I feel is a necessity to see any justice come out of this travesty.

I'll save you guys the trouble of opening the update email:

In development. Things are brewing on this front on several different levels. Oh, and please note that we’ll have the SDF-1, the Armored Valkyrie, and all three modes of the YF-4 on display at AdeptiCon. And, of course, we’ll share them online too. The couple of announcements we had secretly hoped to make there will have to wait, as details are yet to be finalized.

So nothing new.

EDIT: To be fair, they are working on a number of other projects. Projects that are more core to their business of RPG, so that is understandable.

Still, it's now end March, any production push would take at least 6 months to realise, so we can kiss 2016 goodbye, I think. Hey ho, 2017.

Presumably, the new versions have reduced the parts count by 10% or so. So it's really our fault, right?

Maybe we should coordinate retirement homes as to improve our chances of still having someone around to play this game with when it finally gets made.

sounds like they are going to show off some of their new Convention exclusive minis they will make available for backers to purchase.

 Talizvar wrote:
Looking around, I am seeing much less said about this game, it does appear to be dying rapidly.

AFAIK, its stone, cold, dead already. I have not heard any positive talk about the game for at least a year. No reviews, no AARs, no painting logs. Nothing but the endless complaints and talk of legal action against PB. Even if by some miracle PB does eventually fulfill their promises and produces a Wave 2, IMO the game will never recover from the death blow dealt by their mismanagement, lies and the bottomless rage they generated towards the game.

 mdauben wrote:
[IMO the game will never recover from the death blow dealt by their mismanagement, lies and the bottomless rage they generated towards the game.

It's really just the lies that killed the game. Fethups, people understand. Constantly lying about fethups creates bottomless rage.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's really just the lies that killed the game. Fethups, people understand. Constantly lying about fethups creates bottomless rage.

Astute observation.
I think I never wished for a group of people to be out of a job before.
Again, it is less about a temper tantrum of not getting my toys... the lies, taking my money, the entitlement, the paternal monologues... gets my dander right up.

face it, what killed this game was how we the backers, who made this game possible were treated by PB mainly Kevin, since nothing is done without his approval, he treated the backers like garbage, like low-lifes, like scum and he did so knowingly. and probably with a smile on his face saying us ingrates should be blessed he even decided to do the game.

Have there been any pictures of this Armoured Valkyrie? This thread has pretty much killed my interest in the Robotech game unless I see it for £30 on eBay but as luck would have it, I find myself in need of an unseen Crusader for Battletech and my understanding is that the Crusader was basically the Armoured Valkyrie..

For those who want some entertainment, Bad Syntax (remember him) stopped by to thread gak over on the comments.

You people just don't understand this latest news is Kevin being magnificent to the peasants!

Anyway a stealth update came in and they posted pics of a more complete SDF-1. So I guess the counter needs to reset?

The SDF-1 look good from far, but far from good. But that's my bias talking. Anyway:



It's not great. But it is something.

Anyhow it turns out PB didn't turn off directory browsing for their public server, so I found these.. I take it these aren't new pics, but anyone seen them before?

Seen the glaug-eldaire (it's a 3D print in several assembled pieces - see the Feb update from last year for the breakdown, it was originally posted Dec of 2013), but I don't remember seeing the female suits.

I'd commend them on the SDF-1, but it's been almost 3 years since this thing was supposedly "98% done". And of course, the shoulder cannons are split right down the middle (and the left one looks warped at that). In the end, this was one piece I didn't put money up for, and I'm glad I didn't - at best it's a desk toy, and not keen about the detail.

I do wonder, however, how tall it is. From the prior update, I guessed as tall as a valk model - this looks, maybe, 5" tall?

 Stormonu wrote:
I do wonder, however, how tall it is. From the prior update, I guessed as tall as a valk model - this looks, maybe, 5" tall?

According to this update, it's "approximately 70-80mm tall and come[s] supplied with a 50mm base."

Didn't we see the PAs before, waaay back when? Also the Glaug Eldare? And where's the Monster that ND was showing?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Didn't we see the PAs before, waaay back when? Also the Glaug Eldare? And where's the Monster that ND was showing?

The FPA's are from Update 125, 26 months ago.

The Glaug Eldare was from Update 122, eleven days earlier, the first time we got an indepth look at a physical item (121 had a low res picture showing a Valk in a battlefoam bag), on literally the last day of the original schedule.

The Monster was shown by Wayne, in typical roundabout fashion, by linking to CritToHit's gallery in Update 136, which will be two years old Tuesday. Because taking your own photos, where you could use lighting, and the like to put the best foot forward, is an alien concept.

Forar wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I do wonder, however, how tall it is. From the prior update, I guessed as tall as a valk model - this looks, maybe, 5" tall?

According to this update, it's "approximately 70-80mm tall and come[s] supplied with a 50mm base."

Damn, I was pretty close with that first guess - sounds about 3" tall. Geez, that thing is tiny if that's the case!

Morgan Vening wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Didn't we see the PAs before, waaay back when? Also the Glaug Eldare? And where's the Monster that ND was showing?

The FPA's are from Update 125, 26 months ago.

The Glaug Eldare was from Update 122, eleven days earlier, the first time we got an indepth look at a physical item (121 had a low res picture showing a Valk in a battlefoam bag), on literally the last day of the original schedule.

The Monster was shown by Wayne, in typical roundabout fashion, by linking to CritToHit's gallery in Update 136, which will be two years old Tuesday. Because taking your own photos, where you could use lighting, and the like to put the best foot forward, is an alien concept.

I notice in the critical hit pictures there's also a Gnerl fighter (prototype). And I know somewhere along the way they've shown the Max in disguise prototype. They had this crap back in March of 2014 and they STILL haven't finished it? Good-freaking-grief.

Thanks, Morgan. I didn't believe Kevco had actually moved the ball forward. But at least we know that ND turned the 3-D prints over.

Wow. The "details" on that SDF-1 are absolutely horrid, for an 80mm mini. Those turrets look like what my nephew does rolling play-doh >_>

I am so glad, that i didn´t have pledged for this one.
It not only looks like a pre 80s toy, it is handsculpted the 80s way.

It just looks crooked and cobbled together.
It is nopthing more than a kitbash, and anyone, that says, that this looks cool and awesome would be just satisfied by anything.

I really hope wave 2 isn´t handsculpted as this piece of sh.t

The problem with this one is not that it's handsculpted. A lot of traditional mini sculptors do really incredible stuff.

It has more to do with the fact that it seems to have been sculpted by a blind monkey, probably going by hearsay.

Well, it kinda fits the source material:

Just squint real hard.

Not to derail the discussion in progress with my extremely-late-to-the-party observations, but I finally got my hands on a RRT Valkyrie (I just needed one for a project) and have been attempting to assemble it. I picked up one of the "con promo" kits Miniatures Market was practically giving away in their last sale (just one sprue with enough parts to make 2 models in one mode and an ad for the game), and holy hell assembly is a nightmare. So many fiddly, tiny pieces that barely fit together.

Please tell me the real kit came with instructions. I'm not exactly inexperienced, but I think I had an easier time putting together my KD Watcher and Lonely Tree without instructions than these.

Also, that SDF-1 looks absolutely hideous, and something tells me it looks even worse from other angles.