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Asterios wrote:
...this isn't the first time or even first month or year PB has told us they are talking to the die cutters, so its amazing how many sheeples believe PB like what they said is new.

I am kinda at the stage to say "does it matter? really?".
Unless the AG and FTC is keeping track of the meaningful updates, it has little relevance.
"Sheeples"? After a couple years wait there is no adequate name for the various stages of denial we are all in.

^^^ Agreed

I'd say we're Micronians, to Palladium we're a tiny inconvenience of little import.

Hi everyone, Jodi for PEG here.

I wanted to clear up a little confusion: Fabled Environments is the name of the company publishing Olympus, Inc. They have a license from Pinnacle to create official licensed material for Savage Worlds. Like all our licensees who request it, we boosted the signal on their crowdfunding project by sharing it on our news page. Fabled Environments has a great history with 3 funded and fulfilled Kickstarters prior to Olympus Inc, so I hope you'll all check it out and consider supporting them.

Here's their Indiegogo page: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/olympus-inc

I also figured I'd give you a headsup on how we're coming with Savage RIFTS®. To sum up what I originally said here in our forums:

Palladium has been great to work with on the RIFTS® for Savage Worlds project. Evil Beagle's pre-existing relationship with them got us off to a great start.

At this point the books are in final editing and layout. The text for the books—the hard part of the approval process—has already been approved.

Based on prior experience we don't anticipate any delays before the books go to press, other than the usual errata we try to catch and fix before the final print versions are done.

This isn't our first rodeo when it comes to licensed products. I encourage new folks to check out our RPGs for The Sixth Gun, Lankhmar, Space 1889, Solomon Kane, and Pirates of the Spanish Main for a "resume" of sorts, and we have licenses for Flash Gordon, The Goon, The Fear Agent, and Motobushido for Savage Worlds, which are in various stages of production. Like Palladium, we own the IP for a large setting (Deadlands), going strong for 20 years, which has been licensed to other companies including Alderac Entertainment Group, Visionary Comics, and <redacted video game and movie and tv producers>.

We can't wait to show you more about Savage RIFTS®--but please try to be patient. Those who back the Kickstarter will have their PDFs by June!

I won't be able to pop into Dakka Dakka often, so if you have any other concerns, feel free to email me at PEGJodi@gmail.com.

 PEG_Jodi wrote:
Hi everyone, Jodi for PEG here.

I wanted to clear up a little confusion: Fabled Environments is the name of the company publishing Olympus, Inc. They have a license from Pinnacle to create official licensed material for Savage Worlds. Like all our licensees who request it, we boosted the signal on their crowdfunding project by sharing it on our news page. Fabled Environments has a great history with 3 funded and fulfilled Kickstarters prior to Olympus Inc, so I hope you'll all check it out and consider supporting them.

Here's their Indiegogo page: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/olympus-inc

I also figured I'd give you a headsup on how we're coming with Savage RIFTS®. To sum up what I originally said here in our forums:

Palladium has been great to work with on the RIFTS® for Savage Worlds project. Evil Beagle's pre-existing relationship with them got us off to a great start.

At this point the books are in final editing and layout. The text for the books—the hard part of the approval process—has already been approved.

Based on prior experience we don't anticipate any delays before the books go to press, other than the usual errata we try to catch and fix before the final print versions are done.

This isn't our first rodeo when it comes to licensed products. I encourage new folks to check out our RPGs for The Sixth Gun, Lankhmar, Space 1889, Solomon Kane, and Pirates of the Spanish Main for a "resume" of sorts, and we have licenses for Flash Gordon, The Goon, The Fear Agent, and Motobushido for Savage Worlds, which are in various stages of production. Like Palladium, we own the IP for a large setting (Deadlands), going strong for 20 years, which has been licensed to other companies including Alderac Entertainment Group, Visionary Comics, and <redacted video game and movie and tv producers>.

We can't wait to show you more about Savage RIFTS®--but please try to be patient. Those who back the Kickstarter will have their PDFs by June!

I won't be able to pop into Dakka Dakka often, so if you have any other concerns, feel free to email me at PEGJodi@gmail.com.

welcome Jodi and wish you luck, but like you said this is not your first rodeo when it comes to licensed products, but this is your first rodeo when it comes to working with Kevin Siembieda and Palladium Books, if ND could talk i'm sure they would not have anything nice to say especially since they cut off any and all connection from PB as soon as they could.

June, huh? Already a six month slip, then.

 PEG_Jodi wrote:
Hi everyone, Jodi for PEG here.

I wanted to clear up a little confusion: Fabled Environments is the name of the company publishing Olympus, Inc. They have a license from Pinnacle to create official licensed material for Savage Worlds. Like all our licensees who request it, we boosted the signal on their crowdfunding project by sharing it on our news page. Fabled Environments has a great history with 3 funded and fulfilled Kickstarters prior to Olympus Inc, so I hope you'll all check it out and consider supporting them.

Here's their Indiegogo page: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/olympus-inc

I also figured I'd give you a headsup on how we're coming with Savage RIFTS®. To sum up what I originally said here in our forums:

Palladium has been great to work with on the RIFTS® for Savage Worlds project. Evil Beagle's pre-existing relationship with them got us off to a great start.

At this point the books are in final editing and layout. The text for the books—the hard part of the approval process—has already been approved.

Based on prior experience we don't anticipate any delays before the books go to press, other than the usual errata we try to catch and fix before the final print versions are done.

This isn't our first rodeo when it comes to licensed products. I encourage new folks to check out our RPGs for The Sixth Gun, Lankhmar, Space 1889, Solomon Kane, and Pirates of the Spanish Main for a "resume" of sorts, and we have licenses for Flash Gordon, The Goon, The Fear Agent, and Motobushido for Savage Worlds, which are in various stages of production. Like Palladium, we own the IP for a large setting (Deadlands), going strong for 20 years, which has been licensed to other companies including Alderac Entertainment Group, Visionary Comics, and <redacted video game and movie and tv producers>.

We can't wait to show you more about Savage RIFTS®--but please try to be patient. Those who back the Kickstarter will have their PDFs by June!

I won't be able to pop into Dakka Dakka often, so if you have any other concerns, feel free to email me at PEGJodi@gmail.com.

Best of luck, but unless I see the words " we understand some of you have misgivings about backing a project involving Palladium Books, but don't worry, there is absolutely, 100% no way they have enough input to cause problems or delays" I'm not backing.

If you just want the books and PDF, there's always retail. Bling might be less expensive and "easier" to get via the KS.

Which companies has Palladium successfully partnered with, anyway? No, Eastman and Laird don't exactly count...!

I'm actually interested in a Savaged Rifts, but seeing as it will be released not too log after the KS anyway, I'll buy the pdf when it's actually out.

KS and anything related with Kevin Siembieda? No, thank you, never again. No matter what is it or who's doing it.

I'm interested in a Savage Rifts, but I just don't trust a Kickstarter that has any involvement with PB at all. Sadly, I'll be waiting for the retail version - here's to hoping it won't be long and wish PEG the best of luck.

 PEG_Jodi wrote:
Hi everyone, Jodi for PEG here.

Spoiler:

I wanted to clear up a little confusion: Fabled Environments is the name of the company publishing Olympus, Inc. They have a license from Pinnacle to create official licensed material for Savage Worlds. Like all our licensees who request it, we boosted the signal on their crowdfunding project by sharing it on our news page. Fabled Environments has a great history with 3 funded and fulfilled Kickstarters prior to Olympus Inc, so I hope you'll all check it out and consider supporting them.

Here's their Indiegogo page: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/olympus-inc

I also figured I'd give you a headsup on how we're coming with Savage RIFTS®. To sum up what I originally said here in our forums:

Palladium has been great to work with on the RIFTS® for Savage Worlds project. Evil Beagle's pre-existing relationship with them got us off to a great start.

At this point the books are in final editing and layout. The text for the books—the hard part of the approval process—has already been approved.

Based on prior experience we don't anticipate any delays before the books go to press, other than the usual errata we try to catch and fix before the final print versions are done.

This isn't our first rodeo when it comes to licensed products. I encourage new folks to check out our RPGs for The Sixth Gun, Lankhmar, Space 1889, Solomon Kane, and Pirates of the Spanish Main for a "resume" of sorts, and we have licenses for Flash Gordon, The Goon, The Fear Agent, and Motobushido for Savage Worlds, which are in various stages of production. Like Palladium, we own the IP for a large setting (Deadlands), going strong for 20 years, which has been licensed to other companies including Alderac Entertainment Group, Visionary Comics, and <redacted video game and movie and tv producers>.

We can't wait to show you more about Savage RIFTS®--but please try to be patient. Those who back the Kickstarter will have their PDFs by June!

I won't be able to pop into Dakka Dakka often, so if you have any other concerns, feel free to email me at PEGJodi@gmail.com.

PEG must have received a heads up about how rrt went down and now she's here to get a reading of what they might be in for next week.

PEG-Jodi good luck with your campaign but as long as PB is involved I won't participate. Kevin likes to blame everyone including his own customers for his failings. If that charlatan didn't owe me miniatures I wouldn't bother with them.

 PEG_Jodi wrote:

Palladium has been great to work with on the RIFTS® for Savage Worlds project. Evil Beagle's pre-existing relationship with them got us off to a great start.

So far.

Based on prior experience we don't anticipate any delays before the books go to press, other than the usual errata we try to catch and fix before the final print versions are done.

Man...this sentence shows a lack of understanding of just what kind of person KS is.

Personally I thonk that launching a KS is all about optimism and being positive and that is obvious from Jodi's message.. Therefore I wish PEG all the luck in their enterprise and just hope they have everything for the initial launch nailed down and signed off by PB - which I really do expect is the case.

I think their problems may come if the KS is successful and they need sign off on new content, that is where Kevin and his obsessive micro management may lead to delays and we know from experience he cannot help himself and has to do it. Then we all also know it will never, never be his fault, when issues and delays arise.

If nothing else it will be a nice diversion from checking on the PB train wreck that is RTT

Yeah, best of luck to PEG, thanks for checking in, but at this point it's on the verge of being academic. Warning them about PB when they've been in touch with PB for, what, a year or more on this, is not going to change active plans.

So the campaign will launch next week and we'll see how it goes, and then they'll either deliver on time (if I might recommend one thing, Jodi, it's a *very* conservative delivery estimate; falling behind on this one will risk being painted with the same brush PB has gotten a shellac'ing with) or not.

I always loved the setting and hated many of the mechanics, so best of luck possibly fixing much of those matters, but if I were to ponder getting in on that it'll probably be at retail.

Perhaps I'll glance at it, back for a buck if the conversation is interesting, but unfortunately the PB taint will keep me from backing substantially.

Yes, the setting made for a good anything goes sandbox.
It would be nice to see a better mechanic make it work.
After our little RRT kickstarter I am ready to condemn by association however.
I wonder what discussions they had around that topic?
Looks like they didn't miss it.

my first in a series that I plan to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR39dO35g7w

I watched Delta ep. 1 the other day. IMO, the "Magical Girl" Sailor Sentai are just too much.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I watched Delta ep. 1 the other day. IMO, the "Magical Girl" Sailor Sentai are just too much.

I mostly agree, so far, even though Macross' tech level would most certainly allow most/all of what's shown with a big enough of a budget. But Walkure left me mostly cold (the final song is at least catchy) and the female MC already annoys me. Worldbuilding looks cool so far, it's nice to see variants of the classic zent mechas, and the second episode warmed me up a tad more to it.

On the one hand, warily optimistic. On the other, I've seen Kawamori's latest attempts at directing.

For me the problem is that the show opens hard with the mech loader, and then goes a full 180 with a magical girl singing team.

Mech-wise, the next-gen VF-1 and Zent stuff looked great. The not-SAAB Drakken does nothing for me - I find it a terrible design. I keep hoping for a Sturmvogel II successor.

Video #2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBaNFzkMHQ

OK, Mike, how does that relate to Robotech / Macross? Maybe move it to Game Design?

So, a game question. Are Zent Artillery critical for a good Zent list at 300 points? How many are too many? What is the optimum load-out for Artillery Pods? Light, heavy, particle Beams? Thoughts?

How about the RDF Destroids the Spartan and the missile pod one?

I only have one box of each and was thinking of picking up some more.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK, Mike, how does that relate to Robotech / Macross? Maybe move it to Game Design?

We are at a bit of a crossroads on what to do with Robotech as a largely unsupported game.
He offers for free, an alternative rule-set if people wish to play outside of a PB sanctioned IP: sounds like a viable "restart" to me.
Those using models as "unseen" for Battletech... as you were.


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 Easy E wrote:
So, a game question. Are Zent Artillery critical for a good Zent list at 300 points? How many are too many? What is the optimum load-out for Artillery Pods? Light, heavy, particle Beams? Thoughts?

I found good utility putting two "normal" missile pods with scout pod groups.
They are more flexible in mid-range combat.

<edit>Sorry, missed the "critical" question: Two artillery groups could be a bit much but would be great for giggles one time...
I like to spam scout groups with the two artillery pods attached, it is a well rounded selection and you can bring some pods back as they do their job shielding them.

I managed recently to have enough together for a proper artillery group, I am still wrapping my brain around the blast weapons but it gets very ugly for clearing cover AND hitting your target.
I do not see much use for particle beams: the extended distance / cost is not all that compelling... I put some together to try however.

Remember though: every pod that is not a normal one (life is cheap) can get you more command points.
Getting a scout pod in the group is huge for helping out your artillery.

I tend to like to play city combat and it is distressing how many buildings go "poof!!!" (3X MD points for those guys or they are useless cover).

How about the RDF Destroids the Spartan and the missile pod one?

I like the Tomahawks for their long range utility (beware the pod kickline!) plus, they look really cool.
I outfit my Spartans with the gun pods for a bit more punch, speaking of that, they give the hurt a bit more to pod kicklines so good for a more "cramped" game (3X MD for buildings or do not bother!).
Oh, the missile pods are just rude, I see them as a must when I get some Gnerls on the table.
Speaking of that, through just bad luck, I had not got to use the "Rifleman / Defender" much so cannot comment on those guys other than they look swell?

I only have one box of each and was thinking of picking up some more.

I personally tried to get everything I could to fill out a squad choice and allow for add-ons.
The missile pod Phalanx I have a 4 man group and an extra two with magnet/swappable missile pods so I can choose either.
The Zent. pods I did 6 normal pods and 2 blast... I will see if I feel I need more.
The Veritechs are really good to have but my goodness the work involved.
Two squadrons of 4 are 24 models.

Anyway, happy to see the interest, I have enjoyed playing, only Palladium Books themselves detract from it.

@Tal - thanks for clarifying. Technically, it should go in Game Design, but if it's the rare post, eh, no biggie.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
@Tal - thanks for clarifying. Technically, it should go in Game Design, but if it's the rare post, eh, no biggie.

I look at it more as a way to try to coerce others into playing a game he likes.
Free samples until he can find out where you live and corner you into a game...

He should be careful about that, or I'll make him playtest KOG light for me.

Yeah, I have a few games he can play test for me too! Us Game design Dregs tend to mob up on a guy like zombies at a science convention.

Thanks for the thoughts on the extra units. I have two starter sets and a box of the Spartans/Phalanx and artillery Pods now. I haven;t even cracked them open to try assembling them yet, mostly because I am still working on my All Quiet on the Martian Front stuff. Apparently I like dead games.

Another Question. Did PD release con specific models of Miriya in female Power Arm,or and the Zent IC in Male Power Armor for the Zents?

 Easy E wrote:
Another Question. Did PD release con specific models of Miriya in female Power Arm,or and the Zent IC in Male Power Armor for the Zents?

They released the female and male power armor as characters, nothing to say they cannot be used as normal troops.
Same with the guardian mode only super Valk.
Some enterprising people made molds of those.
Getting hold of the armored Valk. is proving to be a problem.
A few people are finding ways to complete their collection.

Ok, I've heard this mentioned before and I just want to know if it is what I think it is - but what is a Zhent Kickline and why is it so fearsome?